Posted on 09/14/2001 9:47:12 PM PDT by Naspino
There have been a lot of religious and occult inferences to what is going on -- and for the most part "tin foil hat" responses. However, there could be an undertone to what will soon happen that we -- as Free Republic members -- should keep an eye out for.
If a New World Order could be built, literally a revived Roman Empire, it could not be built during our lifetimes through diplomacy without a massive life-changing, earth-shaking event that demanded its creation. What we could possibly be seeing is the formation of this New World Order.
Just think about these things:
1. For the first time -- in my lifetime and most likely in the last 60 years the partisan rankor in this country has been nearly abolished.
2. To question the congress or the President immediately implies that one is a traitor (rightfully so) because of the need to keep the response to this action moving forward.
3. We are for the first time (both sides) questioning our need to surrender some our freedoms. We are for the first time considering placing troops within our country, in our airports, on our airplanes.
4. We are considering whether to completely close our borders (I don't know how long its been since we've done this).
5. Article 5 has been invoked in NATO.
6. We are forming a coalition of nations outside of NATO, most likely one larger and more resolved than the one Bush Sr. created. The tone to this coalition may very well be "if you are not for freedom -- then you must be against freedom".
7. We are considering weapons of mass destruction (at least many Americans -- maybe not the President).
8. Congressmen are seriously questioning the need for identification technology -- for which we have been fighting against for years (FaceIt, National Ids, bio-implants). Gephardt remarked that most Americans were against this technology, but in light of resent events we may have no choice.
9. The US has stood in the way of many nations attempts to eradicate their Islamic problems (China and Russia most notably) because of "human-rights abuses". Any coalition involving these nations will have to address their needs to eradicate these people -- without those objections.
All of this can very quickly lead to the formation of a larger "entity" that does not necessarily fight for "freedom" but fights against those that are against it -- to begin with Islamic Fundamentalism. While out militaries fight this war we will no doubt see a blank check given to intelligence agencies due to the "shadowy" nature of our enemy. Using the same logic we will likely see the erosion of some of our freedoms through increased security measures to safeguard those freedoms, perhaps initial introduced as temporary measures.
The most notable things we will see will be the increased security at our borders and on our travel -- the level of security will likely exceed that that El Al and Israel have in place. We might see our borders guarded by the military instead of internal law-enforcement -- not only ending illegal immigration but the drug-trade as well. We might see internal check-points placed on our highways and roads through-out the country. We might see the Washington DC airport never re-open to the public -- all public transport to and from DC will have to occur through heavily guarded roads and railways.
Finally, and perhaps most horrifyingly we might see the liberals among us -- after some time -- not only single out Islam as an enemy of our new world, but radical Christianity as well. Already we remark about Falwell and Robertson for their beliefs that we are the cause of this -- a point that many of us agreed with before the bombing. How many has it been said that America's naivety, our acceptance of the evils within our borders like the defense of mass murders, and specifically that of abortion would eventually cause God to lift his protection from this nation?
Those that believe in the Bible and in Revelations have always known that one day the devil would be thrown to the earth, that he would go after the Jewish people (protected by two Eagle's wings -- Revelations) but not be able to harm them. In frustration he would turn on her children...which has long been thought of as Christians.
Further -- those that believe in Revelations know that the "beast" will have victory over the "saints" and that those that accept the mark of the "beast" (666) will never be allowed into Heaven. All of this would lead to the "bowl judgements" which then lead to the eradication of billions of people from the earth and end in the return of Christ.
We've all seen the prophecies posted here hundreds of times and my point for bringing this up is that I've always held the belief that the "mark" of the beast are bio-implants that identify that person as belonging to the nation -- not actually a 666 tattooed on your forehead. It says the mark allows those that receive the ability to buy and sell. I did my college speech on bio-implants and the majority on their WONDERFUL benefits and the last 5 minutes on a "what-if" scenario. My scenario was this:
Imagine Hitler in the 1930's just coming to power. However -- having all of the technology we have today and all of his citizens implanted with identification (check Ditigal Angel -- the technology is so small it can be injected via a needle). Now, Hitler decides its time to pass the laws restricting Jewish rights within Germany. He opens Windows 2000 Professional, opens SQL Server, and runs:
UPDATE CITIZENS SET ACTIVE=0 WHERE BLOOD="Jew" -- Run
In an instant...all Jews across the country lose the power to buy, to sell, to travel on railways, and on planes. Checkpoints can be setup -- scan each person passing through and remove those that are inactive. Essentially the round-up of Jews is no longer based on appearance or the subjectivity. Its based on the result of a scan done on the person's hand or forehead.
Now -- the advantages of the chips are extremely long. It allows a true paperless society, reduced waits at airports, at ticket counters, at checkout lines, at banks. Monetary crime is nearly eliminated with the ability for the MASSIVE CIA and FBI resources to track all transactions and see the history of transactions for as long as the person was implanted. The ability to locate and apprehend criminals, and located the kidnapping and missing.
No one in that room believed we would EVER consider such technology -- however many years ago we did not like the idea of ATMS because there were not personal enough -- now we don't like cashiers because they're inconvinient. This event -- could be the catalyst for the implementation of the bio-implant technology. Certainly I don't believe bio-implants will show up tomorrow or the next year or the next. This is a gradual process of easy people into acceptance -- and each event like this that occurs will expose the flaws of its predecesors (like SmartCards or National Identity Cards) and increase the acceptance for something better -- however frightening.
I close with this -- whether you agree with my Biblical beliefs, we here at the Free Republic have always fought against this kind of invasion of privacy. We need to keep a very close eye on what freedoms we are willing to give up -- no matter the cause.
I see this stopping criminals... not terrorists? They don't have to stand in front of you are look you in the eye. They pack a car full of explosives and drive it up to your house -- and they may even sit in it while it blows up...
Guns are the answer to THIS particular threat. I don't think anyone in government will argue that.
Are you being sarcastic? I hope so.
No one can assure my security...or yours either.
Only the dead are perfectly safe.
Tuor
Hah! They know they can't fight us that way. That is the whole reason they resort to terrorism to fight us.
Tuor
I'll add to that. The terrorists that did this had expired visas -- they should have been hunted down and removed anyway. I think these issues are going to take on a BIG role in future debates about our internal security. We will obviously look more like Israel after this. If you are in Israel you see people with M16s in the malls, at checkpoints, walking down the street, even driving between cities you'll see them up on the hills walking across border lines.
Its a free society -- I can walk around all I want because I don't look like an Arab. However -- you might occasionally be stopped and asked to prove your identity. Getting into the country is VERY easy -- getting OUT is extremely hard -- don't ask me...
They control their airspace and the airports are a considerable distance from the cities. They have marshals on every flights.
Sorry meant "Guns are NOT the ..."
No one can assure your security from a criminal -- however -- if they implement internal security -- you'll see daily lives resume to normal without fear from islamic fundamentalists.
I consider myself of above average - when it comes to tactical things...
And I could tell you, I wouldn't use it.
Seriously, want to know what I'd do, in their position?
One of two things. Attack like they have been, and wait for a counter attack... then use the nuke (it will be a backpack device)... on a city.
Or... if I only had one...
I might wait for the American armies to take the field... and use it on them.
Using your best weapons first is not necessarily the best tactic. It depends on your overall strategy.
Its Powell's statements about arrest and trial that are worrying me right now -- but I'll let that pass as disinformation for the moment.
Well, disinfo from his own mouth is rather damning, IMO...
Well, I see them as the same thing.. GOP = return to founding fathers -- gradually. We can't afford to lose elections to Socialists that will drag us farther into chaos
Disgree. Each election no matter WHO wins drags us farther into socialism and chaos. If this were not the case, we'd see gradual returns of freedom when Republicans were in power. We don't. We see SLOWER erosions of freedom.
Our enemy can't be beaten on the battlefield alone.
On that, I disagree again. Hard to win a battle when you're dead. We can simply kill them all.
I didn't want to post it, but I've been thinking the exact same thing. I can live with random violence...
I don't think I can live in a police state. For long at least...
Kill who?
Some would argue that you must be a criminal. Only criminals and terrorists have to fear our police. Our police are good people a lot are conservative -- but we've also seen report after report that they execute their orders -- and sometimes that involves taking away our freedoms.
Not this human. They can just kill me, instead.
Very true. Those fears will be replaced by fears of our own government who will not relenquish the power we given them if we do it in the form of a blank check.
In WWII, we had clear enemies who could be fought and defeated. Once that was accomplished, the war was over and peace returned. When will this 'war' be over? Never; not the way I've heard it framed lately.
This will not be a war, but a permanent change in our societal structure -- a change which will eventually lead to the end of this nation as it currently stands, IMO.
I don't want to see America become the Land of the Safe, Home of the Regimented.
Once, we were greater than that.
Tuor
If it is -- the mark of the beast -- then that might be the only way you can enter Heaven.
What I'm worried about is my children. Tell me this -- what happens if they did come and say you have to implanted or you will be arrested and I refused for my young son. Would they take him away and forcibly implant him? Does that mean he will be eternally damned? What do you do in that situation?
My list? I think that for this act of war against America that we should absolutely destroy EVERY terrorist group that has EVER attacked America with so much as a firework. All of them. Completely. To the last man.
If a State harbors or defends them, then we declare war on that State and destroy its leadership and army, and replace it with an occupied government.
I am in no way suggesting half measures EXTERNALLY.
I don't want to make slaves of our own citizens. I want to make Arabs piss themselves whenever they even THINK about attacking us again. That's the form of terrorist control I want. Not restrictions on us, but the fear of God in them...
I want an absolutely brutal response against those that have done this. I do not want to 'bring people to justice'. I want them dead.
I am not interested in what 'some' say. I am only interested in Morality and Truth.
I would rather lose a skyscraper a week than to lose the Republic... or the vestiges of it.
I'd point something else out. When we go, the world goes.
The world economy is based on our stability. On our freedom. On our capitalist society.
Convert that to fascism, and I for one... will quit. I will not produce again. Friction will wear down the rest of it, and you'll have a new Dark Age on your hands. Only this time... the Kings will have nukes.
I think you're playing devil's advocate. But let's be clear what civilization rests on.... it rests on freedom.
Bab Walters did an interview of a woman who's husband was killed -- she said her husband would NEVER have wanted the US to take vengence on another country.
The libs will find more and more of these people and they'll start doing TV magazine articles covering the tragedy of the arab victims, why they hate us...you'll see a large portion of this country will want us to end all military efforts -- so a prolonger action is unlikely -- it has to be done quick -- and to do it right you'd have to remove EVERY islamic from the world. You don't know which of the 1 BILLION are terrorists and which are not. Can't kill them all -- so you have to stop them from carrying out their mission in this country.
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