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A truth nobody wants to face
www.thebereancall.org ^ | Sept. 2001 | Dave Hunt

Posted on 09/22/2001 8:44:49 AM PDT by PietroA

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It would be extremely naive to imagine that terrorists who are willing to blow themselves up in Israel or to crash a plane at the loss of their own and many other lives do so for some commendable humanitarian cause. The courage comes solely from a unique doctrine of Islam. Abu-Bakr, the first Caliph to succeed Muhammad (and one of the few to whom Muhammad promised Paradise without martyrdom), declared that even if he had one foot in Paradise he could not trust Allah to let him in. The only sure way in Islam of achieving Paradise is to sacrifice one's life in jihad. Yes, suicide is forbidden as self-murder. But to sacrifice one's life in killing infidels carries the highest reward.

And what reward does Paradise bring to the jihad martyr? He is promised a palace of pearls in which are 70 mansions; inside each mansion are 70 houses and in each house a bed on which are 70 sheets and on each sheet a beautiful virgin. He is assured that he will have the appetite and strength of 100 men for food and sex. This is the fantastic dream that is fed to Muslim boys from earliest childhood. This motivation alone gives the reckless courage and determination to train and execute terrorist deeds in which they sacrifice their lives in bringing death and destruction to "the enemies of Allah."


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It's not courage or bravery that motivates these terrorists.

They just take to the max (extreme) what they have been thought since children. The question then arises, "why then aren't all Muslims like that?"

They have good sense.

1 posted on 09/22/2001 8:44:49 AM PDT by PietroA
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To: PietroA,lent,rebdov,patent,MHGinTN,nunya bidness,gonzo
The specific Fatwa issued by Osama Bin Laden ordering moslems worldwide to kill all Americans, military and civilian, specifically quotes and uses the koran's surya 9-5 as its justification.

This Fatwa, read personally by OBL and taped and played and read millions of times, constitutes the "standing orders" of all Jihadist in the world.

And it quotes directly from the koran.

2 posted on 09/22/2001 8:50:20 AM PDT by Travis McGee
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To: Samaritan
Please explain why Osama Bin Laden's Fatwa quotes directly word for word the Koran's Surya 9-5 in issuing his call to kill all Americans, civilian and military, and why we have not heard Surya 9-5 specifically denounced by CAIR, AMC, or any other major "moderate" islmaic groups?

BTW, do you know where the Pentagon bombers lived? With the founder of the San Diego Islamic Center, a major figure in CAIR and a professor at SDSU.

Just a coincidence I suppose.

4 posted on 09/22/2001 9:01:48 AM PDT by Travis McGee
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To: Samaritan
I hear what you say, and there is general agreement to that. But we MUST at the same time consider how the other side (the Muslims) view it. Ignoring that, it's fatal.
5 posted on 09/22/2001 9:22:12 AM PDT by PietroA
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To: Samaritan
But Allah is sure to run out of virgins up there in Paradise pretty soon, haven't these fellows thought out the logistics on this? And perhaps Paradise is not all that infinitely expandable either.

Seems a pity that their side should get a perk like that, and our own boys don't.

6 posted on 09/22/2001 9:35:35 AM PDT by alloysteel
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To: PietroA
FYI

BIBLE vs. KORAN

7 posted on 09/22/2001 10:51:54 AM PDT by PaxMacian
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To: PietroA
So let me get this straight. The reason they hate us is because of our materialistic love of wealth and our decadent immorality...and their reward for murdering us all would be...mansions, pearls and the promise of voracious sex for eternity?

Yeah, I get it.

8 posted on 09/22/2001 11:01:39 AM PDT by LisaFab
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To: Travis McGee
Thanks.
9 posted on 09/22/2001 1:17:55 PM PDT by nunya bidness
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To: PietroA
I can understand their resolve then. Along about puberty I would have volunteered for a suicide mission, if I had been promised an eternity of what unlimited supplies of what filled my daydreams and starched my drawers in night dreams. Yep that is every young mans vision of paradice when their harmones are so active they sparkle in the dark all around their body.

These terrorists are even more dangerous than I thought.

10 posted on 09/22/2001 1:31:57 PM PDT by F.J. Mitchell
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To: Samaritan, Travis McGee
You are doing exactly what the terrorists hoped for.. This is not about religion.

This is most certainly about religious hegemony amongst other things but the fact Islam is the common denominator in all of our enemies (except perhaps the Palestinian leader, Habash) cannot and should not be ignored nor whitewashed.

I have yet to see an uprising of Muslims in this country proclaiming their loyalty and denouncing their brethren. All I see are PC talking heads hand wringing for tolerance and Muslim clerics and political leaders complaining about "profiling" and "not feeling safe". Our leaders are in a tuff spot and are encouraging folks to remain level headed with regards to Islam. I understand this. We don't need widescale panic and lynching but it's becoming more apparent daily just how widely intertwined the zealots are with alleged Muslim "moderates". Our leaders are also trying to prevent this from becoming a war against Islam as a whole. Again I understand the logic and I hope it works but much like the Muslim clerics here, I don't feel terribly safe either for myself or my family.

We are facing an enemy that wishes to destroy us if at all possible or (hard to believe)..covert us. We may have to steel ourselves to measures that we have never imagined in order to prevail.

I would recommend all non-resident Muslims to go home..for now. I have spent a large chunk of my life in countries where at times anti-Americanism boiled over. I sure didn't hang around and ask for understanding or special attention.

11 posted on 09/22/2001 1:57:31 PM PDT by wardaddy
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I think that all arab moslems who have come to America in the last five years would be wise to go home.

If there is, for example, a "biological 9-11" which kills another five or ten thousand (or many more) Americans, and the trail to the killers leads through the mosques and cultural centers (again) then all bets will be off.

12 posted on 09/22/2001 2:31:54 PM PDT by Travis McGee
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"hysterics and bigots and dummies"

Six thousand innocent people lay dead under rubble, killed by arab moslem covert jihadists, and we Americans are "hysterics and bigots and dummies" to question the loyalty of newly arrived arab moslems.

What will it take to get YOU hysterical? A bio attack? A million dead? Ten million? What?

13 posted on 09/22/2001 2:35:57 PM PDT by Travis McGee
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To: Travis McGee
The specific Fatwa issued by Osama Bin Laden ordering moslems worldwide to kill all Americans, military and civilian, specifically quotes and uses the koran's surya 9-5 as its justification.

And, along with the truth nobody wants to face - a question. If there are a billion moslems worldwide, and there has been a death fatwa issued against a novelist (Salman Rushdie), and now against ALL Americans...where is a single fatwa...just ONE...that orders all good moslems to kill the terrorist bint Larden?

We're told the war isn't about religion. Very well. Show me ONE such death fatwa issued by an American mosque. There are seven million moslems in the US. Where is the clear declaration of their loyalties?

Could the answer be....nowhere?

14 posted on 09/22/2001 2:38:44 PM PDT by neutrino (Neutrino)
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To: neutrino
Could be. The Pentagon killers were living with the founder of the San Diego Islamic Cultural Center.
15 posted on 09/22/2001 2:49:26 PM PDT by Travis McGee
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To: PietroA
>The question then arises, "why then aren't all Muslims like that?" They have good sense.

I encourage everyone to look into this question as deeply as they can. It's very, very interesting in and of itself, plus it's very, very interesting in evaluating the place of religion in America's future -- I suspect Red Nation America and Blue Nation America would have different views on the question and what the future should be.

For instance, the practical background of Islamic Fundamentalism in the middle east gets real interesting around the middle 70s. Around that time, religious extremists in the Muslim world were few and far between and weren't very influential. They were there, but more or less ignored. Then, when the Shah came to power in Iran, two things happened. 1) Global culture tried to "modernize" Iranian culture. Sex and women's lib and all that crap became big issues. Many of the people hated that change to their culture. When they had no where else to turn, they turned to the only people who shared their hatred-- the Muslim clerics who were fundamentalists. 2) THEN the Islamic Fundamentalists rose rapidly in power and became a political force. They conquored Iran (and for the first time in a big way suicide fighters were used -- not against the West per se, but in the Iran-Iraq border wars) and the paradigm of Islam Revolt spread to Lebanon and then beyond.

It started in Iran because of the way the globalist tried to impose global culture on the Iranians. (For more of this discussion, check out The Coming War in the Middle East It's good stuff!) Mark W.

16 posted on 09/22/2001 2:52:21 PM PDT by MarkWar
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To: Travis McGee
Near Condit Country.
17 posted on 09/22/2001 2:56:41 PM PDT by dalebert
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To: PietroA
The question then arises, "why then aren't all Muslims like that?"

My question is why aren't all the hundreds and hundreds of millions of so-called "good" Muslims, who do not believe Allah wants them to slaughter thousands of innocent women and children, denouncing this perverse heresy from every rooftop in the Middle East -- instead of dancing in the street and handing out candy to children? Answer: There are no good Muslims.

18 posted on 09/22/2001 3:09:52 PM PDT by LibWhacker
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To: Travis McGee
"...And it quotes directly from the koran..."

I know, Travis. I studied these people eons ago.

I've never seen a People poison their own wells so effectively....FRegards

19 posted on 09/22/2001 9:36:43 PM PDT by gonzo
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To: PietroA
"And what reward does Paradise bring to the jihad martyr? He is promised a palace of pearls in which are 70 mansions; inside each mansion are 70 houses and in each house a bed on which are 70 sheets and on each sheet a beautiful virgin. He is assured that he will have the appetite and strength of 100 men for food and sex. "

Hmmmm, this allah sounds like a sex maniac. This is bogus crap that appeals to the macho, sex starved male. Why is it with these charletons that SEX has to be the major prize? It really emphasizes what these males think with. No, not impressed.

20 posted on 09/22/2001 9:40:30 PM PDT by nmh
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