Posted on 09/18/2001 4:50:17 AM PDT by Liz
Clancy, you got all of the greatest FR people in the world working on it, buddy.
"Since the Taliban is a militia I would expect to meet you there. Weren't you the one posting a bunch of misleading drivel about the militia's role in the Amercican Revolution?
You remember me?
I remember pointing out the dangers of a standing army, among them- engaging in Unconstitutional foriegn adventures (like bombing Iraq for 10 years, earning the hatred of the Islamic world for no reason other than $$$ or bloodlust), which have a way of coming back to haunt the free people of the nation, the very ones who should have been wary of the standing army in the first place. Braindead and brainwashed, even this concrete lesson is lost on a once-free people.
"After the @ss-kicking you received from the Freepers who know something I am surprised to see you raise your head again."
After the WTC bombings proved my point in the first place, I don't see as how you have a leg to stand on.
But the fact is the warmongers have won the day.
Have fun in Afganistan, as long as you really are one of those who stands into danger, at least you back up your bravado. Too bad New Yorkers have to pay for it, but hey- that's on them.
Clancy, I'll say it again. You got all of the greatest FR people in the world working on it, buddy.
You and a bunch of others......liberal louse Church didn't see the
effects of his actions....but then libbers never do (or they don't care).
Liberals are blind to cause and effect of their failed policies.
Whereas conservatives see nothing else but, thankfully.
The Clancy article is brilliant. Funny how we have to hear the truth from a novelist. I remember reading his novel about the airliner crashing into Congress. I thought about the possibility ever since. When the small plane actually struck the White House, I thought, "Surely they will protect the DC airspace now!" But no.
I am a little tired of hearing, "We never thought it could happen." The first WTC bombing provoked no national response. Secondly, we cannot judge terrorists by what we think New England gentleman will do when really peeved. There is no comparison. The Arab radicals are the people who gladly blow up and kill children in Israel. They have no sense of shame. Hitler had more shame than the terrorists.
From now on we have to protect ourselves against what could happen (nuclear, biological, chemical), not against what has happened in the past. The whole idea is to do something unprecedented, to catch us where we are weak at the moment. And we must strike hard and persistently at all sources of terrorism, all forms of support.
Islam hates us because we are representatives of the West and it is in its deepest essence a backward, primitive religion. This is perfectly illustrated by its attitude on women. Clitorectomy is an answer to the female problem to the muslim.
Had we no standing army even a fool such as yourself should be able to see that the U.S.S.R. would have laid us in the dust. We have nothing to fear from our standing army and its activities are not unconstitutional. The Founders' fear of the standing army was because they believed it would be used as an instrument of oppression of our own people. That fear has been shown to be misplaced. Involvement outside of our country with permission of Congress is not unconstitutional except in your fantasies. It is not unconstitutional though often ineffective.
If you ever develop a minimal understanding of the constitution perhaps it would be useful or interesting to talk to you. But so far it is merely a bore.
The war was declared by the enemy not the U.S. standing army or no. Islam is incapable of living in peace with any other religion its enemies are anyone with a mind set past the 15th century so I guess you are safe.
ONLY TO YOU,OSAMA AND OTHER AMERICA HATERS IS THIS ATTACK ON THE U.S. JUSTIFIED.
Video piracy became the priority of our Intelligence Agencies in 1995Now a agency like the CIA has no direct Constitutional authority ... the authority to form and operate it is indirect, it is an overreach of executive power. Not that what we'd want to be done is an overreach -- the collection of intelligence, but to place that collection in a seperate, unaccoutable agency. Seperate from the Army, Navy, Justice, Customs and Immigration -- all of which not only have the grant of Constitutional authorization, but most importantly for any such spy agency to be effective, are the actual end-users of such information.
CIA directed in 1995 to seek Video Pirates
It is utter folly, and risks mulitiple disasters, to give intelligence over to any organization which has no means to use it. You have the constant situation of an agency seeking a customer. That is what Frank Church saw, and why the agency did then, and will again, if allowed, G-d forbid, to run reckless out of control, a will-less wonder seeking whatever fancy.
Ultimately in such malformed, misbirthed, agencies there does becomes one customer. That customer is the employees themselves. Lacking a grounded mission, their perks and pensions become the product.
The Navy's Intelligence service has a clear minimal mission, it is at least to protect the ships, ports and sailors. When that intelligence mission fails men are held to account. The agency corrects itself.
In an ungrounded, mission-less, whatever-mission-comes-along-today agency like the CIA, the agency sends out its most valued asset -- PR and the crack team of excusers. Pensions must be protected at all costs.
So when follies like the Clinton-era video piracy missions come along the men and women pensionaires have no choice but to go along.
G-d bless Linda Tripp.
An Act in addition to the act, entitled "An act for the punishment of certain crimes against the United States. "
SEC. I Be it enacted . . ., That if any persons shall unlawfully combine or conspire together, with intent to oppose any measure or measures of the government of the United States, which are or shall be directed by proper authority, or to impede the operation of any law of the United States, or to intimidate or prevent any person holding a place or office in or under the government of the United States, from undertaking, performing or executing his trust or duty; and if any person or persons, with intent as aforesaid, shall counsel, advise or attempt to procure any insurrection, riot. unlawful assembly, or combination, whether such conspiracy, threatening, counsel, advice, or attempt shall have the proposed effect or not, he or they shall be deemed guilty of a high misdemeanor, and on conviction, before any court of the United States having jurisdiction thereof, shall be punished by a fine not exceeding five thousand dollars, and by imprisonment during a term not less than six months nor exceeding five years; and further, at the discretion of the court may be holden to find sureties for his good behaviour in such sum, and for such time, as the said court may direct.
SEC. 2. That if any person shall write, print, utter. Or publish, or shall cause or procure to be written, printed, uttered or published, or shall knowingly and willingly assist or aid in writing, printing, uttering or publishing any false, scandalous and malicious writing or writings against the government of the United States, or either house of the Congress of the United States, or the President of the United States, with intent to defame the said government, or either house of the said Congress, or the said President, or to bring them. or either of them, into contempt or disrepute; or to excite against them, or either or any of them, the hatred of the good people of the United States, or to excite any unlawful combinations therein, for opposing or resisting any law of the United States, or any act of the President of the United States, done in pursuance of any such law, or of the powers in him vested by the constitution of the United States, or to resist, oppose, or defeat any such law or act, or to aid, encourage or abet any hostile designs of any foreign nation against the United States, their people or government, then such person, being thereof convicted before any court of the United States having jurisdiction thereof, shall be punished by a fine not exceeding two thousand dollars, and by imprisonment not exceeding two years.
SEC. 3. That if any person shall be prosecuted under this act, for the writing or publishing any libel aforesaid, it shall be lawful for the defendant, upon the trial of the cause, to give in evidence in his defence, the truth of the matter contained in the publication charged as a libel. And the jury who shall try the cause, shall have a right to determine the law and the fact, under the direction of the court, as in other cases.
SEC. 4. That this act shall continue to be in force until March 3, 1801, and no longer....
Whatever evil the CIA may have done was the result of orders from above.Those orders are classified or deniable, of course.
But the most important thing is the disregard of individual common sense and "agency" -- the concept of delegation, encompassing both authority and responsibility.
This was also the excuse at Nuremburg.
In that sense agency can not write off "evil deeds" as the result of orders from above. Indeed, we have but one final master, and no human order can be obeyed which violates His orders.
BTW I want to see bin Laden match your screen name.
I am of the opinion that Clinton and company were so busy being worried about the typical American as an enemy, that policy and priorities were directed that way, and our foreign threats ( which in their mindset, IMHO, never existed, but needed only understanding and 'engagement' ) were largely ignored.
Arrogant Clinton and his minions were too condescending of foreign threats to consider a response.
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