Posted on 09/23/2001 1:17:25 AM PDT by Travis McGee
"A Muslim journalist interviewed Osama bin Laden for Newsweek, Jan. 11, 1999:
Question: Why have you asked Muslims to target civilian Americans all over the world? Islam prohibits its followers from killing civilians in war.
Bin Laden: If the Israelis are killing small children in Palestine and the Americans are killing innocent people in Iraq, and if the majority of the American people support their dissolute president, this means the American people are fighting us and we have the right to target them.
Question: All Americans?
Bin Laden: Muslim scholars have issued a fatwa (a religious order) against any American who pays taxes to his government. He is our target, because he is helping the American war machine against the Muslim nation.
This commentary appeared on ABCNEWS.com, Jan. 1999 (on Osama bin Laden):
"His fatwa was clear: Americans must die, within the next few weeks. U.S. troops will leave Saudi Arabia when Islamic terrorists "send the bodies of American troops and civilians home in wooden boxes and coffins," Osama Bin Ladin vowed in an exclusive interview with ABC NEWS Correspondent John Miller. "We don't differentiate between those dressed in military uniforms and civilians. They are all targets in this fatwa."
Bin Ladin recently convened a meeting of fundamentalist extremists and sponsors of terrorism. More than 150 clerics named themselves the "International Islamic Front for the Jihad against Jews and Crusaders," and issued a variety of fatwas."
Do you now accept that the False Fatwa was in fact proclaimed by Osama Bin Ladin?
See my post #57. Also note: Fight against such of those to whom the Scriptures were given as believe neither in Allah nor the Last Day, who do not forbid what Allah and His apostle have forbidden and do not embrace the true faith until they pay tribute out of hand and are utterly subdued. Sura 9:26
We shall see what happens.
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See post 57.
Yes. Otherwise they should be killed.
Are you familiar with the mahdi traddition that I have heard some about in the past? Could you enlighten us?
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No I am not.
I do know, however, that there is a Shiite tradition which allows them to say that they are not Shiites when they are in non-Shiite areas. So when among Sunni Muslims, a Shiite is allowed to curse the Shiites and say the prayers in the manner a Sunni says prayers, for example. This tradition was developed, if I understand it correctly, mainly as a self-defense technique. It seems to be different than jihad, but the concept of concealment is the same.
What about the Mahdi? Is this the group in Iran? I don't know that much about them. Don't they say Mahdi is the one to come in the future?
As I understand it there is a Muslim prophecy that states there will come in the future one who shall unite all the faithful and cause the whole world to become Muslim. some interpretations I have heard of this traditions state that this will be after the mahdii leads all the faithful to victory in a holy war. Although I have read a translation of the Koran it has been many years. i do know that the dessert leader that inspired the warfare against the British in The Sudan took the name Mahdi for himself. Omdurman proved him to be false.
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What about violence committed against homosexuals in the name of, for example, Leviticus 18:22? Or abortion clinic bombings by "Christians" such as Eric Rudolph or James Kopp?
Who has done this? Names? Organizations? Bible teachers? Bible college students? What churches do they attend?
Or abortion clinic bombings by "Christians" such as Eric Rudolph or James Kopp?
What church did Eric Rudolph and James Kopp go to? What Bible verses did they quote to justify their actions? Who are they organized with? Who are these groups?
With the terrorists who are Muslims we see they attend mosques, study the Quran, quote the Quran and Hadith, are associated with Islamic groups, etc.
That's what I've been wondering - where are all of the American Muslim clerics comdemning OBL? The only one who has spoken out against the attack is Farrakhan, and I don't think he was totally sincere.
Taking into account that there will be more attempts at 9-11 level terrorist actions, you must see that if this occurs, many, many recently arrived Moslems in the USA will be deported or interned. To forestall this, moderate Moslems need to open up a wide and visible separation between themselves and the Wahhabosts.
But then there is the problem that these Wahhabists are operating covertly within the USA. I don't see a solution, do you?
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