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TIME Exclusive: Cropduster Manual Discovered in Suspected Terrorist Hideout
Time.com ^ | September.22,2001 | MASSIMO CALABRESI AND SALLY DONNELLY

Posted on 09/22/2001 3:08:14 PM PDT by Reagan Man

Sources tell TIME that U.S. officials suspect that bin Laden conspirators may have been planning to disperse biological or chemical agents from cropdusting planes

Saturday, Sep. 22, 2001

New York -- U.S. law enforcement officials have found a manual on the operation of cropdusting equipment while searching suspected terrorist hideouts, government sources tell TIME magazine in an issue out on Monday, Sept. 24th.

The discovery has added to concerns among government counterterrorism experts that the bin Laden conspirators may have been planning — or may still be planning —to disperse biological or chemical agents from a cropdusting plane normally used for agricultural purposes.

Among the belongings of suspected terrorist Zacarias Moussaoui, sources tell TIME, were manuals showing how to operate cropdusting equipment that could be used to spray fast-killing toxins into the air.

The discovery resulted in the grounding of all cropdusters nationwide on Sunday Sept. 16th. The dusters have been allowed back up, but are not allowed to take off or land from what traffic controllers refer to as Class B airspace, or the skies around major cities.

One senior official cautions that because corroborative evidence is lacking the FBI does not place "high credibility" in the notion that the hijackers were in fact exploring the idea of stealing or renting cropdusters. However, the FBI is advising members of a crop-dusters' group to report any suspicious buys of dangerous chemicals in the wake of last week's terrorist attacks.

Last week, the National Agricultural Aviation Association, a crop dusters trade group, posted a message from the FBI to its membership: "Members should be vigilant to any suspicious activity relative to the use, training in or acquisition of dangerous chemicals or airborne application of same including threats, unusual purchases, suspicious behavior by employees or customers, and unusual contacts with the public. Members should report any suspicious circumstances or information to local FBI offices."


TOPICS: Breaking News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: alqaeda; alqaida; anthrax; antraz; cropduster; cropdusters; cropdusting; moussaoui; wmd; zacariasmoussaoui
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1 posted on 09/22/2001 3:08:15 PM PDT by Reagan Man
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To: Reagan Man
I had a sick feeling when I saw this post that this was possible...Brrrr...
3 posted on 09/22/2001 3:11:44 PM PDT by Brian Mosely
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To: Reagan Man
When they grounded crop dusters I figured they must have found something to zero in on them. So this was it.
4 posted on 09/22/2001 3:12:26 PM PDT by Movemout
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To: Reagan Man
Stunning is right!

Another thing to worry about..

5 posted on 09/22/2001 3:13:51 PM PDT by Dog
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To: Dog
Just one more fear. And if they have something to spray, they will find a way to use it. Somewhere, someplace.
6 posted on 09/22/2001 3:15:13 PM PDT by Peach
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To: Samaritan,lent,patent,harpseal,Squantos,rebdov,physicist
Crop dusters are so hard to track flying at tree and weed top level that in communist countries they had to be kept in high security fenced in compounds. The pilots were able to easily fly right over the iron curtain boundaries undetected.

My point is, if a terrorist who is a good pilot gets hold of a crop duster, he can fly low and slow right into any city, then pop up to the correct altitude to spray his deadly load and FAA regs be damned.

And there are those freepers who call us "hysterics and bigots" for being a bit suspicious of the arab moslem covert jihadists living freely among us planning mega murder.

7 posted on 09/22/2001 3:15:42 PM PDT by Travis McGee
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To: Reagan Man
Security measures will now be needed for cropdusting planes. All the more reason we need to root out the terrorists among us and revoke their breathing privileges.

Say, where are the GUN CONTROL freaks like Rosie O'Donnell and Chuck Schumer NOW???

8 posted on 09/22/2001 3:16:47 PM PDT by Recovering_Democrat
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To: Travis McGee
I think you're on to something.
9 posted on 09/22/2001 3:17:32 PM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: Reagan Man
It has been known for some time that cropdusters would be the most effective means of dispersal of biological weapons. I think the emphasis in this story on dangerous chemicals completely misses the mark.

The bad news is that we now know the terrorists were also thinking of it. One can only hope that this was for another attack sometime in the next few years, and not imminent.

10 posted on 09/22/2001 3:17:34 PM PDT by Dog Gone
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To: MHGinTN,Common Tator,JeepInMazar,Nunya Bidness,stingray,
Bio Attack Bump.
11 posted on 09/22/2001 3:17:41 PM PDT by Travis McGee
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To: Peach
This is sounding more and more like a Clancy novel everyday..
12 posted on 09/22/2001 3:17:58 PM PDT by Dog
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To: all
Ho-hum...we'll just nuke 'em.
13 posted on 09/22/2001 3:18:14 PM PDT by vmatt
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To: Reagan Man
One senior official cautions that because corroborative evidence is lacking the FBI does not place "high credibility" in the notion that the hijackers were in fact exploring the idea of stealing or renting cropdusters. Another "senior official" with his head up his ass. What more evidence does one need to decide that the terrorists are contemplating such a plan.
14 posted on 09/22/2001 3:18:20 PM PDT by MistrX
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To: kd5cts,M Kehoe,Miss Marple
You all need to see this one..
15 posted on 09/22/2001 3:19:11 PM PDT by Dog
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To: Brian Mosely
Not shocking if we have been paying attention. The PC will not like it, but the people that use cropdusting planes must be a select few, and verify why they need to.
16 posted on 09/22/2001 3:19:50 PM PDT by L`enn
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To: MistrX
Precisely why at times of War, Martial Law is proclaimed. This is not a nice or popular concept, but death at the hands of these freaks is not either.
17 posted on 09/22/2001 3:21:46 PM PDT by L`enn
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To: Dog Gone,wardaddy,FITZ,serge,gonzo,Yougottabekidding
That is a slim hope to hang onto. A tiny vial of anthrax can be grown by a microbiology grad student in a "glove box" to enough to kill tens of thousands with just Home Depot supplies.

They may already have a privately purchased crop duster sitting in a hidden hanger waiting for the order.

Or they may have twenty of them.

18 posted on 09/22/2001 3:21:50 PM PDT by Travis McGee
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To: Travis McGee
And there are those freepers who call us "hysterics and bigots" for being a bit suspicious of the arab moslem covert jihadists DIAPERHEADS living freely among us planning mega murder.

i thought DIAPERHEADS is the up and coming catchword

19 posted on 09/22/2001 3:21:51 PM PDT by 1234
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To: Travis McGee
A couple of the Arabic men who were traveling on a plane and were stopped by fellow passengers who refused to fly with them were pilots. Were they perhaps on their way to readied cropdusters to wage their special warfare? Their destination was Salt Lake City.... Also, there were some men stopped on their way to San Antonio....
20 posted on 09/22/2001 3:21:53 PM PDT by ValerieUSA
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To: PhiKapMom deport anniegetyourgun Miss Marple Howlin JohnHuang2 Mudboy Slim
PING!
21 posted on 09/22/2001 3:22:11 PM PDT by Reagan Man
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To: Reagan Man
I had another thought when I first heard of the Fed's interest in crop dusters. Fuel Air Explosives. FAEs are awesome weapons that work by using a gas in aerosol form and igniting it. A crop duster would be a low cost (albeit dangerous, but hey they don't care) way to produce an FAE type explosion. Imagine a crop duster swooping into a sports stadium, disbursing this gas, then igniting it by simply using a flare or something. Yikes.

This is all right out of my own head. If someone can poke holes in my theory, I'd like to hear that I am wrong.

22 posted on 09/22/2001 3:22:12 PM PDT by Straight Vermonter
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To: L`enn
"The PC will not like it, but the people that use cropdusting planes must be a select few, and verify why they need to."

You can't be serious.

23 posted on 09/22/2001 3:22:51 PM PDT by vmatt
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To: Brian Mosely
Somewhere in the Midwest, there's an Arab-American cropduster out there who's starting to feel mighty paranoid.
24 posted on 09/22/2001 3:23:09 PM PDT by billorites
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To: Travis McGee
The politically correct will not like to see Arab nationals discriminated against when they go to rent a crop duster plane or buy dangerous chemicals. We can't have racial profiling, can't say anyone is guilty until after they kill thousands of Americans. If you won't sell chemicals to an Arab you must be a racist bigot is all.
25 posted on 09/22/2001 3:24:25 PM PDT by FITZ
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To: Travis McGee
Sheesh. This is terrible. Hell is going to be unleashed on the heads of the unsuspecting culturally sensitive masses.
26 posted on 09/22/2001 3:24:45 PM PDT by Lent
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To: Straight Vermonter
I think the mixture would be too lean. Too little fuel, too much air, to explode.
27 posted on 09/22/2001 3:25:33 PM PDT by Balding_Eagle
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To: Travis McGee
Who says it just has to be a city? What if it was flown against stockyards or other agricultural targets? That would impact us economically.
28 posted on 09/22/2001 3:25:49 PM PDT by piasa
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To: MistrX,Chapita,Stand Firm,GWfan,Aware Texan,M Kehoe,Jeff Head
"Senior Officials" also poopoo'd the idea of jetliners being used in kamikaze attacks against major buildings several years ago.

When something is really horrible, an order of magnitude beyond what has been done before, "senior officials" will always choose the path of blissful ignorance.

All FReepers should read "THE PLAGUE" by Albert Camus to understand how our leaders will react to a bio attack.

29 posted on 09/22/2001 3:26:05 PM PDT by Travis McGee
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To: Travis McGee
And there are those freepers who call us "hysterics and bigots" for being a bit suspicious of the arab moslem covert jihadists living freely among us planning mega murder.

I think what you are seeing is concern from some (like me!) that we are on a slippery slope of resenting or hating Muslims as a people when far less than 1% of Muslims in this country would ever even condone such activities let alone engage in them.

It is ironic especially since the GOP has traditionally been big supporters of Israeli defense yet Jewish voters vote overwhelmingly for liberal Democrats while Arab Americans are by and large GOP voters.

I know you know the difference between the good guys and the bad guys and most here do. But we have to be careful that we don't let the fact that all the people involved in the attack Israel and attack America network are Middle Easterners because like was the case with Germany there will come a time when we have defeated the true evil network and find that most of the civilians in their sphere of influence loathe these extremists and their militant tactics to undermine moderate and legitimate Arab nations and destroy as many Western institutions and lives as they can.

30 posted on 09/22/2001 3:26:23 PM PDT by Impeach98
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To: 1234
i thought DIAPERHEADS is the up and coming catchword

Maybe because "ragheads" is too politically incorrect to use. I think we all need to hide our towels for the time being.

31 posted on 09/22/2001 3:26:37 PM PDT by FITZ
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To: Reagan Man
bin Laden is just begging to be made an example of. He's doing everything he can to get us to nuke him. We should oblige him.
32 posted on 09/22/2001 3:27:34 PM PDT by Hillary 666
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To: Travis McGee
Can you give us a thumbnail idea of what is in that book??
34 posted on 09/22/2001 3:29:00 PM PDT by Dog
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To: piasa
That will happen too. Don't you think that British arab moslem terrorist have brought over some nasty vials of hoof and mouth germs to spread "down on the farm"?

I think that Osama Bin Laden has an entire range of "weapons" he will release as we punish the terrorists in his end of the world.

35 posted on 09/22/2001 3:29:01 PM PDT by Travis McGee
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To: vmatt
And why not? The entire population is not free to fly f-16's or drive Sherman tanks. Why should there be an open door policy on cropdusters, or any type of mechanism that facilitates chemical or bio-warfare? It is only common sense.
36 posted on 09/22/2001 3:30:16 PM PDT by L`enn
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To: Travis McGee
I was talking about this very thing last night with a friend. I speculated that such an attack may already be in place, waiting only for our first strike at a Moslem country.

While everybody is focusing on American Airlines, the real threat may be Bob's Flying Service.

I don't know what you do about it. If they can hijack an airliner, Bob won't be much problem at all.

37 posted on 09/22/2001 3:30:31 PM PDT by Dog Gone
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To: Travis McGee, Nita Nupress
Why am I not suprised? The pilots who use a local airfield on the Eastern Shore who've been grounded should hear about this. If they don't know already.
38 posted on 09/22/2001 3:30:53 PM PDT by nunya bidness
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To: Impeach98
people when far less than 1% of Muslims in this country would ever even condone such activities let alone engage in them.

How do you have access to the exact number of people involved in this? If you knew before Sept 11 how many were going to kill thousands of Americans, you should not have kept this to yourself. No one yet has been able to tell me how to recognize a terrorist from a nice guy and before Sept 11, by all reports the hijackers were pretty nice guys.

39 posted on 09/22/2001 3:31:03 PM PDT by FITZ
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To: Reagan Man
Choices, choices...

Courses,Curriculum and Cost of Training

The Sam Riggs Agicultural Pilot Training Center, LTD is a working airport. Because the field of aerial application is closely related to the farming industry, we teach you a variety of skills necessary to prepare you to be an invaluable asset to any ag operator. The majority of your training will be on-the-job or what we call "in-the-field" training. That is, actual, hands on mechanical and flight training. You will learn about entomology (the branch of zoology that deals with insects), chemical safety, labels, laws that pertain to pesticides, mixing, storage of chemical, aircraft care and maintenance, calibrating your spray aircraft, flagging a field, aircraft maneuvers, field entry and departure, and much more. Textbooks published by the United States Department of Agriculture are provided.

Private Pilot Course: The private pilot course is offered to beginning pilots whose ultimate goal is completion of their commercial license and their ag pilot sign off. The course consists of the minimum FAA requirement of 40 hours of flight time and instruction. All flying except the required nose gear training will be done in tail dragger aircraft in order to give the student experience applicable to aerial application.

Cost: $3,500.00 USD.

Commercial Pilot Course: The commercial pilot course is offered to all pilots holding a current private pilot's license and consists of the minimum FAA requirement of 250 hours. Completion by a student of their commercial pilot training at our facility will allow the student to enter the Fixed Wing Short Course without the prerequisite 1000 hours total time as the majority of the student's commercial training will be done in tail dragger aircraft thus making him proficient to enter the Short Course directly upon graduation of the commercial pilot exam.

Cost: $13,500.00 USD.

Fixed Wing Ag Short Course: This agricultural pilot training course has a prerequisite of 1000 hours total time. Twenty hours of instructional and flight time will be given in the following aircraft: 5 hours Piper Cub, Aeronca Champ, 5 hours Cessna 140, 10 hours Cessna 188 Ag Wagon Cropduster and/or Piper Pawnee Hutcherson Conversion Cropduster.

Cost: $5,500.00 USD.

Fixed Wing Ag Long Course: This course is required if the pilot has less than 1000 logged hours total time. Thirty hours of instructional and flight time will be given in the following aircraft: 5 hours Piper Cub, Aeronca Champ, 5 hours Cessna 140, 20 hours Cessna 188 Ag Wagon Cropduster and/or Piper Pawnee Hutcherson Conversion Cropduster.

Cost: $6,800.00 USD.

Short Heavy Ag Course: This course is available to all graduates of the Fixed Wing Ag Long Course. It is an add on course that gives the student an additional 5 hours of flight time in the radial engine bi-plane, the Grummon Ag Cat.

Cost: $2,250.00 USD.

Super Ag Long Course: This is our most popular course and consists of 50 guaranteed hours. The Fixed Wing Long Course is included in the Super Ag course with the addition of 10 more hours in the Ag Wagon or Piper Pawnee Hutcherson Conversion Cropdusters and 5 hours in the radial engine bi-plane, the Grummon Ag Cat.

Cost: $9,500.00 USD.

(USD=US Dollars)

40 posted on 09/22/2001 3:32:04 PM PDT by vmatt
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To: Reagan Man
They have obviously been researching every weakness we have, and are ready, willing and intending to exploit everyone they possibly can.

We need such a study of the weaknesses of our enemy, and first off how to use the mountains of Afghanastan against the foe there instead of visaversa. Enough people have been defeated by that terrain to put together a list of what not to do, then work from there.

Like the Arabs on the Boston flight the other day that other passengers refused to fly with, I am not sure, considering the consequences of being wrong, that we can simply ignore the presence of middle eastern looking people. As much as we want to be blind to ethnic and racial differences, we may do it at our peril under the circumstances of these days. The last thing I would want is to declare open season on everyone who appears to be middle eastern, but on the other hand, those in positions of authority, absolutely have to go by Reagan's rule for dealing with the Soviets-"trust, but verify" anything less is insanity.

41 posted on 09/22/2001 3:32:38 PM PDT by F.J. Mitchell
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To: Dog
Thanks Dog, I already have problems sleeping. I hope every good American is watchful, and is ready to drop a dime on anyone that is acting suspiciously.

/john

42 posted on 09/22/2001 3:32:52 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper
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To: Dog
This is what I remember of THE PLAGUE by Albert Camus:

Plague (bacillis pestis) breaks out badly in an Algerian port city. The officials go into deep deep denial at the phase when strong medical and quarantine measure interventions might have stopped it.

The "chamber of commerc" types scream to the mayor "we will be ruined if you quarantine these areas". So the plague gets a strong grip.

By the time that there is no hiding it, it is too late, and the mayor declares quarantines, but the panicked citizens flee in terror in all directions.

43 posted on 09/22/2001 3:33:05 PM PDT by Travis McGee
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To: Reagan Man
NBC/ABC Warfare Survival Skills Links
44 posted on 09/22/2001 3:33:17 PM PDT by backhoe (Has that clinton "legacy" made you feel *safer* yet? ? ?)
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bttt
46 posted on 09/22/2001 3:33:45 PM PDT by GretchenEE
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To: Impeach98
I know you know the difference between the good guys and the bad guys and most here do.

Even the airlines couldn't tell the difference on the morning of September 11, how do you really expect that we know? If you listen to some of the voice chats the Arabs go to or read their message boards, you'll see very many are not at all upset about the attacks.

47 posted on 09/22/2001 3:33:48 PM PDT by FITZ
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To: Reagan Man
Hope they don't keep them grounded too long.... skeeters will be getting worse....
48 posted on 09/22/2001 3:33:57 PM PDT by deport
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To: Balding_Eagle
It doesn't have to explode to kill people at a large gathering, just burn.
49 posted on 09/22/2001 3:36:01 PM PDT by Critter
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To: Travis McGee
I openly defy all the 'tolerance' preachers and social utopians to go and spend five minutes in Kabul!!
50 posted on 09/22/2001 3:36:07 PM PDT by djf
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