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THE PACIFIST DELUSION
New York Post ^ | GreatOne | THOMAS SOWELL

Posted on 09/22/2001 7:46:46 AM PDT by GreatOne

Edited on 05/26/2004 5:00:53 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

MOST Americans seem to understand the gravity of the situation that terrorism has put us in - and the need for some serious military response, even if that means dangers to the lives of us all. But some still insist on posturing while on the edge of a volcano.


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TOPICS: Editorial; Front Page News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: pacifist; peace
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To: GreatOne
The pacifists are motivated by several factors. Some hate their country on idealogial basis, and want their country defeated for the good of their ideology.

Some are frightened of war, and fear for their life and property.

Some are paid agent provacateurs of the enemy, paid to stir up public discord.

All of them need to be roundly condemned and detested, and actively opposed by all necessary means.

Giving aid and comfort to the enemy at time of war will not be tolerated.

21 posted on 09/22/2001 9:08:53 AM PDT by imperator2
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To: GreatOne
See the original Star Trek (Season One) episode "The City on the Edge of Forever".

Says it all.

22 posted on 09/22/2001 9:09:01 AM PDT by Illbay
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To: AngrySpud
""All we are saying, is give peace a chance ... ""

Weren't we 'at peace' on September 11, 2001? Was that not giving 'peace a chance'? Are these people cowards (prolly) or just stupid (certainly)?

They maintain we must understand their (radical muslim terrorist) ideas and accept them. Well, my friends, if someone has ideas that indiscriminate murder is OK, must I understand that idea and accept murder. Will they accept it should I decide that raping his pretty daughter is "acceptable" to me? I think not. They should be shouted down and, should that prove ineffective, taken down!

23 posted on 09/22/2001 9:13:53 AM PDT by K7TNW
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To: GreatOne
Thank you.
24 posted on 09/22/2001 9:20:00 AM PDT by headsonpikes
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To: GreatOne
..."What a shame our schools and colleges neglect history, which could save us from continuing to repeat the idiocies of the past, which are even more dangerous now in a nuclear age."

Right on the money!!

The history of the Arab/Jew conflict is of course politically incorrect, it would disclose atrocities from many nations that have tried, time immemorial, to extinguish the rights of others. Had the last three generations been properly educated, they might be able to straighten some of this hostility out...not sit around feeling sorry and guilty according to some pacifist belief or worse yet, sit-com only knowledge.

The dumbing down of America is due to social engineering and socialist/Marxist...keep them from learning and we will rule the earth!

25 posted on 09/22/2001 9:25:56 AM PDT by yoe (yoe)
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To: AngrySpud
"All we are saying, is give peace a chance ... "

Counter chant, "Been there, done that..."

26 posted on 09/22/2001 9:27:29 AM PDT by TheDon
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To: GreatOne
Appeasers march to the drumbeat of delusion and under the Yellow Flag of Cowardice.
27 posted on 09/22/2001 9:29:07 AM PDT by Guillam
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To: Illbay
"...See the original Star Trek (Season One) episode "The City on the Edge of Forever". Says it all..."

Says a lot, at least. Of course, fans of the show and its positive vision of the future have been derided for the past 35 years. Given the national mood today, I would expect that to increase.

Harlan Ellison (a brilliant writer who seems perpetually pissed off - possibly it's the crux of his creativity) said that after Desilu Productions and NBC were finished with his teleplay, it resembled a "thalidomide baby."

But the gist of it came through. Kirk, having been transported to early 1930's Earth, falls in love with a woman (played by Joan Collins, when she could still inspire palpitations.) But he and Spock are there to find a drug-crazed McCoy, who, it is found, had profoundly changed world history by saving the life of Kirk's new-found love.

Had she not been run over in the street, she would have founded a pacifist movement, delaying U.S. entry into WWII until Hitler had the Bomb and a delivery system. HE WASN'T STOPPED SOON ENOUGH and the world paid a terrible price that rippled into the 23rd Century. Spaceflight never developed.

Today, the parallel is obvious. There is no "soon enough." There is only "now," and the hope that it's not too late.

Go, Mr. President, go.

28 posted on 09/22/2001 9:46:14 AM PDT by ihatemyalarmclock
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To: Gelato
Freedom comes at the point of a gun. Not "give peace a chance". Peace will come after the threat is destroyed.
29 posted on 09/22/2001 9:51:25 AM PDT by proudofthesouth
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To: GreatOne
These dilusional people just don't understand. Their words fall on deaf ears. I could preach, and scream, and yell, and "kick, spit, and bite at the air", and it would not penetrate the thick skulls of these people. WE HAVE NO CHOICE!!! WE MUST FIGHT, AND FIGHT TO WIN! If we don't, we will be destroyed and so will our way of life. If they want to stand there with their hands behind their backs, FINE. For me, the choice is to lock & load! Sure, I may die but I'll take a hell-of-a-lot of the ememy with me!

It may be that these idiots lack the tactile response of survival, I don't know. We can thank the loving God above that they are the minority.

Fight on Patriots and ignore the distant whisper of the coward.

When I faced my first battle in Viet Nam I said a little prayer. "Dear God in Heaven......don't let me run...make me fight, and take my soul if I die, but don't let me run"! I didn't run...........Thank you God! I just wonder, how many times He has heard THAT prayer??

30 posted on 09/22/2001 9:55:04 AM PDT by timydnuc
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To: timydnuc
Jim Reed's Voices Of The World Speech Against Pacisfism
31 posted on 09/22/2001 10:09:33 AM PDT by Ohioan
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To: GreatOne
BUMP!
32 posted on 09/22/2001 10:12:25 AM PDT by FReethesheeples
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To: GreatOne
By hiding behind the "Ideal" of Pacifism,they can avoid the self loathing that would come with facing the truth!

Pacifism,is nothing more than the rationalization of cowardice!

33 posted on 09/22/2001 10:22:03 AM PDT by NYCON
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To: GreatOne

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34 posted on 09/22/2001 10:46:22 AM PDT by mfulstone
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To: GreatOne
There is an old saying: "Those, who do not understand history, are doomed to repeat it." I believe the author was Santanya.

History has shown that pacifism does not work. No one wants a war, but the only way to stop the atrocities of monsters like Hitler, Osama bin Ladin, and Sodamned Insane is to eliminate the monsters.

Chamberlain is remembered as a mental defective for his appeasement to Hitler.

35 posted on 09/22/2001 12:15:37 PM PDT by punster
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To: ihatemyalarmclock
Thanks for the explanation. I had written up a reply of several paragraphs then somehow FR hiccupped and it got deleted before it posted, so I just threw that one-liner up instead of writing it all over again. (I even put in the bit about Harlan Ellison--isn't it a fact that he seemed perpetually p*ssed off as you say?)

You said everything I wanted to say. Thanks.

36 posted on 09/22/2001 12:59:02 PM PDT by Illbay
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To: ihatemyalarmclock
I forget - what were the major changes from Harlan's original script. Also, is the original script available anywhere on the net?
37 posted on 09/22/2001 1:19:41 PM PDT by GreatOne
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To: GreatOne
Waaaaa!

You've robbed me of my wallet, but please, don't make me fight! Just take my purse too!


38 posted on 09/22/2001 1:27:17 PM PDT by Coyote
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To: yoe
..."What a shame our schools and colleges neglect history, which could save us from continuing to repeat the idiocies of the past, which are even more dangerous now in a nuclear age."

And THIS, not the lunatic, anti-American ravings of Gloria Steinham or Jane Fonda, are the root cause behind the reason they attacked us. Like all predators, the Jihad mentality preys on women and feeble minded men, and ANY ONE ELSE they perceive as frail, even if it's only a MORAL weakness they're convinced they see in us.


39 posted on 09/22/2001 1:32:02 PM PDT by Coyote
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To: GreatOne
bttt
40 posted on 09/22/2001 1:32:56 PM PDT by Nuke'm Glowing
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