Skip to comments.NY FReepers who DISAPPEARED on-line the moment of the tragedy
Posted on 09/15/2001 11:31:19 PM PDT by Silly
By searching the homepages of all NY FReepers, and clicking on the "Find In Forum" link, I have identified four FReepers who:
1] Were active posters (not dormant users);
2] Posting up until the tragedy;
2] Then suddenly stopped posting on FR.
I've listed the most alarming one first:
thefactor: Posted twice at 10:07 a.m. and 10:20 a.m. on Tuesday, watching in horror as "the tower" went down, describing chaos, and asking for prayer. See this thread: Plane Crashes into World Trade Center. Read his posts #112 and #119 VERY CAREFULLY and tell me whether you too think this sounds like an EYEWITNESS in the SECOND TOWER. We should check the timeline of events that day: What time did the first and second towers collapse? This FReeper also lives in NYC, according to previous posts. Young male.
three -- sorry, two -- stanz is accounted for -- are slightly less alarming, but still warrant our concern, as they were active posters. You and I know how addictive this place is. Why would someone be an active poster -- in NYC -- and then stop posting after one of the worst tragedies in history?
Attillathehon: posted from the middle of Manhattan at 9:51 AM Eastern on Tuesday; nothing since.
PBRSTREETGANG: a very frequent poster who last posted at 8:41 a.m. Eastern Tuesday, Sept. 11, and NOTHING since. Had posted the day before, then again moments before the initial strike of the North Tower.
NOTE: These are all active FReepers, not people who haven't posted in months.
Do you know these FReepers?
Is there some way you can make sure that the following thread:
...is archived/protected from deletion? As you can see in my post, it may contain the last words of a FReeper who was an eyewitness in the second tower.
Also, Jim, is it possible -- without violating anyone's privacy, and without disclosing anything to us -- could you send these three FReepers an e-mail asking them to respond?
If any of these people worked at a WTC company, and frequently posted from work, it is possible they registered their FR accounts using their companies' e-mail addresses. Jim, you might recognize certain company names in their e-mail addresses.
Let's pray for them and for us.
Just throwing out some possibilities other than the unthinkable.......
Now to check on the time the second tower collapsed.
That is a good point -- but read his words again (or for the first time if you haven't yet):
"I am in NYC. The tower just collapsed. It is chaos here. People have been seen JUMPING out of the towers to try and save themselves. There is black ash falling all over the city. It is a nightmare that no one has ever dared dream. I am speechless." -- posted by thefactor at 10:07 a.m. Eastern on 9/11/2001
"Words cannot express what is going thru our heads right now after watching that tower fall. That building is something that I, and in fact everyone in this country has known as a symbol for this great land of ours for our entire lives. And it just disintegrated on top of firemen, police, and civilians. Thousands are dead most likely. This is hell. Pray for us as we pray for you." -- posted by thefactor at 10:20 a.m. Eastern on 9/11/2001
Captain, I hope you are right. You have provided me some sanity with your fresh air and common sense.
Actually, this really isn't the case:
1. We are not in chaos. We're shook up, but the streets are calm, people are going about their lives, and life is orderly -- very orderly.
2. I know of very, very few people actually evacuated from NYC, except those directly around Ground Zero. Power has come back on there. Manhattanites are still here. Workers are commuting into Manhattan every day.
3. Communications are fine, except for lines in the buildings that are down.
In re-reading, I have to ask after the FReepers who reported family in the buildings in addition to the ones you are requesting info on.
FReeper jacquej reported that his/her brother-in-law and nephew both worked in the building. Any word? jacquej?
FReeper prambo's son and daughter-in-law worked there. Any word?
Praying for all.
I just have to say again that your point seems so valid and has calmed me. Thanks for thinking of it. It still would not surprise me, however, if this thing went either way -- it could be a TV watcher, someone in the neighborhood, or possibly a tenant in the tower.
Sometimes the most obvious facts -- like, "I'm in Tower 2" -- just don't always occur to people to make.
No, because if you look at the earlier posts, you'll see remarks about the second tower having been hit too. As addictive as FR is, no one would stay at their computer after an airplane crashed into their building (and I'm pretty sure electricity would have gone out).
Furthermore, he stated only that he lived in NYC; if he had been in the second tower, he surely would have mentioned that. If you personally witnessed Kennedy get shot, would you say, "I was in Dallas at the time," or would you say, "I was right next to the Grassy Knoll!"
I don't know what happened to thefactor, but he wasn't in the towers.
thefactor bookmarked the "I love this drawing" thread, about the eagle sharpening its talons, on his home page. That thread was not posted until the 14th. It would appear thefactor made it through.
I'm sure that you just have to be right about that... Let's pray that thefactor will check in. Thanks for more sanity.
...unless you think your building is safe...
thefactor bookmarked a thread posted AFTERWARDS on the 14th!
You win a big sticky bun from me, tough guy. I never thought to look for bookmarks. Dude, excellent.
thefactor is safe.
Just go to his homepage and click "Find in Forum."
The first, American Airlines Flight 11, a Boeing 767 out of Boston for Los Angeles, crashed into the north tower at 8:48 a.m. Eighteen minutes later, United Airlines Flight 175, also headed from Boston to Los Angeles, plowed into the south tower.
In New York, the planes blasted fiery, gaping holes in the upper floors of the Twin Towers. A witness said he saw bodies falling and people jumping out. About an hour later, the southern tower collapsed with a roar and a huge cloud of smoke; the other tower fell about a half-hour after that.
FReepers started reporting the collapse of the second tower at about 10:01am
Go to her homepage, and click, "Find in Forum."
I'm going to bed. Thanks for the impressive thread-bumping, concern, sleuthing and sanity.
Leave it to helpful FReepers to help me dig for facts and SO QUICKLY track down thefactor. Let's continue to work on the other two, please.
In case you're checking this in the morning, the mystery has been solved. It seems the nightmare I was having was not a "ghost in the rafters" after all, but just a "bluebird in the attic."
All I have are bats in the belfry. ;^)
The electricity did not go out. I know someone who knows someone that got out of the second building in one piece. He said that the electricity and air condititoning were still working after the building was hit. He was on the 29th floor, so got out okay. But he said they were announcing on the PA system that everything was under control,a nd people should return to their office! He said some people did just that...
Let's face it: since this has happened there have been an overload of threads. I have spent 8-10 hours a day on FR from Tuesday on. It seems reasonable to me that people who are shellshocked may simply not be up to wading through FR these days.
There was a possibility that my Son could have been downtown since he is actively looking for a job.
We did however loose one old acquiantance from NYC; a boy my Son played with in 1979-80. He was above the plane hit line in the first building.
He called his brother to say there was too much fire and smoke and he knew he would not make it out and to tell parents he loved them. Never heard from again.
Just a little Hindu kid that never hurt anyone.
My son was on the phone with a friend downtown who saw the first tower hit, and was on the phone with him when the second one was hit.
My son is now a "mugged liberal" - even talking about enlisting.
Thanks for your concern for your fellow FReepers.
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