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Free Republic | 09/15/01 | Jim Robinson

Posted on 09/15/2001 6:59:48 PM PDT by Jim Robinson

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To: Jaxter
We'd rather have the Brits that we can count on.

I've known JJ for 18 months. He's a good guy. He only gets riled when someone makes a false statement about the UK.

301 posted on 09/15/2001 11:27:12 PM PDT by peabers
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To: jjbrouwer
Oh no, don't even get me started on gay and lesbian couples training up children in the way they should go. Maybe in a perfect world the children would just learn right and wrong by osmosis with no help from outside forces. But these children are having to deal with parents that are struggling with depression and all manner of psychological issues due to their own choices. But I digress.

I am thankful for this site and I would hate to see it used to hinder any and all advantages we have gained in the days to come.

At the risk of getting this post pulled, my concerns on whether a post got pulled or not is not my focus any longer. We need to stay focused on what's really important. We really don't know how much has been done to this point by those who have been patient and plotting on how to destroy America. We, as citizens need to be ever vigilent and watchful-my biggest concern til now is that if these were "sleepers" that caused this destruction that lived, trained and worked among us for so long, were they content in just causing destruction on 9/11? or are we at risk even now while we go off to fight a war on foriegn soil to have mayhem still at home?

Now that I'm grown and have the responsibility for others it's a whole new world in discerning what the next move should be. Maybe I've allowed myself to be another casualty by imagining the worst. Does this cause me to stop living and doing those things that I need to do-no, but it should cause me to be aware of my surroundings a little more and the things I thought important have to be reprioritized.

For though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death I will fear no evil for Thou art with me.

303 posted on 09/15/2001 11:30:07 PM PDT by swheats
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To: peabers
"I've known JJ for 18 months. He's a good guy. He only gets riled when someone makes a false statement about the UK.

And us Yanks tend to get riled when 5000+ of our innocent citizens get murdered and foreigners complain that we should make public knowledge our war plans.

304 posted on 09/15/2001 11:36:54 PM PDT by Jaxter
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To: John Harris
It would be nice if everybody in the world had the time to sit down and give Locke’s Second Treatise a good go over. But we're at war now. You are either on our side or their side. There is no middle. Make your choice. Would you be be willing to sit down an analyze the situation for a couple of years if you'd had a loved one in the World Trade Center?
305 posted on 09/15/2001 11:51:57 PM PDT by Jaxter
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To: John Harris
Yes I'm sure and no I will not reverse course.
306 posted on 09/15/2001 11:57:57 PM PDT by Jim Robinson
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To: redrock
We must be ever vigilant in protecting our inalienable rights as enumerated in the constitution and BOR.

Luke 22:36 (KJV) --Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one.

Got sword? (M1 Garand ==>CMP)

No mercy, no quarter!
May the jihadists burn in hell for eternity!
Help speed them on their way!

Molon Labe!

307 posted on 09/16/2001 12:23:16 AM PDT by TERMINATTOR
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To: Jim Robinson
The voice of reason. What else is new?
308 posted on 09/16/2001 12:29:29 AM PDT by ArneFufkin
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To: John Harris, Jim Robinson
I think the trouble is less with the fact that some posters criticize President Bush or other conservative leaders or each other than with the tone and manner in which some of those criticisms are made. I registered with FR last fall, but have only really been active since the summer started when I and a good number of others came over from Lucianne.com. We noticed (I certainly did) that manners and opinions were much more free-wheeling over here, including the fact that some of our fellow guests here, conservative ones, didn't care much for how Dub and his administration were doing their jobs and weren't at all shy about saying so. I didn't always like the way they said it. I thought they were rather harsher than I would be to people with whom I was ostensibly on the same side. But I didn't and don't care to return fire in kind because first, it's not my style, and second, as vehement as some of my conservative colleagues here are in their opposition, and as much as I might disagree with their arguments and methods, they are my fellow conservatives, and I'd prefer not to waste my time and mental ammunition firing on my own. I'd rather spend it on the left. I think that as well-meaning as they may be, they're a far greater hazard to a free republic than anybody on this side. This is a big tent. You will hit the sides of the tent or run out the flap if you go far enough, but there's plenty of common ground inside. In any case, it's Mr. Robinson's neighborhood. The rest of us are just guests here. If he can put up with the chaos that occasionally goes on here, and (I'm not saying this to butter up the host) my impression is that he does so with extremely good grace, so can I.

Something changed Tuesday. Somebody came into my country, our country, and launched a diabolically bold and brutal attack on it. And you know what? I can pretty much assure you they didn't ask what political party, or political school of thought the crew or passengers on those planes belonged to. Nor would they have asked the people in the WTC towers or the Pentagon if they could. They didn't care. The people on the planes...the people in the buildings...the people who came to help after the attacks? The enemy. The Great Satan, if you will. All of them. And all of us. Bushie, Buchananite, Keyester, McCainiac, paleocon, neocon, just plain con, globalist, isolationist, Constitutionalist, libertarian, or for that matter, New Dem, Old Dem or leftist...we're all just meat to those guys. Pigmeat, if the bad guys are who we suspect. Something to think about. I know it's on my mind.

So if you have a beef with how Bush or the government does its job, fair enough. If you have a disagreement with some of the others here, have at it. But think of what I said and try to be kind. Try not to say anything you might regret if something happened to the official you're talking about, or the other poster. Because the sad truth you have to keep in mind after last Tuesday is that something could.

309 posted on 09/16/2001 12:44:48 AM PDT by RichInOC
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To: Jim Robinson
Kudos Jim. Unfortunately, it needed to be said.
311 posted on 09/16/2001 12:47:51 AM PDT by ArneFufkin
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To: Jim Robinson
Take Arator with you when you go. Thanks

Doesn't it seem sometimes that NO good deeds go unpunished?

313 posted on 09/16/2001 1:02:06 AM PDT by ArneFufkin
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To: John Harris
I'd find it impossible to abide by those terms, though - too many years of independent thought prevent that.

This is not a Gulag. Cry me some tears pal.

315 posted on 09/16/2001 1:13:40 AM PDT by ArneFufkin
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To: Jim Robinson
Thanks Jim. I pray God will help us in this war to be brave, smart, wise, discreet, and united with each other and our leaders.

I really hope everyone will blast any news organization that releases info or guesses about actions of the military that we think should not be told worldwide. I know several people on Fox News have given news and then said they were authorized by the administration or law enforcement to release it and they would not give out information that might be harmful to law enforcement in their investigations. I believe they will be careful, but some of the others scare me as I remember some of the news reported during the Gulf war.

316 posted on 09/16/2001 1:16:28 AM PDT by maranatha
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To: Jim Robinson,To All Please read this statement by Jim Robinson
bump for national security
317 posted on 09/16/2001 1:34:57 AM PDT by 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub (LOOSE LIPS SINKS SHIPS!)
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To: To All Please read this important statement by Jim Robinson
bump
318 posted on 09/16/2001 2:30:24 AM PDT by 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub
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To: RichInOC
your post 309
Well said, especially your last paragraph.
319 posted on 09/16/2001 2:59:08 AM PDT by 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub
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To: Jaxter
And us Yanks tend to get riled when 5000+ of our innocent citizens get murdered and foreigners complain that we should make public knowledge our war plans.

I don't remember complaining about that. We have lost 500+ people so I don't think you have a monopoly on grief.
320 posted on 09/16/2001 3:21:36 AM PDT by jjbrouwer
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To: JustAmy,To All Please read this statement by Jim Robinson
last bump of the night for unity and security
321 posted on 09/16/2001 3:34:15 AM PDT by 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYatchClub
BUMP!!!!!!!!
322 posted on 09/16/2001 3:47:54 AM PDT by CELTICGAEL (Celt) (God Bless America!)
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To: anniegetyourgun
wish someone would change the tone and start calling this a War on Terrorism. This is what is and defines it better
323 posted on 09/16/2001 4:01:41 AM PDT by fred flinch
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To: Jim Robinson
To: jjbrouwer
They were deleted just to annoy you.

ROTFLMAO

Won't voice my concerns with the subject of this thread just yet. GWB and the USA have my full support, sacrificing my civil liberties does not. "Sacrificing some freedoms for more security," as I've heard many on TV mention, dishonors the casualties of the 11th and gives a win to the terrorists.

324 posted on 09/16/2001 4:12:11 AM PDT by Abundy
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYatchClub
First bump of the morning.
God Bless America. Pray for our country. We will win this war.
325 posted on 09/16/2001 4:38:32 AM PDT by JustAmy
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To: John Harris
First, John:

Undeniable truth of life #1: Humanity has been in a perpetual state of war since the first man tried to do it with another man's woman, sometime back when making fire was considered the peak of technology. War is not a product of any one ideology, nor has there ever been a time of peace since the very first threat any man made against another.

326 posted on 09/16/2001 4:55:45 AM PDT by piasa
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To: Jim Robinson
Thanks for saying what need to be said. Although, IMO you shouldn't have had to in the first place. Thanks for FR
327 posted on 09/16/2001 5:00:49 AM PDT by Brasky
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To: Jim Robinson
Our first deployment should be Bill and Hill let them do their little protest act like they did in the Vietnam War now that they have finally brought it to our shores. It is not the economy stupid it is those liberals who started all this peacenik crap in the Vietnam War.Unfortunately its called Payday Someday!
328 posted on 09/16/2001 5:05:27 AM PDT by gunnedah (Gunnedah)
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To: Abundy
I only pretended to be annoyed. It would take something like a force-fed diet of posts from the FRillage idiot Jaxter to achieve this goal!
329 posted on 09/16/2001 5:17:35 AM PDT by jjbrouwer
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To: Salswid
"I am 68 & a female but IF I could, I'd sign up tomorrow"

And you would be standing in line. You are not alone in your sentiments.

FReegards,

330 posted on 09/16/2001 5:17:45 AM PDT by VMI70
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To: Jim Robinson
AMEN...God bless you and your family....God Bless America!
331 posted on 09/16/2001 5:50:52 AM PDT by Mother Nature
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To: Jim Robinson
Complete agreement bump.

As I said during impeachment, as goes the FR, so goes the US.

We will prevail

332 posted on 09/16/2001 5:54:31 AM PDT by IncPen
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To: jjbrouwer
Re: #200 - I only copied in Jim with my response to Arator because Arator implicated both Jim & I as having the same philosophy as the terrorists. I hope that clears things up for you.
333 posted on 09/16/2001 6:08:17 AM PDT by anniegetyourgun
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To: John Harris
"As far as "our side" and "their side" are concerned, I would remind you that it is often that case that both warring factions are wrong. The Nazis fought the Bolsheviks - were you on one side as opposed to the other? I'm on the side of reason, and will conduct myself accordingly."

So, you're saying that the US is as bad as the terrorists? Because if you are you should pack up and move out ASAP. I'd recommend Canada. It would be a nice safe place to read your pacifist books and they have a history of harboring those that don't have the intestinal fortitude to fight for their country.I hate nazis and bolsheviks and believe that we should have listened to Patton.

334 posted on 09/16/2001 6:22:00 AM PDT by Jaxter
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To: jjbrouwer
"I don't remember complaining about that. We have lost 500+ people so I don't think you have a monopoly on grief."

Then what is your point? You've done nothing on this thread but insult Americans in general, and several, including myself and Jim Robinson, in particular. You've lost 500? Well, we'll root out and kill the perps for you. I doubt Tony Blair has the steel that Maggie Thatcher did, so we'll probably not get much help from the likes of you. So you'll just have to excuse Jim Robinson when he pulls threads that he feels might hurt our (not your) national security. It's his website and if it had been me, I'd have pulled your ticket 2 seconds after you called him a "book burner".

335 posted on 09/16/2001 6:49:18 AM PDT by Jaxter
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Bttt
336 posted on 09/16/2001 6:53:35 AM PDT by ofMagog
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To: All: Continuation thread
Loose Lips Sinks Ships - Thread II: Congress has authorized vigilantism, not declared war.
337 posted on 09/16/2001 7:30:41 AM PDT by Benoit Baldwin
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To: Jim Robinson

Thank you, Jim. You and your staff have more wisdom and courage than a lot of folks; hopefully you are blessed with serenity. Thomas Jefferson had this to say about his media -- it hasn't changed in almost 200 years:

"Nothing can now be believed which is seen in a newspaper. Truth itself becomes suspicious by being put into that polluted vehicle."
          -- Thomas Jefferson to John Norvell, June 11, 1807

338 posted on 09/16/2001 7:36:41 AM PDT by brityank
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To: Jim Robinson
This attack may not have been in the military scale and scope of a Pearl Harbor, but in terms of lives lost and impact on the nation and the world it is every bit as severe.

Total killed at Pearl Harbor were 2,330.

Total killed or missing in the World Trade Center are 4,763. Total killed or missing at the Pentagon are 190. Total killed on board the four aircraft are 266. Grand total 5,219.

In terms of property damage in constant dollars (that are adjusted for inflation), try to correlate the following losses. At Pearl Harbor, we lost two battleships, one very old battleship that had been converted into a target ship, one oiler and one repair ship. Three more battleships, a cruiser and two destroyers were damaged, but repaired and returned to action. We also lost over 100 aircraft, nearly all of them single-engined.

On Tuesday we lost the World Trade Center's twin towers and six other buildings in lower Manhattan. The Pentagon and several other New York buildings have been damaged but are returning to full operational capacity -- in the case of the Pentagon, they were up and running very quickly but it may take a few months to repair the damage. We also lost four large-capacity intercontinental airliners.

I strongly urge all freepers, and all media reporters lurking on these threads, to KEEP YOUR MOUTHS SHUT about any military or intelligence related activity by America and her allies. Don't assume that the information will never get back to the terrorists. Their sympathizers from around the world are definitely swarming all over this site and many other discussion sites.

Right now, we want to hear about it after the fact ... after they have delivered their ordnance payloads to their targets.

339 posted on 09/16/2001 8:24:50 AM PDT by Bryan
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To: Jaxter (the idiot)
You've done nothing on this thread but insult Americans in general, and several, including myself and Jim Robinson, in particular. You've lost 500? Well, we'll root out and kill the perps for you. I doubt Tony Blair has the steel that Maggie Thatcher did, so we'll probably not get much help from the likes of you.

I certainly did not insult Jim, but merely engaged in some late night banter. You, on the other hand, are a different kettle of fish entirely. If you had your grubby little paws on Jim's trainset there wouldn't be any posters left.

And the insults seemed to be flying from your direction (eg anti-American puke).

Britain has always supported the USA in conflicts so your unpleasant remarks about Blair are unwarranted.
340 posted on 09/16/2001 8:40:46 AM PDT by jjbrouwer
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To: jjbrouwer (The anti-American puke)
You're not only an anti-American puke, you're a lying anti-American puke. On second thought I may be being to hard on puke.
341 posted on 09/16/2001 8:51:56 AM PDT by Jaxter
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To: Jaxter (the anti-British idiot)
Flattery will get you nowhere, Jack*ss, or whatever your name is.

The vast majority of Americans have been very grateful for the support of the British. But there is always one bad apple like you.

Unlike many of our European neighbours we have been quick to offer our unconditional support.

Fortunately, there will be few of your kind in the taskforce, demotivating us.
342 posted on 09/16/2001 8:58:50 AM PDT by jjbrouwer
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To: all
There is a new thread...

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Jaxter
343 posted on 09/16/2001 9:09:49 AM PDT by jjbrouwer
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To: jjbrouwer (Whining leftist)
"The vast majority of Americans have been very grateful for the support of the British. But there is always one bad apple like you."

Who me? I love Brits. At least the Brits that support us. That group doesn't include you however. And hey, I can keep this up all day. My computer is located in the same room that I keep my guns and I'm cleaning them today. You know what a gun is don't you? Those are those things that your government took away from you. Well, probably not you, because you strike me as an anti-gun type. It's kind of ironic don't you think? I'm sitting here cleaning a No.5, Mk-1 .303 British Jungle carbine, and you, a Brit is not even allowed to own one. I mean, we have more freedom, wouldn't you agree? Man, this is a great country. God bless America, and what the heck, God save the Queen.

344 posted on 09/16/2001 9:12:19 AM PDT by Jaxter
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To: Jim Robinson
Well said. Amen!
345 posted on 09/16/2001 9:34:08 AM PDT by ELS
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To: To All Please read this important statement by Jim Robinson
bump
346 posted on 09/16/2001 11:38:40 AM PDT by 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub
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To: Jim Robinson
"They do not want peace. They do not want to co-exist. They do not want appeasement or negotiation. They want to destroy us. "

Frightening truth.

347 posted on 09/16/2001 11:43:52 AM PDT by bayourod
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To: summer
Because: Frankly, if you do not want to see our president lead our nation and the world to victory, then, go elsewhere. Really, this is NOT the time to putz around.

I've suddenly decided we should stop this foolish war against bin Laden and attack the Sun. That's right, we should attack bin Sol.

For billions of years, bin Sol has been infecting this innocent planet with solar radiation, twisting and killing things without mercy. We need to attack Sol immediately.

But *don't criticize* our leaders if we attampt such an attack. We must follow them blindly into the Sun. That have told us Sol is our enemy, and so proof is not necessary -- they have said it. Millions of people every year suffer sun burns and skin cancer from his neferous effects. This must not be allowed to stand and we must not stop our efforts until only a Black Hole is left were Sol used to be.

Honestly, I find it terribly sad that a forum that was intensely vigilant as to the doings of our government has now changed to an unquestioning supporter of the same. Don't get me wrong: I fully support not giving troop information or other technical information (which I, in fact, possess a small amount of) -- that would be clearly wrong.

It is also wrong, IMO, not to scrutinize what our government is doing and to point it out if something wrong or anti-American comes to fore. The government of today and the one before September eleventh is the *same one*, still full of many Clinton appointees and those who would take away our freedoms. As horrific as the events of that fateful day are, our government is still staffed by the same people.

I respect Jim Rob's right to determine what is posted here. I've been coming here for a long time, and what Jim Robinson has created has done a great service for this country, IMO. All I can say to the forum and to him is this: the law of unintended (or intended) consequences remains in wartime as much as in peacetime. If we blindly follow our leaders simply because we are at war, then it may well be that this war will never end, and our freedoms will be forever extinguished not by foreign attack, but by our own fears and the power-hungry in our own government. To me, this is a real possibility.

But if I am not to be allowed to question and must instead watch unfold things I cannot support as a Christian and American without comment on this forum, then I suppose I should go rather than violate JimRob's policies, which I respect. I don't want to do that, but I respect his wishes.

For now, I'll wait and see how things play out here, just as I am waiting to see how things play out on the American Stage.

Tuor

348 posted on 09/16/2001 12:19:51 PM PDT by Tuor
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To: Tuor
The "American Stage" may become permanently dark if we don't get this show on the road.
349 posted on 09/16/2001 12:24:41 PM PDT by summer
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To: Jim Robinson
God Bless you Jim. God Bless all of our posters. And may God Bless America.
350 posted on 09/16/2001 12:27:38 PM PDT by AdvisorB
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