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Where's the Church in this time of crisis?
9/21/01 | me

Posted on 09/21/2001 8:41:59 AM PDT by dubyagee

I am a Christian, but even before this tragedy I was seriously disillusioned with the "church" as a whole. Where are the churches now?? Scrolling across the bottom of our television screens are names of companys and actors, who've donated millions of dollars to this cause. Where are the churches? Falwell and Robertson, where's the money?? Talk is cheap if action is not taken.

Firefighters, mayors, police, and the like have all been hailed as heroes. And rightly they are. But again I ask, where is the church? Is it out there, and we're just not hearing about it. Or is it truly still asleep after the wake-up call we've had?

If you've heard of anything the church has done through this, please post it here. I'd love to know the church is not as complacent in this time as it seems to be. Christ's church should be the light of the world all the time, but especially at a time like this....WHERE IS THE CHURCH?


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1 posted on 09/21/2001 8:41:59 AM PDT by dubyagee
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To: dubyagee
The Catholic Archdiocese of New York opened all its hospitals and other facilities for the treatment of the wounded and the housing of the displaced.

My parish and parishes around the country have taken up special collections to aid in the relief effort. Thousands of area Catholics (myself included) were exhorted from the pulpit to volunteer our time and money in solidarity with our priests, many of whom drove in from miles around to offer counseling.

Cardinal Egan of New York was on the scene of the disaster within 45 minutes with a gas mask on to help offer encouragement to the wounded and to assist EMT crews in evacuating victims.

I've also heard that many Baptist congregations from around the country have been sending volunteers, money and food. Given the media's ideology I am not surprised that I saw Jennifer Lopez' gift of $25K on the news while I saw no coverage of the Cardinal working with the rescuers throughout the night.

2 posted on 09/21/2001 8:52:07 AM PDT by wideawake
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To: dubyagee
My church is right across the street where it's always been, I can see it from here. Seems to have been full, often lately.
3 posted on 09/21/2001 8:53:31 AM PDT by ChadsDad
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To: dubyagee
Churches aren't quiet...most are simply satisfied to serve outside camera range.

Blessings!

Southern Baptist Disaster Relief: Sept. 20 cumulative status report
Sep 20, 2001
By Staff

Click to download Hi-Res Photo
Delivering help
Members of the Tennessee Baptist Convention's Disaster Relief team greet employees of UPS in New York City. The team from Tennessee is preparing food in the back parking lot of the UPS warehouse. Photo by Jim Veneman
ALPHARETTA, Ga. (BP)--Southern Baptist Disaster Relief volunteers continue as the major supplier of hot meals to the American Red Cross for distribution to search and rescue workers and others in New York City and Washington, D.C.

Volunteer chaplains and pastoral counselors also are at work alongside other Disaster Relief units and in a variety of other locations.

Following is the latest information regarding Southern Baptists' response as of 9 a.m., Sept.20:

Total Volunteer Days: 1,553

Meals prepared: 87,529

Locations and units activated:

-- Pentagon parking lot, Washington, D.C. North Carolina mobile kitchen.

-- New York Naval Shipyard, Brooklyn. Mobile kitchens from New York and
Virginia. Mobile shower unit from North Carolina.

-- United Parcel Service terminal, Manhattan. Mobile kitchen and shower unit from Tennessee.

-- City-owned warehouse, Brooklyn. Mobile kitchen from Kentucky, shower unit from Tennessee.

-- Raritan Baptist Church, Edison, N.J. Staging area for all incoming volunteers, staffed by a communication unit from Georgia.

-- Chaplains are assigned at various locations in New York, including the Comfort Center for family members of victims and the morgue adjacent to the World Trade Center site. Thirteen chaplains are currently in New York, including teams from South Carolina and Oklahoma.

-- Donors from 35 states have given more than $77,872 for the disaster relief, most of which has come from donations online at www.namb.net/dr. One hundred percent of those gifts will be used for disaster relief in the field, not for administration. Checks designated for Disaster Relief also may also be sent to NAMB by mail to P.O. Box 116543, Atlanta, GA 30368-6543. Phone inquiries may be directed to 1-888-440-6262.

The Southern Baptist Disaster Relief network, which includes more than 20,000 trained volunteers, is coordinated nationally by the North American Mission Board in cooperation with state Southern Baptist conventions. For more information and updates, visit www.namb.net/dr.
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(BP) photo posted in the BP Photo Library at http://www.bpnews.net. Photo title: DELIVERING HELP.

4 posted on 09/21/2001 8:56:29 AM PDT by Johnstone
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To: wideawake
$25,000 from Jennifer Lopez is like me giving a nickel. What a farce.
5 posted on 09/21/2001 8:57:03 AM PDT by Ipberg
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To: dubyagee
"Where are the churches? Falwell and Robertson, "

I believe that Falwell and Robertson delivered a message and promptly got creamed. People want to believe what makes them feel comfortable. Any other message falls on deaf ears.

6 posted on 09/21/2001 9:00:01 AM PDT by Don Myers
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To: wideawake
I read a POWERFUL article about a priest giving the last rites to dozens of firemen before they went in.
7 posted on 09/21/2001 9:00:54 AM PDT by RonDog
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To: ChadsDad
Seems to have been full, often lately.

That's a wonderful thing but....Falwell was quick to point out the flaws in America, of which I don't totally disagree, but was he as quick to pull out the checkbook? Robertson, Hagee, Copeland...have they coughed up the almighty dollar? I hope that they have. My hope is that a biased media simply doesn't choose to report what the church has given in time and money. But my fear is that it is otherwise......
8 posted on 09/21/2001 9:01:00 AM PDT by dubyagee
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To: dubyagee
I know of at least 4 churches in the NC Triangle area that have sent money to NY and DC. Churches have provided counceling for survivors and rescuers. The only coverage I have seen about the church involvment was on FOX News where a Baptist Minister was interviewed at Ground Hero. You should know, by now, that the main stream media is not going to give much coverage to Christians doing what we are lead to do. If you want to know what "The Church" is doing check locally. There is a Church from Sanford, NC taking baked goods, cards, letters etc. up to NY this weekend. This is for no other reason than to encourage the rescue workers. Jerry Falwell & Pat Robertson are leaders of individual ministries, but they are not "The Church". The Church is not an organization it is an Organism. It is made up of people with different talents and callings. If you have an itch and your right hand scratches it that does not diminish the foot or the back. They are all part of the same body. That is what the church is. Hope this clears up some of your misgivings.
9 posted on 09/21/2001 9:01:59 AM PDT by bibarnes
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To: dubyagee
I believe the local Churchs have done well. Here in Texas, the Baptist churchs are outstanding. I can't speak of other denominations as I do not attend them. THe real Church is alive and well and helping.
10 posted on 09/21/2001 9:02:25 AM PDT by Texas_Jarhead
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To: Johnstone
BUMP!
11 posted on 09/21/2001 9:03:37 AM PDT by RonDog
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To: dubyagee
The Salvation Army (to which I've donated $100) has been in the forefront of offering relief in this disaster. As of a couple of nights ago, TV news reported that the Sal Army folks had already served nearly a half-million meals to the rescue workers.
12 posted on 09/21/2001 9:04:27 AM PDT by ArcLight
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To: bibarnes
Format Correct?
13 posted on 09/21/2001 9:05:57 AM PDT by Leonard210
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To: dubyagee
Our church - the Episcopal Church is responding directly through its parishes in lower Manhattan - and through our National Church Disaster Relief fund.

I know a number of clergy who have been on site since the beginning of the attack both in DC and in NYC and who are quietly supporting the work being done.

Perhaps a number of Churches are heeding Jesus' words about not calling attention to your acts of kindness - so that others may praise you.

14 posted on 09/21/2001 9:06:56 AM PDT by waspguy
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To: dubyagee
I don't mind you asking that question, (I think it is healthy to ask ourselves questions such as that one). The church (Speaking of the church at large) has responded and is responding. My own denomination (Church of the Nazarene) is collecting money for the relief through "Nazarene compassionate ministries." The Salvation Army (Which, by the way is a church) is raising much money for the relief effort. Catholic Charities, I guarantee you will be there. Southern Baptists will be there.

I believe (No, I can't remember where I found this) that churches raise more money by far than all other charities.

I am a pastor and we will be taking an offering the next few weeks for this effort.

15 posted on 09/21/2001 9:07:21 AM PDT by MKJust
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To: dubyagee
Please don't take this as sarcasm, but... Where should the church be? Why aren't you there?
16 posted on 09/21/2001 9:07:37 AM PDT by foolish-one
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To: dubyagee
Our church - the Episcopal Church is responding directly through its parishes in lower Manhattan - and through our National Church Disaster Relief fund.

I know a number of clergy who have been on site since the beginning of the attack both in DC and in NYC and who are quietly supporting the work being done.

Perhaps a number of Churches are heeding Jesus' words about not calling attention to your acts of kindness - so that others may praise you.

17 posted on 09/21/2001 9:07:44 AM PDT by waspguy
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To: dubyagee
The Episcopal Church and its brethen, the Anglican Church had special services in most churches last week in memory of the victims and to denounce terrorism and the slaughter of innocents!

This Sunday in most Episcopal Churches was a followup. Letters from Bishops all of the world were read in our churches. These letters condemned terrorism and backed President Bush, his cabinet and the American people! The reading of letters from Bishops all over the world offering their support and sorrow was incredibly moving for all of us. There were no dry eyes during this part of the service! The choir and their director/organist led us in several patriotic songs/hymns!

I'm sure that some liberal Episcopal Bishops are not opening supporting President Bush and his cabinet in ending terrorism, but they are in the minority!

The only problem that I have is the bishops decided to send all of our donations to the Red Cross. I would have preferred contributing to the Bishops in the DC area and NY and then the money would be sent down to the local priests and vestry to use where it was really needed. However, we didn't argue, we wrote a check as most of our members did on this past Sunday! That money has been sent to the Red Cross and earmarked for relief work in NYC and the DC area!

A few members were a little upset with our bishop and priest asking all of us not to take out our anger on American Arabs. This has to be a constant message from our clergy to us!

That is where and how the American Episcopal Church has responded and the Anglicans in the rest of the World! As a conservative I was very pleased and impressed with our church's response!

18 posted on 09/21/2001 9:08:25 AM PDT by Grampa Dave
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To: All,Texas_Jarhead
I believe the local Churchs have done well.

So far, from the posts I've seen the local churches have done wonderfully. Maybe the big "corporation" churches will follow suit. It's very sad though, that the main item in the media has been Falwells ill-timed comment. It doesn't speak well of Christianity in general. Maybe I was out of line for posting this, but the silence has been deafening.
19 posted on 09/21/2001 9:08:47 AM PDT by dubyagee
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To: dubyagee
ALL Churches should be praying for GOD's protection in this time of tribulation. I am not a big fan of shouting your good works from the mountain top. GOD sees and THAT is ALL tht matters.
20 posted on 09/21/2001 9:09:08 AM PDT by marty60
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To: Texas_Jarhead
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21 posted on 09/21/2001 9:10:27 AM PDT by Admin Moderator
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To: dubyagee
Scrolling across the bottom of our television screens are names of companys and actors, who've donated millions of dollars to this cause. Where are the churches?

You have answered your own question. "Television" is opposed to Christianity and would hardly be expected to promote that which they oppose.

22 posted on 09/21/2001 9:12:21 AM PDT by Leonard210
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To: Admin Moderator
Thank you!
23 posted on 09/21/2001 9:13:14 AM PDT by RonDog
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To: Grampa Dave
The only problem that I have is the bishops decided to send all of our donations to the Red Cross. I would have preferred contributing to the Bishops in the DC area and NY and then the money would be sent down to the local priests and vestry to use where it was really needed.

I think this is a wonderful thing. This is what I'm talking about. The country is hurting right now, and giving the tithes to help that hurt is a wonderful thing. Right now, money talks. In my opinion, all churches should have done this same thing. Maybe not to the same organization, but to others like it. Give and it will be given unto you.
24 posted on 09/21/2001 9:15:11 AM PDT by dubyagee
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My church has maybe 150 people. On the Saturday after the event they hosted a TEAM simulcast at which 100 people from the community were present. They took up a collection and promised to turn the entire thing over to aid those hurt in the attack. They raised $5600. It all went. Sunday they turned over the entire collection again. I haven't heared yet how much.

This group doesn't have months of operating capital in the bank. They may go week to week with their budget. They didn't even slow down to think about what the giving might do to them. They just gave.

But even more, the Church is actually all those people who have been donating, going, helping, giving, sharing, caring. She will always be there.

The gates of Hell itself will never prevail against her.

Shalom.

25 posted on 09/21/2001 9:18:00 AM PDT by ArGee
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To: dubyagee
The Convoy of Hope is a part of the Assemblies of God. Here in Springfield today there is a "United We Stand" rally at the mall to raise donations and goods for Convoy of Hope to send needed aid to New York. It is being cosponsered by KSPR Channel 33 and KTTS radio. Below is the news release from Convoy of Hope's website.

CONVOY TEAM AT GROUND ZERO

Springfield, MO—Convoy of Hope staff continues to coordinate relief efforts in conjuction with local leaders in New York and Washington, D.C. Over the weekend COH staff encountered the devastation at ground zero first-hand. Mike Ennis, executive vice president for Convoy of Hope, said, “It is impossible to exaggerate the physical destruction and emotional toll this tragedy has had on the city.” Convoy of Hope has already delivered more than 122 tons of food and relief supplies to New York and Washington, D.C., but the work is far from over. At the request of local organizations and churches, Convoy of Hope is developing plans to assist the city for the next several months. On Monday, Ennis will return to New York along with Randy Rich, Convoy of Hope’s Vice President. Their objective for this trip is to be updated on the relief efforts and to assess the next phase of Convoy’s response. Convoy of Hope continues to encourage businesses and organizations wanting to make donations of food and supplies to contact their World Distribution Center logistics’ office to make arrangements for their donations. Individuals who would like to make a financial contribution to the relief efforts in New York and D.C. can donate directly on-line at www.convoyofhope.org or by calling Convoy of Hope’s World Distribution Center at (417) 823-8998. Convoy of Hope, an international compassion organization based out of Springfield, Missouri, ships millions of pounds of food and supplies across the country and around the world to disaster victims and hurting families.

26 posted on 09/21/2001 9:19:41 AM PDT by Anitius Severinus Boethius
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To: Ipberg
Why would you make fun of anyone doing anything positive? Just out of curiosity, did you give a nickel?
27 posted on 09/21/2001 9:20:55 AM PDT by foolish-one
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To: dubyagee
Falwell was quick to point out the flaws in America, of which I don't totally disagree, but was he as quick to pull out the checkbook?

I don't know. I do know that the whole time Falwell was leading the Moral Majority his Thomas Road Baptist Church was an example of Christ's love to the community. While he was out campaigning against abortion, for example, the TRBC was taking in unwed mothers and giving them everything they would need, free of charge, if they would agree to keep the child. You never saw that in the press, though.

I'm not calling Falwell perfect. And I'm not a shill, I've never sent him a dime. But the man is far more the man of G-d that he claims to be than he is the monster the media makes him out to be.

Shalom.

28 posted on 09/21/2001 9:23:35 AM PDT by ArGee
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To: RonDog
I don't know if you are talking about Father Mychal Judge, who lost his life while administering last rites after the disaster. He was a chaplain for a firefighting company in NY, and after his death, his body was carried back to the station house by those he served with. There is a very emotional picture of his body being carried by 5 men in the last issue of U.S. News and World Report. God surely has this man in his arms now.
29 posted on 09/21/2001 9:23:36 AM PDT by Okies love Dubya 2
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To: dubyagee
I think churches are doing plenty but not in the media's attention. That is not how they work as a rule. Seems to me though that everywhere you look on TV they are interviewing another cleric, another pastor, priest or chaplin asking what they are saying to folks they are counseling, and each one of them undoubtedly represents a church or ministry who is reaching out and helping in this crisis. Remember, the true church is not flashy but does God's work without desire for recognition. On a national level though the Salvation Army has been prominant in this relief effort.

Since you asked I will say that our church here, in Queens, NYC is doing several things. Our doors have been open for numerous prayer services and we have put big signs out informing passersby of this so anyone who wants to can come in. Whenever new people come in we make it a point to get connected with them if that is what they desire.

In addition, we have folks from our congregation who are counselors and we have been sending them to Manhattan to help counsel & show the love of Christ to the families and the workers who just need someone.

We have also established a fund to help the families of the lost firefighters, police officers and rescue workers. We are looking refer folks to longer term counseling when appropriate and providing names of such counselors. We have had many in our own congregation who were at or near the towers when they were hit and collapsed so there are a large number in our own church family who need this type of care as well.

I hope this helps to reassure you that the church is alive and well...in fact better than it's been in a while now that it has awakened! Please don't think that because you don't personally see it happening, that it's not. God rewards those who work in secret. :0)

30 posted on 09/21/2001 9:30:42 AM PDT by WomanofStandard
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To: All, WomanofStandard
I hope this helps to reassure you that the church is alive and well...in fact better than it's been in a while now that it has awakened! Please don't think that because you don't personally see it happening, that it's not. God rewards those who work in secret.

Most of the posts on here have reassured me. Thanks for the replies. I should of known better than to expect information from the media on this.
31 posted on 09/21/2001 9:38:13 AM PDT by dubyagee
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To: RonDog
Do you recall where you read it? I love to read and pass on inspiring stories, especially at this time.
32 posted on 09/21/2001 9:40:19 AM PDT by pbear8
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To: pbear8, RonDog
NYC Firefighters bury their Chaplain
33 posted on 09/21/2001 9:47:36 AM PDT by Cagey
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To: dubyagee
The church, the bride of Christ, knows not country. She serves a king.
She is serving and worshipping her king, calling on people to repent.
Sharing with the poor, taking care of widows and orphans and proclaiming the Gospel.
The church has no business participating in publicity stunts, or spin.
For she knows what happened in NY is nothing compared to what’s coming.
For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities,
against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms.
Eph 6:12

34 posted on 09/21/2001 9:54:05 AM PDT by DaveyB
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To: Cagey
Thanks Cagey.

One of our best friends is a priest and he is so sorry that it took something this horrible for the media to present a fair and balanced protrait of Catholic priests.

35 posted on 09/21/2001 10:00:50 AM PDT by pbear8
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To: pbear8
The Methodist church a la hillory clinton---communist-lesbian causes only--esp Cuban-castro suck ups---totally plo-taliban!
36 posted on 09/21/2001 10:08:18 AM PDT by f.Christian
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To: pbear8
The media has to sell papers, so the few bad apples are the ones that make headlines.

The vast majority of Catholic Priests would have done exactly as Father Judge did. You can bet the vast majority of American Clergy would have done exactly as this man did.

37 posted on 09/21/2001 10:14:22 AM PDT by Cagey
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To: f.Christian Admin Moderator
I did a self search and saw a couple of responses to my post #10 but when I came to read them, they are missing. WHat happened? What did I miss? Did they get pulled? Did I miss someone flaming me or what?
38 posted on 09/21/2001 10:15:28 AM PDT by Texas_Jarhead
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To: RonDog
What happened? I missed it.
39 posted on 09/21/2001 10:16:15 AM PDT by Texas_Jarhead
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To: wideawake
Southern Baptists are providing most of the meals passed out by the Red Cross at ground zero, and our missionaries have gone to help in the relief effort as well. The church is active, but works behind the scenes.
40 posted on 09/21/2001 10:16:57 AM PDT by DittoJed2
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To: dubyagee
My church is on West 7th Street.
41 posted on 09/21/2001 10:20:28 AM PDT by oldvike
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To: Texas_Jarhead
Yeah the church of the totally socialist secular state--red-swaztica armbands---janet reemos(link) will be infiltrating all aspects of relief efforts blaming republicans--christians-jews!
42 posted on 09/21/2001 10:24:45 AM PDT by f.Christian
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To: dubyagee
The church is twofold. It is an organization and it is Christians of all denominations.

First, look at your community. Befere 9/11 were there not many religous-based compassionate ministries, such as hospitals, clinics, soup kitchens, and thrift shops?

Second is the response of individuals. Some people contribute just because they are good and decent, but many do it because they reflect the love of Jesus Christ.

There church is very much in the forefront. The church isn't always easily recognizable.

43 posted on 09/21/2001 10:25:29 AM PDT by CFIIIMEIATP737
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To: Cagey
As for the first, I'm afraid that you are soooo right.

As for the second, I am soooo glad that you are right.

44 posted on 09/21/2001 10:35:01 AM PDT by pbear8
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To: Texas_Jarhead
11-20 are missing---html mixup...sometimes refresh-reload can pull them back up!
45 posted on 09/21/2001 10:40:13 AM PDT by f.Christian
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To: CFIIIMEIATP737
The church is twofold. It is an organization and it is Christians of all denominations.

Unfortunately, now a days, concentration tends to be more on the organization, than the cause of the organization.
46 posted on 09/21/2001 10:44:06 AM PDT by dubyagee
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To: oldvike
The World at it's worst needs the Church at it's best.
47 posted on 09/21/2001 11:06:30 AM PDT by ChadsDad
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To: dubyagee
Since you have been away from the "church" how can you say the church is not active? We've been praying, donating money and blood. As you know the press/media/world hate Jesus Christ, but believe you me He is at work. Church attendance was at an all time high last Sunday. Just like the president said "You are either for us, or against us. Get on board will ya Brother. I suggest you find a God fearing, evangelical church fast!

Shalom,

DrMike

48 posted on 09/21/2001 11:16:16 AM PDT by STD
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To: DaveyB
"Nothing compared to what is to come" You got that right!

Shalom,

DrMike

49 posted on 09/21/2001 11:24:56 AM PDT by STD
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To: dubyagee
The Church always thrives in the face of adversity. It's out there, it's working at all levels, from praying to collecting money to sending volunteers. We just don't see it and that's as it should be.
50 posted on 09/21/2001 11:27:16 AM PDT by TexanaRED
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