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THE PACIFIST DELUSION
New York Post ^ | GreatOne | THOMAS SOWELL

Posted on 09/22/2001 7:46:46 AM PDT by GreatOne

Edited on 05/26/2004 5:00:53 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

MOST Americans seem to understand the gravity of the situation that terrorism has put us in - and the need for some serious military response, even if that means dangers to the lives of us all. But some still insist on posturing while on the edge of a volcano.


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TOPICS: Editorial; Front Page News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: pacifist; peace
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Brilliant, as usual.
1 posted on 09/22/2001 7:46:46 AM PDT by GreatOne
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To: GreatOne
Bookmarked.
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2 posted on 09/22/2001 7:56:35 AM PDT by ppaul
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To: GreatOne all
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3 posted on 09/22/2001 7:57:34 AM PDT by ppaul
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To: GreatOne
"All we are saying, is give peace a chance ... "

What ignorant rot! What is needed is a tightly-focused war, and when our enemies are vanquished, a modest present-day Marshall Plan to help those countries build stable and peace-loving democracies.

4 posted on 09/22/2001 7:58:03 AM PDT by AngrySpud
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To: GreatOne
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5 posted on 09/22/2001 7:59:03 AM PDT by Chapita
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To: ppaul
BUMP!!
6 posted on 09/22/2001 8:01:48 AM PDT by George Frm Br00klyn Park
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To: AngrySpud
Good post! You are so right, and that we will. The plans are ready and waiting for the right moment.

The Taliban are digging their grave deeper by the day and it won't be difficult to justify the use of force. The end result will be the liberation of the Afghany people that have been supressed by the ruthless Taliban. (put that in your pipe and smoke it you brain-dead pacifist pond-scum)

7 posted on 09/22/2001 8:05:47 AM PDT by PSYCHO-FREEP
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To: GreatOne
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8 posted on 09/22/2001 8:07:55 AM PDT by Travis McGee
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To: PSYCHO-FREEP
Neville Chamberlain was still despised by the extreme leftist-pacifists of his day by threatening to declare war if Hitler invaded Poland, then following through on the threat. According to their way of thinking, Poland was merely being restored to its pre-World War I status (split between Russia and Germany) and England had no right to interfer.
9 posted on 09/22/2001 8:12:23 AM PDT by Vigilanteman
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To: Travis McGee
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10 posted on 09/22/2001 8:16:06 AM PDT by AwareTexan
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To: GreatOne
I have often wondered how the pacifists of the 1930's would have acted if their views had been adopted. Would they have formed straight lines on the way to the gas chambers?
11 posted on 09/22/2001 8:26:44 AM PDT by The Great RJ
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To: GreatOne
It is very disheartening to see college students (whose parents are shelling out tons of money) holding "teach ins" and "peace rallys." It reminds me of that Tom Petty song "Into the Great Wide Open" whose refrain is "A Rebel withour a Clue."

Such empty minds--full of idealism and void of rational thought. Minds that cannot even weigh moral choices and concepts. They can only shout, hope to feel superior, and hide their cowardice behind alleged intellect.

12 posted on 09/22/2001 8:27:06 AM PDT by SkyPilot
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To: GreatOne
First came the resurrection of bellbottoms and platform shoes. Could the PeaceNiks have been far behind?

We should understand the "alienation" and "sense of grievance" against us by various people in the Middle East.

I can hear Al Gore saying this in my head, followed by pleas to light candles, hold hands, and sing chorus after chorus of "Give Peace A Chance".

Thankfully the "grownups" are now in charge.

13 posted on 09/22/2001 8:28:39 AM PDT by I am still Casey
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To: GreatOne
Great article.

Pacifists don't seem to realize that peace can only come about when the rights of individuals are protected, and the inherent dignity of humanity is respected. The terrorists show no regard for other human beings. This threat must be stomped out in order for peace to exist. Peace is a by-product of protection, not simply an alternative to war. My two cents.
15 posted on 09/22/2001 8:33:27 AM PDT by Gelato
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To: GreatOne
But seriously folks, if we all join hands and wish really hard maybe these terrorists will go away and all of this will be just a bad dream.(sarcasm/)
16 posted on 09/22/2001 8:38:36 AM PDT by alaskanfan
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To: SkyPilot
The total lack of understanding from these buffoons is sickening. Round them all up and put them on planes to Afganistan and let them find out for themselves what their views will accomplish. After a few of them are slaughtered by the Taliban, maybe they will see the emptiness of their beliefs.
17 posted on 09/22/2001 8:39:50 AM PDT by SCHROLL
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To: SCHROLL
I imagine Sowell is referring to Andrew Young, Carter's buffoon at the UN. After leaving diplomacy Young supported the Nicaraguan Marxists through his contacts with the Bank of Credit and Commerce International -- A Pakistani-dominated bank. Carter himself often flew in a BCCI plane, despite warnings he received that the bank was corrupt and that he was being used.
18 posted on 09/22/2001 8:57:39 AM PDT by gaspar
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To: Gelato
You're right, these pacifists on college campuses are myopic. They don't understand what they're doing or the complexity of the situation at hand. They're doing it because it feels good.
19 posted on 09/22/2001 9:03:09 AM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist
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To: GreatOne
Anyone who is a pacifist should be viciously attacked.
20 posted on 09/22/2001 9:06:37 AM PDT by Lazamataz
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To: GreatOne
The pacifists are motivated by several factors. Some hate their country on idealogial basis, and want their country defeated for the good of their ideology.

Some are frightened of war, and fear for their life and property.

Some are paid agent provacateurs of the enemy, paid to stir up public discord.

All of them need to be roundly condemned and detested, and actively opposed by all necessary means.

Giving aid and comfort to the enemy at time of war will not be tolerated.

21 posted on 09/22/2001 9:08:53 AM PDT by imperator2
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To: GreatOne
See the original Star Trek (Season One) episode "The City on the Edge of Forever".

Says it all.

22 posted on 09/22/2001 9:09:01 AM PDT by Illbay
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To: AngrySpud
""All we are saying, is give peace a chance ... ""

Weren't we 'at peace' on September 11, 2001? Was that not giving 'peace a chance'? Are these people cowards (prolly) or just stupid (certainly)?

They maintain we must understand their (radical muslim terrorist) ideas and accept them. Well, my friends, if someone has ideas that indiscriminate murder is OK, must I understand that idea and accept murder. Will they accept it should I decide that raping his pretty daughter is "acceptable" to me? I think not. They should be shouted down and, should that prove ineffective, taken down!

23 posted on 09/22/2001 9:13:53 AM PDT by K7TNW
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To: GreatOne
Thank you.
24 posted on 09/22/2001 9:20:00 AM PDT by headsonpikes
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To: GreatOne
..."What a shame our schools and colleges neglect history, which could save us from continuing to repeat the idiocies of the past, which are even more dangerous now in a nuclear age."

Right on the money!!

The history of the Arab/Jew conflict is of course politically incorrect, it would disclose atrocities from many nations that have tried, time immemorial, to extinguish the rights of others. Had the last three generations been properly educated, they might be able to straighten some of this hostility out...not sit around feeling sorry and guilty according to some pacifist belief or worse yet, sit-com only knowledge.

The dumbing down of America is due to social engineering and socialist/Marxist...keep them from learning and we will rule the earth!

25 posted on 09/22/2001 9:25:56 AM PDT by yoe (yoe)
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To: AngrySpud
"All we are saying, is give peace a chance ... "

Counter chant, "Been there, done that..."

26 posted on 09/22/2001 9:27:29 AM PDT by TheDon
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To: GreatOne
Appeasers march to the drumbeat of delusion and under the Yellow Flag of Cowardice.
27 posted on 09/22/2001 9:29:07 AM PDT by Guillam
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To: Illbay
"...See the original Star Trek (Season One) episode "The City on the Edge of Forever". Says it all..."

Says a lot, at least. Of course, fans of the show and its positive vision of the future have been derided for the past 35 years. Given the national mood today, I would expect that to increase.

Harlan Ellison (a brilliant writer who seems perpetually pissed off - possibly it's the crux of his creativity) said that after Desilu Productions and NBC were finished with his teleplay, it resembled a "thalidomide baby."

But the gist of it came through. Kirk, having been transported to early 1930's Earth, falls in love with a woman (played by Joan Collins, when she could still inspire palpitations.) But he and Spock are there to find a drug-crazed McCoy, who, it is found, had profoundly changed world history by saving the life of Kirk's new-found love.

Had she not been run over in the street, she would have founded a pacifist movement, delaying U.S. entry into WWII until Hitler had the Bomb and a delivery system. HE WASN'T STOPPED SOON ENOUGH and the world paid a terrible price that rippled into the 23rd Century. Spaceflight never developed.

Today, the parallel is obvious. There is no "soon enough." There is only "now," and the hope that it's not too late.

Go, Mr. President, go.

28 posted on 09/22/2001 9:46:14 AM PDT by ihatemyalarmclock
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To: Gelato
Freedom comes at the point of a gun. Not "give peace a chance". Peace will come after the threat is destroyed.
29 posted on 09/22/2001 9:51:25 AM PDT by proudofthesouth
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To: GreatOne
These dilusional people just don't understand. Their words fall on deaf ears. I could preach, and scream, and yell, and "kick, spit, and bite at the air", and it would not penetrate the thick skulls of these people. WE HAVE NO CHOICE!!! WE MUST FIGHT, AND FIGHT TO WIN! If we don't, we will be destroyed and so will our way of life. If they want to stand there with their hands behind their backs, FINE. For me, the choice is to lock & load! Sure, I may die but I'll take a hell-of-a-lot of the ememy with me!

It may be that these idiots lack the tactile response of survival, I don't know. We can thank the loving God above that they are the minority.

Fight on Patriots and ignore the distant whisper of the coward.

When I faced my first battle in Viet Nam I said a little prayer. "Dear God in Heaven......don't let me run...make me fight, and take my soul if I die, but don't let me run"! I didn't run...........Thank you God! I just wonder, how many times He has heard THAT prayer??

30 posted on 09/22/2001 9:55:04 AM PDT by timydnuc
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To: timydnuc
Jim Reed's Voices Of The World Speech Against Pacisfism
31 posted on 09/22/2001 10:09:33 AM PDT by Ohioan
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To: GreatOne
BUMP!
32 posted on 09/22/2001 10:12:25 AM PDT by FReethesheeples
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To: GreatOne
By hiding behind the "Ideal" of Pacifism,they can avoid the self loathing that would come with facing the truth!

Pacifism,is nothing more than the rationalization of cowardice!

33 posted on 09/22/2001 10:22:03 AM PDT by NYCON
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To: GreatOne

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34 posted on 09/22/2001 10:46:22 AM PDT by mfulstone
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To: GreatOne
There is an old saying: "Those, who do not understand history, are doomed to repeat it." I believe the author was Santanya.

History has shown that pacifism does not work. No one wants a war, but the only way to stop the atrocities of monsters like Hitler, Osama bin Ladin, and Sodamned Insane is to eliminate the monsters.

Chamberlain is remembered as a mental defective for his appeasement to Hitler.

35 posted on 09/22/2001 12:15:37 PM PDT by punster
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To: ihatemyalarmclock
Thanks for the explanation. I had written up a reply of several paragraphs then somehow FR hiccupped and it got deleted before it posted, so I just threw that one-liner up instead of writing it all over again. (I even put in the bit about Harlan Ellison--isn't it a fact that he seemed perpetually p*ssed off as you say?)

You said everything I wanted to say. Thanks.

36 posted on 09/22/2001 12:59:02 PM PDT by Illbay
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To: ihatemyalarmclock
I forget - what were the major changes from Harlan's original script. Also, is the original script available anywhere on the net?
37 posted on 09/22/2001 1:19:41 PM PDT by GreatOne
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To: GreatOne
Waaaaa!

You've robbed me of my wallet, but please, don't make me fight! Just take my purse too!


38 posted on 09/22/2001 1:27:17 PM PDT by Coyote
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..."What a shame our schools and colleges neglect history, which could save us from continuing to repeat the idiocies of the past, which are even more dangerous now in a nuclear age."

And THIS, not the lunatic, anti-American ravings of Gloria Steinham or Jane Fonda, are the root cause behind the reason they attacked us. Like all predators, the Jihad mentality preys on women and feeble minded men, and ANY ONE ELSE they perceive as frail, even if it's only a MORAL weakness they're convinced they see in us.


39 posted on 09/22/2001 1:32:02 PM PDT by Coyote
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To: GreatOne
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40 posted on 09/22/2001 1:32:56 PM PDT by Nuke'm Glowing
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To: GreatOne
I wish there was a way to send the peaceniks and pacifists to Afghanistan and Iraq now and let them try their methods on our opponents. Let them put their money where their mouths are, they can try to talk with the enemy and share their pacifism and love. They might not all get killed but it'll give them something to do and get them out of our way.
41 posted on 09/22/2001 1:38:49 PM PDT by FITZ
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To: GreatOne
We need to unify our counter protest efforts against these defeatist jerks, please jion us at the thread Unite NOW to Fight the Commie Peaceniks, authored by freeper The Right Stuff
44 posted on 09/22/2001 1:50:01 PM PDT by nomad
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This time it's different. The pacifists are so small a minority that they have no impact, other than to harden most of this great nation's resolve.

I truely believe that the public will revile these pathetic sniveling creatures for what they are. There is something different in the air this time.

As soon as our troops act, that spirit will increase and the President's popularity will soar to even bigger heights.

45 posted on 09/22/2001 1:59:35 PM PDT by PSYCHO-FREEP
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To: GreatOne
"It has always seemed to me that in dealing with foreign countries we do not give ourselves a chance of success unless we try to understand their mentality, which is not always the same as our own, and it really is astonishing to contemplate how the identically same facts are regarded from two different angles."

I've followed Chamberlain's advice -- I have sought to understand the mentality of the terrorists, and and I have come to understand that they are so bug-eyed insane that the only way to deal with them is to kill them all.

46 posted on 09/22/2001 2:01:06 PM PDT by Dan Day
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I have sought to understand the mentality of the terrorists

Yes, a truely symbolic maneuver used by most pacifists.

The more we understand, the more reasons we find to exterminate the terrorists.

Looking for an excuse for why the terrorists murdered thousands of peaceful people is not exactly a pacifist ideal. It's more of an accessory to the act....

47 posted on 09/22/2001 2:11:46 PM PDT by PSYCHO-FREEP
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To: GreatOne
Don't so-called 'pacifists' realize that in time of war, weakness invites aggression?

These people live in ideology, not reality. You'd think the reality of the deaths of thousands of Americans would wake them up, but no. It must not have sunk in yet. These people have no common sense at all.

48 posted on 09/22/2001 3:20:30 PM PDT by pray4liberty
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To: boston_liberty
You went to college? Sure wouldn't know it from the way you put sentences together. Or from the unnessesary capitalization or spelling errors. And your puncuation is abysmal.

Of course, you're supposed to learn all that stuff before you go to college.

49 posted on 09/22/2001 3:55:56 PM PDT by Bullish
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To: PSYCHO-FREEP
Only extreme hate can understand extreme hate.

If the "pacifist" can understand the terrorist's extreme hate well then...

50 posted on 09/22/2001 4:09:42 PM PDT by DB
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