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The Cost of Life (Clinton/Gore Sellout of Security for Campaign Contributions) **FR EXCLUSIVE** #2
Thread One ^ | 9/23/01 | Jon Loose and Connie Hair

Posted on 09/23/2001 1:37:36 PM PDT by Clinton's a liar

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To: Clinton's a liar
Using the promise of government inaction to extort money for campaigns is as old as politics in America.

Policticans have done it for at least 200 years. Mark Twain commented in 1880 that we had the best govnerment money can buy.. and he was right. He is still right.

The sad part is we are using this as a way of saying that safety depends on keeping weapons off airplanes. That is just not true. Our system was totally effective at keeping guns off airplanes. It failed to keep carpet knives with plastic handles off planes. All the airport security in the world won't save a life from a dedicated killer.

You have to keep the killer off the airplane or make him afraid to kill.

Anyone with a brain should be able to understand that humans can be killed using martial arts. It is easy to kill using bare hands and feet. To keep killers from geting on planes with the weapons to kill, we would have to amputate all traverlers hands and feet.

Al Gore may very well have extorted money for not sticking Airlines with worthless safety checks, but he cost no one their life.

The socialist who have convinced us there are no bad people, just bad leaders are to blame. For 10,000 years people have organized by races and nations to attack other races and nations. While we sang "won't you be my neighbor", Sadam moved into the Kuwaiti neighborhood. Then we got mad.

The only protection anyone has ever had is the belief that we will terrible retaliation for attack. When people are willing to die for a cause, one has to kill the cause. When people are willing to die for a nation you have to kill the nation. When people are willing to die for a race you must kill the race. When what the attacker supports is killed as a result of his attack, he does not attack.

Protection is the use of FEAR to make all afraid to attack. Attacking us, must result in their worst nightmare. People do not do things that cause their worst nightmare.

All nations get the government their people want. When the people of the Soviet Union wanted the Soviet Union gone, it went down. When the people of the German Republic wanted the Rebublic gone, they embraced Hitler and the Third Reich. Stalin could not have survived if the Russian people did not want him. The Czar certianly did not. People get the governments they want. The idea of good people and evil goverments is socialist nonsense.

I will put it very simply. People Establish Governments. Governments do not establish People.

Until we understand and act on the basis that our enemies are groups of people and not a handful of leaders, we will die for that mistaken belief.

Al Gore is in the Extortion business? MY GOD WHAT A REVELATION! Next you'll tell me McDonalds sells hamburgers.

Did Al kill the people in the world trade center? No he did not.

It is very simple.

Nations that will not destroy their enemies, will be destroyed by their enemies.


61 posted on 09/23/2001 2:39:48 PM PDT by Common Tator
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To: Dog Gone
A big thank you for me and my writing partner who did the research! Hugs.
62 posted on 09/23/2001 2:40:14 PM PDT by Clinton's a liar
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To: Common Tator
That's why we put in this part:

On September 11, 2001, those ultimately responsible for the destruction of thousands of precious lives were the terrorists who pulled the knives and steered the planes.

But playing politics and intentionally ignoring obvious safety and security voids in an industry that has been a target of terrorists for over thirty years is unconscionable.

Regards.

63 posted on 09/23/2001 2:42:39 PM PDT by Clinton's a liar
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To: Clinton's a liar, UPI, all
FR is acting so WEIRD!! Disregard my email to you; I got back in.

Here's the last article I posted. And someone needs to go Googling and pull up the "Feb. 4, 1997, CAPITOL HILL HEARING OF THE SENATE FINANCE COMMITTEE." The subject is: "AIRPORT AND AIRWAY TRUST FUND" and it was chaired by Sen. Wm. Roth (R-De). It's much too long for me to post here, but it has some VERY interesting "explanations" from some guy at Treasury Dept on what happened to that $1.2 billion that disappeared due to an "accounting error." Sen. Graham and others had some good questions and sounded really skeptical.

Someone other than me needs to read it to see if it's possible the the "missing" money went into the airline's pockets (and consequently into the Gore/DNC campaign).

Here's the article from Thread 1:


 

Not for commercial use. Solely to be used for the educational purposes of research and open discussion.

Journal of Commerce
February 24, 1997 
Monday SPECIAL REPORT; Pg. 4

News & Views
Ira Rosenfeld

(snip)

OUR COVER STORY this month is about the threat of terrorism in the sky. The White House Commission on Aviation Safety and Security this month made its final recommendations to President Clinton.

Among the most controversial is the proposed use of automated passenger profiles to help keep would-be terrorists off commercial airliners.

Many of the proposals already are being implemented at the nation's airlines and airports.

Overall, the commission called for a major upgrade of Federal Aviation Administration safety and security measures in an effort to reduce the rate of airplane accidents by ""a factor of five'' in the next 10 years.

While the risk of dying in a plane crash remains low, a projection by Boeing Co. showed that unless the global accident rate is reduced, an airliner will crash somewhere on Earth nearly every week by 2015.

Mr. Gore said at the commission's final meeting that the National Aeronautics and Space Administration will change its aviation programs to focus on safety research.

A cost estimate for implementing all of the committee's recommendations was not immediately available, but the commission did urge that cost not be the only basis for deciding whether to put new safety rules into effect.

Sometimes a safety rule should go ahead even when the benefits cannot be easily measured, the commissioners said.

Automated profiles, bomb-sniffing dogs and better training of security officers were among the commission's earlier recommendations.

Automated profiling involves using computers to, among other things, scan the travel history and possible criminal pasts of passengers to identify potential terrorists. Civil libertarians already are lining up in opposition to the plan.

THE FREE RIDE IS OVER. The House Ways and Means Committee, following the Senate Finance Committee, has passed a bill to reinstate a package of expired aviation taxes.

Money from the tax is used to pay for airport and air traffic control system improvements through the Airport and Airways Trust Fund. The bill extends through Sept. 30 a 10 percent tax on commercial airline tickets, a $6- a-ticket tax on international departures, a 6.25 percent tax on domestic air cargo and excise charges on noncommercial aviation fuel. These taxes bring roughly $20 million daily into the Airport and Airway Trust Fund, which finances airport modernization.


Several major airlines were hoping to replace the tax with user fees.

The law imposing the tax expired at the end of last year, and officials argue that the fund would shortly run out of money unless Congress acts.

Last week, the Treasury Department conceded it made an accounting error that effectively reduced the trust fund by $1.2 billion.

The bill gives the Treasury Department authority to transfer funds to fix the accounting problem.

Now if only you could fix your own tax errors that easily.

(snip)


Where did that "$1.2 billion" go?

64 posted on 09/23/2001 2:47:35 PM PDT by Nita Nupress
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65 posted on 09/23/2001 2:47:54 PM PDT by backhoe (Has that clinton "legacy" made you feel *safer* yet? ? ?)
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To: Clinton's a liar, UPI, all
FR is acting so WEIRD!! Disregard my email to you; I got back in.

Here's the last article I posted. And someone needs to go Googling and pull up the "Feb. 4, 1997, CAPITOL HILL HEARING OF THE SENATE FINANCE COMMITTEE." The subject is: "AIRPORT AND AIRWAY TRUST FUND" and it was chaired by Sen. Wm. Roth (R-De). It's much too long for me to post here, but it has some VERY interesting "explanations" from some guy at Treasury Dept on what happened to that $1.2 billion that disappeared due to an "accounting error." Sen. Graham and others had some good questions and sounded really skeptical.

Someone other than me needs to read it to see if it's possible the the "missing" money went into the airline's pockets (and consequently into the Gore/DNC campaign).

Here's the article from Thread 1:


 

Not for commercial use. Solely to be used for the educational purposes of research and open discussion.

Journal of Commerce
February 24, 1997 
Monday SPECIAL REPORT; Pg. 4

News & Views
Ira Rosenfeld

(snip)

OUR COVER STORY this month is about the threat of terrorism in the sky. The White House Commission on Aviation Safety and Security this month made its final recommendations to President Clinton.

Among the most controversial is the proposed use of automated passenger profiles to help keep would-be terrorists off commercial airliners.

Many of the proposals already are being implemented at the nation's airlines and airports.

Overall, the commission called for a major upgrade of Federal Aviation Administration safety and security measures in an effort to reduce the rate of airplane accidents by ""a factor of five'' in the next 10 years.

While the risk of dying in a plane crash remains low, a projection by Boeing Co. showed that unless the global accident rate is reduced, an airliner will crash somewhere on Earth nearly every week by 2015.

Mr. Gore said at the commission's final meeting that the National Aeronautics and Space Administration will change its aviation programs to focus on safety research.

A cost estimate for implementing all of the committee's recommendations was not immediately available, but the commission did urge that cost not be the only basis for deciding whether to put new safety rules into effect.

Sometimes a safety rule should go ahead even when the benefits cannot be easily measured, the commissioners said.

Automated profiles, bomb-sniffing dogs and better training of security officers were among the commission's earlier recommendations.

Automated profiling involves using computers to, among other things, scan the travel history and possible criminal pasts of passengers to identify potential terrorists. Civil libertarians already are lining up in opposition to the plan.

THE FREE RIDE IS OVER. The House Ways and Means Committee, following the Senate Finance Committee, has passed a bill to reinstate a package of expired aviation taxes.

Money from the tax is used to pay for airport and air traffic control system improvements through the Airport and Airways Trust Fund. The bill extends through Sept. 30 a 10 percent tax on commercial airline tickets, a $6- a-ticket tax on international departures, a 6.25 percent tax on domestic air cargo and excise charges on noncommercial aviation fuel. These taxes bring roughly $20 million daily into the Airport and Airway Trust Fund, which finances airport modernization.


Several major airlines were hoping to replace the tax with user fees.

The law imposing the tax expired at the end of last year, and officials argue that the fund would shortly run out of money unless Congress acts.

Last week, the Treasury Department conceded it made an accounting error that effectively reduced the trust fund by $1.2 billion.

The bill gives the Treasury Department authority to transfer funds to fix the accounting problem.

Now if only you could fix your own tax errors that easily.

(snip)


Where did that "$1.2 billion" go?

66 posted on 09/23/2001 2:48:11 PM PDT by Nita Nupress
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To: Clinton's a liar, UPI, all
FR is acting so WEIRD!! Disregard my email to you; I got back in.

Here's the last article I posted. And someone needs to go Googling and pull up the "Feb. 4, 1997, CAPITOL HILL HEARING OF THE SENATE FINANCE COMMITTEE." The subject is: "AIRPORT AND AIRWAY TRUST FUND" and it was chaired by Sen. Wm. Roth (R-De). It's much too long for me to post here, but it has some VERY interesting "explanations" from some guy at Treasury Dept on what happened to that $1.2 billion that disappeared due to an "accounting error." Sen. Graham and others had some good questions and sounded really skeptical.

Someone other than me needs to read it to see if it's possible the the "missing" money went into the airline's pockets (and consequently into the Gore/DNC campaign).

Here's the article from Thread 1:


 

Not for commercial use. Solely to be used for the educational purposes of research and open discussion.

Journal of Commerce
February 24, 1997 
Monday SPECIAL REPORT; Pg. 4

News & Views
Ira Rosenfeld

(snip)

OUR COVER STORY this month is about the threat of terrorism in the sky. The White House Commission on Aviation Safety and Security this month made its final recommendations to President Clinton.

Among the most controversial is the proposed use of automated passenger profiles to help keep would-be terrorists off commercial airliners.

Many of the proposals already are being implemented at the nation's airlines and airports.

Overall, the commission called for a major upgrade of Federal Aviation Administration safety and security measures in an effort to reduce the rate of airplane accidents by ""a factor of five'' in the next 10 years.

While the risk of dying in a plane crash remains low, a projection by Boeing Co. showed that unless the global accident rate is reduced, an airliner will crash somewhere on Earth nearly every week by 2015.

Mr. Gore said at the commission's final meeting that the National Aeronautics and Space Administration will change its aviation programs to focus on safety research.

A cost estimate for implementing all of the committee's recommendations was not immediately available, but the commission did urge that cost not be the only basis for deciding whether to put new safety rules into effect.

Sometimes a safety rule should go ahead even when the benefits cannot be easily measured, the commissioners said.

Automated profiles, bomb-sniffing dogs and better training of security officers were among the commission's earlier recommendations.

Automated profiling involves using computers to, among other things, scan the travel history and possible criminal pasts of passengers to identify potential terrorists. Civil libertarians already are lining up in opposition to the plan.

THE FREE RIDE IS OVER. The House Ways and Means Committee, following the Senate Finance Committee, has passed a bill to reinstate a package of expired aviation taxes.

Money from the tax is used to pay for airport and air traffic control system improvements through the Airport and Airways Trust Fund. The bill extends through Sept. 30 a 10 percent tax on commercial airline tickets, a $6- a-ticket tax on international departures, a 6.25 percent tax on domestic air cargo and excise charges on noncommercial aviation fuel. These taxes bring roughly $20 million daily into the Airport and Airway Trust Fund, which finances airport modernization.


Several major airlines were hoping to replace the tax with user fees.

The law imposing the tax expired at the end of last year, and officials argue that the fund would shortly run out of money unless Congress acts.

Last week, the Treasury Department conceded it made an accounting error that effectively reduced the trust fund by $1.2 billion.

The bill gives the Treasury Department authority to transfer funds to fix the accounting problem.

Now if only you could fix your own tax errors that easily.

(snip)


Where did that "$1.2 billion" go?

67 posted on 09/23/2001 2:48:38 PM PDT by Nita Nupress
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To: Clinton's a liar
Excellent, Bump!!
68 posted on 09/23/2001 2:49:14 PM PDT by JPJones
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To: Nita Nupress
Thank you, Nita!
69 posted on 09/23/2001 2:49:39 PM PDT by Clinton's a liar
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To: Clinton's a liar
I've been keeping up with and reading all the posts. I am not shocked one bit of this news. It's not amazing, or unbelievable. It is just another day at the office for this group of lying, thieving, whoring, traitorist bastards. I sincerely hope this starts some serious investagations. Do you think this is why Gore is keeping such a low profile lately? Hmmmmmmm.
70 posted on 09/23/2001 2:49:53 PM PDT by WIMom
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To: WIMom
"Do you think this is why Gore is keeping such a low profile lately?"

This is a timebomb waiting to go off for Mr. Gore. Let's hope it explodes soon.

71 posted on 09/23/2001 2:52:56 PM PDT by Clinton's a liar
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To: Clinton's a liar
In theory, that CIA memo on Victoria represented a major felony for conducting espionage on U.S. citizens. That's no small indicator of what's actually true true in America; as well as the protection received. Major bummer!
72 posted on 09/23/2001 2:53:26 PM PDT by SKYDRIFTER
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To: Clinton's a liar
Will we live to see the NYT investigate and report this as the treason that it is? I bet it takes a Chinese W88 nuclear exlposion on Wall Steet before they seriously report on the Dems selling out our national security to all takers. Maybe not even then.
73 posted on 09/23/2001 2:55:58 PM PDT by spycatcher
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To: JPJones
Thanks for the bump!
74 posted on 09/23/2001 3:00:44 PM PDT by Clinton's a liar
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To: SKYDRIFTER
Major bummer, indeed!
75 posted on 09/23/2001 3:01:22 PM PDT by Clinton's a liar
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To: spycatcher
Isn't is sad, that an attack on our country has the sheeple waking up? Can we hope that justice might be realized? I truly have been praying that maybe this time justice will be served.
76 posted on 09/23/2001 3:02:04 PM PDT by WIMom
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To: spycatcher
"Will we live to see the NYT investigate and report this as the treason that it is?"

Don't hold your breath, spycatcher. We'd like to keep you around!

77 posted on 09/23/2001 3:02:21 PM PDT by Clinton's a liar
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To: spycatcher
Will we live to see the NYT investigate and report this as the treason that it is?

No way. They may use it to bash the Airlines exclusively with it though. A bunch of Freepers sent the original Washington Times article to O'reilly and Limbaugh and various news outlets last week. Apparently, they were not interested.

78 posted on 09/23/2001 3:07:36 PM PDT by bjs1779
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To: bjs1779
"Apparently, they were not interested."

Immediately after a devastating attack such as this country has just sustained is, perhaps, not the appropriate time to come out of the gate bashing people on the head. We have now had almost two weeks pass. Let's see what they do in the coming week or two.

Regards.

79 posted on 09/23/2001 3:15:05 PM PDT by Clinton's a liar
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To: bjs1779
Sad to see that even Drudge isn't interested. It appears that as long as the Dems back Bush, many conservatives don't want to show them to be traitors for 30 pieces if silver.

To me that's what makes it different from the blame game and looking for the gross negligence of bureaucrats.

**The Dems took cold hard cash into their pockets, skipped town, and left American citizens with the trillion dollar bill, 7,000 dead, and terror hanging over our children's heads.**

80 posted on 09/23/2001 3:17:38 PM PDT by spycatcher
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