Skip to comments.A truth nobody wants to face
Posted on 09/22/2001 8:44:49 AM PDT by PietroA
And what reward does Paradise bring to the jihad martyr? He is promised a palace of pearls in which are 70 mansions; inside each mansion are 70 houses and in each house a bed on which are 70 sheets and on each sheet a beautiful virgin. He is assured that he will have the appetite and strength of 100 men for food and sex. This is the fantastic dream that is fed to Muslim boys from earliest childhood. This motivation alone gives the reckless courage and determination to train and execute terrorist deeds in which they sacrifice their lives in bringing death and destruction to "the enemies of Allah."
They just take to the max (extreme) what they have been thought since children. The question then arises, "why then aren't all Muslims like that?"
They have good sense.
This Fatwa, read personally by OBL and taped and played and read millions of times, constitutes the "standing orders" of all Jihadist in the world.
And it quotes directly from the koran.
BTW, do you know where the Pentagon bombers lived? With the founder of the San Diego Islamic Center, a major figure in CAIR and a professor at SDSU.
Just a coincidence I suppose.
Seems a pity that their side should get a perk like that, and our own boys don't.
Yeah, I get it.
These terrorists are even more dangerous than I thought.
This is most certainly about religious hegemony amongst other things but the fact Islam is the common denominator in all of our enemies (except perhaps the Palestinian leader, Habash) cannot and should not be ignored nor whitewashed.
I have yet to see an uprising of Muslims in this country proclaiming their loyalty and denouncing their brethren. All I see are PC talking heads hand wringing for tolerance and Muslim clerics and political leaders complaining about "profiling" and "not feeling safe". Our leaders are in a tuff spot and are encouraging folks to remain level headed with regards to Islam. I understand this. We don't need widescale panic and lynching but it's becoming more apparent daily just how widely intertwined the zealots are with alleged Muslim "moderates". Our leaders are also trying to prevent this from becoming a war against Islam as a whole. Again I understand the logic and I hope it works but much like the Muslim clerics here, I don't feel terribly safe either for myself or my family.
We are facing an enemy that wishes to destroy us if at all possible or (hard to believe)..covert us. We may have to steel ourselves to measures that we have never imagined in order to prevail.
I would recommend all non-resident Muslims to go home..for now. I have spent a large chunk of my life in countries where at times anti-Americanism boiled over. I sure didn't hang around and ask for understanding or special attention.
If there is, for example, a "biological 9-11" which kills another five or ten thousand (or many more) Americans, and the trail to the killers leads through the mosques and cultural centers (again) then all bets will be off.
Six thousand innocent people lay dead under rubble, killed by arab moslem covert jihadists, and we Americans are "hysterics and bigots and dummies" to question the loyalty of newly arrived arab moslems.
What will it take to get YOU hysterical? A bio attack? A million dead? Ten million? What?
And, along with the truth nobody wants to face - a question. If there are a billion moslems worldwide, and there has been a death fatwa issued against a novelist (Salman Rushdie), and now against ALL Americans...where is a single fatwa...just ONE...that orders all good moslems to kill the terrorist bint Larden?
We're told the war isn't about religion. Very well. Show me ONE such death fatwa issued by an American mosque. There are seven million moslems in the US. Where is the clear declaration of their loyalties?
Could the answer be....nowhere?
I encourage everyone to look into this question as deeply as they can. It's very, very interesting in and of itself, plus it's very, very interesting in evaluating the place of religion in America's future -- I suspect Red Nation America and Blue Nation America would have different views on the question and what the future should be.
For instance, the practical background of Islamic Fundamentalism in the middle east gets real interesting around the middle 70s. Around that time, religious extremists in the Muslim world were few and far between and weren't very influential. They were there, but more or less ignored. Then, when the Shah came to power in Iran, two things happened. 1) Global culture tried to "modernize" Iranian culture. Sex and women's lib and all that crap became big issues. Many of the people hated that change to their culture. When they had no where else to turn, they turned to the only people who shared their hatred-- the Muslim clerics who were fundamentalists. 2) THEN the Islamic Fundamentalists rose rapidly in power and became a political force. They conquored Iran (and for the first time in a big way suicide fighters were used -- not against the West per se, but in the Iran-Iraq border wars) and the paradigm of Islam Revolt spread to Lebanon and then beyond.
It started in Iran because of the way the globalist tried to impose global culture on the Iranians. (For more of this discussion, check out The Coming War in the Middle East It's good stuff!) Mark W.
My question is why aren't all the hundreds and hundreds of millions of so-called "good" Muslims, who do not believe Allah wants them to slaughter thousands of innocent women and children, denouncing this perverse heresy from every rooftop in the Middle East -- instead of dancing in the street and handing out candy to children? Answer: There are no good Muslims.
I know, Travis. I studied these people eons ago.
I've never seen a People poison their own wells so effectively....FRegards
Hmmmm, this allah sounds like a sex maniac. This is bogus crap that appeals to the macho, sex starved male. Why is it with these charletons that SEX has to be the major prize? It really emphasizes what these males think with. No, not impressed.
Once the martyrs "do them", they ain't "virgins", anymore.
In any event, what sort of "virgins" are being offered? Human?
From the perversity I've seen of these "faithful", I wonder.
"And what is it but Islam that unites the otherwise divided Arab world in an implacable and unreasoning hatred against Israel? No Arab map in the world admits Israel's existence. It is only Islam's claim that Ishmael, not Isaac, was the son of promise and that the Holy Land belongs to them which unites Arabs in the "fanatical" determination to destroy the Jews."
Yes, it's all about religion. U.S. supports the Israelis and hence they are evil too.
The Koran differs from the Bible. It falsely states that Ishmael is the proper heir and they were promised the land rather than the Jews, God's chosen people.
It is a violent religion but people don't want to hear it. It makes em feel bad. As stated, sucide is acceptable when it suits their agenda. I suppose allah has a double standard. On and on it goes.
Yeah, I get it.
Excellent point. The irony is lost on them.
Gee, I wonder what the women get when they make it to heaven?
It's all true.
"The Messiah, Jesus the son of Mary, was no more than Allah's apostle and His Word which He cast to Mary: a spirit from Him. So believe in Allah and His apostles and do not say: "Three." Forbear, and it shall be better for you. Allah is but one God. Allah forbid that He should have a son! His is all that the heavens and the earth contain. Allah is the all-sufficient Protector."
Christian believe otherwise.
It's no wonder that leaders of this religion cannot condemn their actions since it is part of their religion to destroy others of a different belief. This is exactly what they are doing.
You're not alone. That's what I have been seeing and hearing. The reason is because they don't disagree with what the terrorists have done. It's an aspect of their religion being acted on.
You're right. They should just leave, and those that don't volunteer should be visited by INS and strongly encouraged to go back from whence they've come. People are showing great restraint right now, by and large...but another hit like 9-11 and all hell is likely to break loose.
They're somewhere else. Those women in the mansions are in their hell.
Did I REALLY say that just now? What a pig! I should be slapped silly! :)
|If there is, for example, a "biological 9-11" which kills another five or ten thousand (or many more) Americans, and the trail to the killers leads through the mosques and cultural centers (again) then all bets will be off.
I agree with this. I also think it won't stop at our borders. Whole countries will be nuked, just to lower the odds of it happening again.
I think your estimate of the deaths in a biological attack are low by 2 or 3 orders of magnitude. A simultaneous anthrax attack in ten cities would kill 20 to 30 million. Think about it: this could be done by ten people who are already in the country and who bought their crop dusters five years ago and have them safely stored in hangars, ready to go.
This is very serious, and very dicey.
6,000 dead have brought this amount of retaliation to the bin-Laden's of the world; 20-30 million would rate middle east annihilation.
In the mid term the West may suffer bio attacks, randoms shootings and bombings, infrastructure attacks and ruined economies.
But this will merely hone our steel to go and sort them out for good.
This is a war between 21st century civilization, and the zealots who want to pull the civilization down and return to the tenth century. They can hurt us all, but we can crush them absolutely.
The fact is, Muhammad said he was ordered by God to fight the unbelievers. bin Laden and others believe they have the same angels speaking to them now. What is a moderate Muslim, someone who doesn't think about this day to day, someone who rejects the words of their prophet, or is it someone who cannot turn from this calling when the rubber hits the road. Perhaps this is why they remain silent except in complaints.
This is the proverbial elephant in the living room that no one wants to see.
I'm a few miles out of NYC - I will perish when they unleash the chemical/biological weapons. (And they WILL). I have one wish - please use nukes after I'm gone.
Excellent point. I think this says a great deal.
If OBL already has ten cropdusters ready, and uses them, we will respond with nukes.
I just hope that if this is so, they do not have a default plan where if OBL is killed or captured, say, they launch right away.
And I hope and pray the FBI is doing yeoman's work rounding up these insane death cultists.
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