Posted on 09/14/2001 9:47:12 PM PDT by Naspino
There have been a lot of religious and occult inferences to what is going on -- and for the most part "tin foil hat" responses. However, there could be an undertone to what will soon happen that we -- as Free Republic members -- should keep an eye out for.
If a New World Order could be built, literally a revived Roman Empire, it could not be built during our lifetimes through diplomacy without a massive life-changing, earth-shaking event that demanded its creation. What we could possibly be seeing is the formation of this New World Order.
Just think about these things:
1. For the first time -- in my lifetime and most likely in the last 60 years the partisan rankor in this country has been nearly abolished.
2. To question the congress or the President immediately implies that one is a traitor (rightfully so) because of the need to keep the response to this action moving forward.
3. We are for the first time (both sides) questioning our need to surrender some our freedoms. We are for the first time considering placing troops within our country, in our airports, on our airplanes.
4. We are considering whether to completely close our borders (I don't know how long its been since we've done this).
5. Article 5 has been invoked in NATO.
6. We are forming a coalition of nations outside of NATO, most likely one larger and more resolved than the one Bush Sr. created. The tone to this coalition may very well be "if you are not for freedom -- then you must be against freedom".
7. We are considering weapons of mass destruction (at least many Americans -- maybe not the President).
8. Congressmen are seriously questioning the need for identification technology -- for which we have been fighting against for years (FaceIt, National Ids, bio-implants). Gephardt remarked that most Americans were against this technology, but in light of resent events we may have no choice.
9. The US has stood in the way of many nations attempts to eradicate their Islamic problems (China and Russia most notably) because of "human-rights abuses". Any coalition involving these nations will have to address their needs to eradicate these people -- without those objections.
All of this can very quickly lead to the formation of a larger "entity" that does not necessarily fight for "freedom" but fights against those that are against it -- to begin with Islamic Fundamentalism. While out militaries fight this war we will no doubt see a blank check given to intelligence agencies due to the "shadowy" nature of our enemy. Using the same logic we will likely see the erosion of some of our freedoms through increased security measures to safeguard those freedoms, perhaps initial introduced as temporary measures.
The most notable things we will see will be the increased security at our borders and on our travel -- the level of security will likely exceed that that El Al and Israel have in place. We might see our borders guarded by the military instead of internal law-enforcement -- not only ending illegal immigration but the drug-trade as well. We might see internal check-points placed on our highways and roads through-out the country. We might see the Washington DC airport never re-open to the public -- all public transport to and from DC will have to occur through heavily guarded roads and railways.
Finally, and perhaps most horrifyingly we might see the liberals among us -- after some time -- not only single out Islam as an enemy of our new world, but radical Christianity as well. Already we remark about Falwell and Robertson for their beliefs that we are the cause of this -- a point that many of us agreed with before the bombing. How many has it been said that America's naivety, our acceptance of the evils within our borders like the defense of mass murders, and specifically that of abortion would eventually cause God to lift his protection from this nation?
Those that believe in the Bible and in Revelations have always known that one day the devil would be thrown to the earth, that he would go after the Jewish people (protected by two Eagle's wings -- Revelations) but not be able to harm them. In frustration he would turn on her children...which has long been thought of as Christians.
Further -- those that believe in Revelations know that the "beast" will have victory over the "saints" and that those that accept the mark of the "beast" (666) will never be allowed into Heaven. All of this would lead to the "bowl judgements" which then lead to the eradication of billions of people from the earth and end in the return of Christ.
We've all seen the prophecies posted here hundreds of times and my point for bringing this up is that I've always held the belief that the "mark" of the beast are bio-implants that identify that person as belonging to the nation -- not actually a 666 tattooed on your forehead. It says the mark allows those that receive the ability to buy and sell. I did my college speech on bio-implants and the majority on their WONDERFUL benefits and the last 5 minutes on a "what-if" scenario. My scenario was this:
Imagine Hitler in the 1930's just coming to power. However -- having all of the technology we have today and all of his citizens implanted with identification (check Ditigal Angel -- the technology is so small it can be injected via a needle). Now, Hitler decides its time to pass the laws restricting Jewish rights within Germany. He opens Windows 2000 Professional, opens SQL Server, and runs:
UPDATE CITIZENS SET ACTIVE=0 WHERE BLOOD="Jew" -- Run
In an instant...all Jews across the country lose the power to buy, to sell, to travel on railways, and on planes. Checkpoints can be setup -- scan each person passing through and remove those that are inactive. Essentially the round-up of Jews is no longer based on appearance or the subjectivity. Its based on the result of a scan done on the person's hand or forehead.
Now -- the advantages of the chips are extremely long. It allows a true paperless society, reduced waits at airports, at ticket counters, at checkout lines, at banks. Monetary crime is nearly eliminated with the ability for the MASSIVE CIA and FBI resources to track all transactions and see the history of transactions for as long as the person was implanted. The ability to locate and apprehend criminals, and located the kidnapping and missing.
No one in that room believed we would EVER consider such technology -- however many years ago we did not like the idea of ATMS because there were not personal enough -- now we don't like cashiers because they're inconvinient. This event -- could be the catalyst for the implementation of the bio-implant technology. Certainly I don't believe bio-implants will show up tomorrow or the next year or the next. This is a gradual process of easy people into acceptance -- and each event like this that occurs will expose the flaws of its predecesors (like SmartCards or National Identity Cards) and increase the acceptance for something better -- however frightening.
I close with this -- whether you agree with my Biblical beliefs, we here at the Free Republic have always fought against this kind of invasion of privacy. We need to keep a very close eye on what freedoms we are willing to give up -- no matter the cause.
But prepare to be flamed. And that's the worst part.... finally something has happened so large, that even people I would consider patriots can no longer think clearly.
Those that would have stood against the government, are now the first that would turn you in.
If this intensity continues, we're going to be seriously screwed within the year...
Well I'm one of them. :-) I've been pretty vocal about my belief that we need all of the things I just outlined. HOW ELSE CAN you stop terrorists within our borders. I don't think any prophecy person ever considered that terrorism would be the catalyst. It has always been the invasion of Israel.
It just makes sense now. How can you defend against a shadowy enemy -- one that could have 100's or thousands of soldiers living and working in our own border without a MUCH larger military presence, security measure, and intelligence gathering arm?
Like they've been saying -- the limits have been withdrawn..
I see you haven't lost your touch...:)
By some of the replies that I have seen on other posts of questioning the loss of freedoms or liberties, or even questioning the President, one is considered a heretic or traitor. I guess it's the time of..damn the torpedos..full steam ahead.
"Deos fortioribus adesse." (The gods are on the side of the stronger.) Tacitus c.56 - c.177 AD
A good,solid Roman!
Well there is some truth to the criticisms of people that question the President. You should be able to question the loss of freedom all day long. To question the President -- before we even know what he's doing -- is to just be partisan and we've seen many partisans. We need to show a united front behind the President, the 100 senators, and the house members (-1) that support the President.
However, we should keep a wary eye towards the "agendas" that will come from this -- they don't necessarily have to come from the President. I see a whole new "age" of partisan politics over freedom vs security.
What are you trying to say? That that would be cool? Romans lost to Barbarians. No -- our empire would be unstoppable compared to the Romans....
Well I'm one of them. :-)
You'd have to decode that for me.
You're one who thinks a battle of Armeggedon is coming?
The 'I'm one of them' part is throwing me also...
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Look if Bush get us through this, without allowing a permanent loss in freedom - I'll even vote for him next time... because he will have proven he could be trusted with power. And I'd add to that, I think he's handling himself very well.. It's Congress that is currently scaring the piss out of me..
But don't hold your breath. Even FR has become a bastion of conformity. Once - this place was about liberty, protections of Constitutional rights, a return the values of our Founders. Now it's more and more... monthly... becoming an arm of the GOP...
I'm totally for pounding these terrorist muslim idiots into the sand. But there's not ANY excuse for attacking the Constitution.
I'm looking at the magic eight ball... and asking the question...
"Your future is fascism." is the reply.
Well. I hear Canada is nice....
I'd be interested in hearing yours at some time.
Both -- sort of -- I think the majority of battles and trials are over before "Armeggedon" but I'm also one that sees the need for the loss of freedom to protect security. We have to realize the threat we face this day -- if they had bio, chem, or nuclear weapons they would use it -- only a VERY powerful and aggressive intelligence gathering community and internal security is going to stop that.
And I'd add to that, I think he's handling himself very well.. It's Congress that is currently scaring the piss out of me..
Agreed. Bush is doing a very good job for the moment. I was worried in that first speech. Its Powell's statements about arrest and trial that are worrying me right now -- but I'll let that pass as disinformation for the moment.
Now it's more and more... monthly... becoming an arm of the GOP...
Well, I see them as the same thing.. GOP = return to founding fathers -- gradually. We can't afford to lose elections to Socialists that will drag us farther into chaos.
"Your future is fascism." is the reply.
Its a definite quandry. There is a reason Bush is taking so long to ponder this. Our enemy can't be beaten on the battlefield alone. He has to be uprooted from his positions within our own country and excluded from re-entering it. How can you tell someone's religion by looking at them? We are talking about a religion -- Islamic Fundamentalism...maybe all Islamics...depeding on their reaction to our reaction.
As for you other fears...from a early post today
I actually heard Dickhead Gephardt say on national TV last night that it might be time for American citizens to have to carry ID cards with them at all times. These cards would be so called "smart cards" containing all of your personal information. I thought that living in America and being an American citizen meant that we didn't have to worry about "showing our papers" to go out and about. I'm scared - really scared - not of the terrorists, but of our representatives in Washington! The plain fact that they haven't declared WAR on terrorists and the countries that harbor them yet tells me that they are stalling until the public outcry dies down so that they won't have to do anything - as usual.�
Sounds like someone's NWO plan backfired.
We have to just hold on and see what happens.
Don't be too sure. You aren't going to use those weapons on our fellow policemen and soldiers. To do so would be traitorous.
The NWO is a good thing -- your security will be assured by the full faith of our armed services.
You know -- I think the UN may have had a purpose once for being the NWO -- but its been overrun by anti-globalists. Which is odd. I think this will be a new creation that includes OUR friends and excludes OUR enemies.
I agree, but let me ask you if..Slick Willy was still President do you think he would have the same support among freepers? Do you think there would be a united front of support, or do you think a lot of second guessing, finger pointing and even criticism? Be honest.
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