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Get Ready for Twenty World Trade Center Bombings (A MUST READ interview from 1997)
Middle East Forum ^ | June 1997 | Steven Emerson

Posted on 09/22/2001 6:16:00 AM PDT by Bull Man

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To: Travis McGee
BTTT!
101 posted on 09/23/2001 12:15:46 PM PDT by headsonpikes
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To: Travis McGee, RJayneJ, Nick Danger
To understand why Islamic fundamentalists of a religion in which believers claim repeatedly is "peaceful" are turning more and more to violence, one needs to consider that the Koran forbids men from holding so-called "menial" jobs such as performing a repetitive assembly-line task, and forbids women from being employed outside the house or of being educated.

This is part of why we have seen no new inventions come from the Middle-East since Arabic numerals (i.e., pre-Islamic fundamentalist).

Islam, as a fundamentalist religion, is incompatible with the modern world. They can't have manufacturing plants when their religion forbids them from staffing said plants. They certainly can't handle the modern role of women in information-based or industrial-based societies.

Frustrated by the advance of the modern world, they are lashing out with violence. All of societies' ills such as prostitution, graphic magazines, drunkeness, et al are blamed on our modern cultures, as if those age-old problems hadn't been around in earlier civilizations.

Fundamentalist Islam is engaged in a life and death struggle with the modern world. Women who can become educated, show their faces in public, and hold jobs threaten the very core of Muslim beliefs. Either they shut down or change modern society, or else their religion is doomed to becoming non-fundamentalist.

So are radicals associated with Islam going to resort to more violence in the future? I can't see that they think that they have any other option...

102 posted on 09/23/2001 12:32:11 PM PDT by Southack
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To: Southack
Good and interesting points.

Also do not discount the negative effects of institutional polygamy, which permits the rich and powerful to take many wives, leaving the poor and less powerful with no women to marry.

This system can only be enforced in the long term in a tyranny, and by giving the frustrated womenless young men a target to channel their frustration and anger against.

103 posted on 09/23/2001 1:08:40 PM PDT by Travis McGee
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To: Bull Man
Fascinating, and terrifying.

Doctors, lawyers, and CEO's giving money to terrorist organizations? The ban on assassinations cannot be lifted soon enough for my taste.

We need the power to freeze the assets of people who are giving money to terrorists. We need public campaigns to inform their shareholders, patients, and clients of where their money is going. We need to publicly associate groups like CAIR with the murderers and jihadists they support.

104 posted on 09/23/2001 1:32:58 PM PDT by cicero's_son
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To: Bull Man
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106 posted on 09/23/2001 6:33:38 PM PDT by Anthem
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To: Southack
Thanks for the heads up! };^D)
107 posted on 09/23/2001 7:56:02 PM PDT by RJayneJ
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To: Travis McGee
btt
108 posted on 09/24/2001 8:23:45 AM PDT by harpseal
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To: Kaj,Ankaboot,harpseal
I've heard hundreds of muslims and muslim religious leaders disowning bin Laden and rejecting his actions.

Can you name any clerics of national stature outside of the USA who have done so, and exactly how they have condemned Osama and his false Fatwa?

To blaspheme the name of Allah by issuing a false Fatwa calling on all Moslems to commit sin in the name of Allah must surely be worthy of a Fatwa against Osama the Blasphemer, should it not?

Where is the Fatwa against Osama? Who has issued it?

If there is no Fatwa against Osama the Blasphemer, then the silence of the national mullahs must be seen as quiet acceptance of Osama's Fatwa.

109 posted on 09/24/2001 8:37:04 AM PDT by Travis McGee
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To: Travis McGee
If there is no Fatwa against Osama the Blasphemer, then the silence of the national mullahs must be seen as quiet acceptance of Osama's Fatwa.

I believe it was Sir Thomas Moore who stated silence must be taken as assent. IMHO the question, "Is Ossama the Mahdi?" is sitting in the back of many of the followers of Islam. Some already believe him to be even though he has not yet claimed it so. This whole thing has a long way to go and we certainly do not yet know who large our opposition will be.

Stay well - Stay safe - Stay armed - Yorktown

110 posted on 09/24/2001 10:34:29 AM PDT by harpseal
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To: harpseal
That is indeed the question: to millions of moslems, "Is Osama the Mahdi"?

I think that he wants to be, and all of this is part of a carefully crafted plan.

If that is the case, then he has spent years preparing his E&E routes, including numerous prepared cave-bunkers, the use of doubles and false vehicle convoys etc.

If we make it our announced aim to kill or capture Osama, and he continues to launch attacks and thumb his nose at our power, then his stature will fly through the stratosphere with radical moslems worldwide.

111 posted on 09/24/2001 12:43:47 PM PDT by Travis McGee
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To: Travis McGee
I think that he wants to be, and all of this is part of a carefully crafted plan.

I very much agree and I would point out that it makes it imperative that he be pursued quietly and relentlessly. The emphasis is on the quietly.

If that is the case, then he has spent years preparing his E&E routes, including numerous prepared cave-bunkers, the use of doubles and false vehicle convoys etc.

This is the most likely eventuallity regardless but if we do not get him soon then we will face an ever increasing Islamic rising based upon his fufillment of "the prophecy."

If we make it our announced aim to kill or capture Osama, and he continues to launch attacks and thumb his nose at our power, then his stature will fly through the stratosphere with radical moslems worldwide.

Agreed. the question is now in their minds. He has not said he is not the Mahdi and he has struck the USA a very hard blow. If he gets away with it then the Fatwah he has issued gains legitamacy in the minds of ever more. He has not been universally denouced in the Islamic world so he has legitamacy from that.

Even wthout announcing our aim is the capture/killing of Ossama we are almost in that box of needing to or facing a much wider war. The average Muslim looks at the USA and says that if the situation were reversed then that would be one of our aims so in one sense it doesn't matter. One may be certain that this was involved in the original planning of the attack. Bin ladden may well be inaccessable to the Taliban now for all I know. He and they would score propaganda points from his disappearing from Afganistan and his network surviving and striking again with him giving an interview to some reporter. Said interview would air on some American station and his legend would be magnified throughout Islam.

We are in for a hell of a ride IMHO.

Stay wel - stay safe - Stay armed - Yorktown

112 posted on 09/24/2001 1:05:39 PM PDT by harpseal
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To: Bull Man
BUMP
113 posted on 09/27/2001 2:03:29 PM PDT by 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub
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To: Bull Man
BTTT!
114 posted on 10/16/2001 12:51:34 PM PDT by eazdzit
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To: eazdzit; Bull Man
December 7th BuMp
116 posted on 12/07/2001 6:12:36 AM PST by It'salmosttolate
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To: Bull Man
bttt
117 posted on 12/10/2001 3:18:27 AM PST by LiberteeBell
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To: LiberteeBell
Don't know how I missed this thread, but IMHO this ought to be an eternal bump, at least until this genie is back in the lamp and the lamp sent to the crusher, and the crematorium.
118 posted on 12/10/2001 5:01:07 AM PST by wita
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To: wita
LOL! I agree.
119 posted on 12/10/2001 4:17:23 PM PST by LiberteeBell
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To: Bull Man
bttt
121 posted on 12/20/2001 9:21:53 PM PST by Travis McGee
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To: It'salmosttolate; Prodigal Daughter; shaggy eel; klee; ChaseR; Thinkin' Gal; Kevin Curry
New Year bump.  Diversity, pluralism, toleration, ecumenicalism and infiltration are the enemy's tools of the trade.
122 posted on 01/04/2002 4:21:50 AM PST by 2sheep
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To: 2sheep
Nothing quite like being attacked from within, yeah 2sheep?

Thanks for the ping

123 posted on 01/04/2002 8:47:56 AM PST by klee
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To: Bull Man
Bump!!
124 posted on 01/04/2002 9:11:40 AM PST by horsewhispersc
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To: I am still Casey
Do they truly believe that instilling fear alone is enough to control millions of people?

Amazingly enough, yes. At least historically.

I believe it was the final attempt at the assault on Vienna that the Caliph and several hundred thousand troops actually camped out for months assuming that numbers alone would intimidate the infidels and force a surrender.
The entire harem was there, of course as well as mind boggling luxuries.

When the Christian fighters finally arrived and charged out to face an army several times its size, the Macho Muslims couldn't ride away fast enough, and left a huge amount of supplies and weapons behind (plus the beheaded favorite concubine, who decided she didn't want to go back)

So, yeah. Posturing and bluster have always been tools of the Macho Muslim Mass Murderers.

125 posted on 02/19/2002 3:00:54 PM PST by Publius6961
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To: Publius6961
Look at how the "Arab street" postured and blustered before we went into Afghanistan. It didn't take long for them to shut up. Completely. Now the bluster is starting again. "The USA better not attack Iraq or the Arabs will..."

The Arabs will what?

The Arabs will nothing. The only thing the Arabs can ever do is blind-side innocents with murderous surprise. They can't actually fight a war. They can't actually win a confrontation.

They can hit and run. Or hit and die. But they are not at all a power in the traditional sense.

It doesn't mean we should be complacent... because these thugs want WMDs and will probably get them. It does mean that we should show no fear, and that we should go out and proactively kill terrorists and their supporters deftly, efficiently and often.

126 posted on 02/21/2002 1:58:31 AM PST by samtheman
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To: wita
"Don't know how I missed this thread, but IMHO this ought to be an eternal bump, at least until this genie is back in the lamp and the lamp sent to the crusher, and the crematorium." Bttt!
127 posted on 03/06/2002 5:02:17 PM PST by monkeywrench
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To: monkeywrench
bump bump
128 posted on 05/24/2002 8:57:33 PM PDT by lonestar
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To: Bull Man
bttt
129 posted on 05/24/2002 9:21:25 PM PDT by Don Myers
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To: Bull Man; JohnHuang2
read bump
130 posted on 05/25/2002 5:25:19 AM PDT by lonestar
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To: lonestar
FYI, press. What took them so long to start asking questions...years too long?

American laws make this country the freest in the world -- which is precisely what attracts foreign militants to come here. The FBI labors under serious restrictions that prevents it -- unless there is evidence of specific criminality -- from monitoring groups who advocate violence or other extremist policies. These groups know about the FBI's limitations and take advantage of them. They also take advantage of the fact that they are nearly impervious to infiltration by the authorities, speaking foreign languages and living in a different cultural universe. Living here benefits them in other ways too: modern technology makes it possible for them to spread ideas via faxes and the Internet all over the world, and instantly to transfer monies and give instructions.

131 posted on 05/28/2002 3:35:53 PM PDT by Ragtime Cowgirl
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To: Complacent Sheeple; belmont_mark
BUMP
132 posted on 07/19/2002 11:32:32 PM PDT by Orion78
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To: Interesting Times
Indeed.....
133 posted on 07/19/2002 11:35:14 PM PDT by rwfromkansas
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To: Bull Man
Reading this, puts TIPS in perspective.
You're either with America or against America.
134 posted on 07/20/2002 12:50:34 AM PDT by swheats
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To: swheats

bttt


135 posted on 11/24/2006 11:02:10 PM PST by AmeriBrit (Soros and Clinton's for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington = SCREW.)
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