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'The Americans love Pepsi Cola, but we love death'
The Telegraph UK ^ | 9/24/01 | David Blair

Posted on 09/23/2001 5:53:31 PM PDT by vrwc54

THE garish posters were emblazoned with AK-47 assault rifles and the slogan "Jihad is our existence", exactly matching the mood of the intense, bearded figures seated beneath them.

The veteran fighters from Afghanistan's Mujahideen exchanged memories of their victorious war against the former Soviet Union, fought between 1979 and 1989, with delight. On one point, they were adamant - any American soldier entering Afghanistan would share the fate of the Soviet army and almost every other invading force since Alexander the Great.

Mountain tribes, who have the art of warfare in their blood, would use guerrilla tactics against the Americans with the same devastating effect. Maulana Inyadullah, who began fighting the Soviet invasion in 1982 at the age of 16, declared that his fellow Afghans relish the prospect of an American attack.

"War is our best hobby. The sound of guns firing is like music for us. We cannot live without war. We have no other way except jihad," he said.

Veterans of Afghanistan's war against the Soviet Union, when the Mujahideen fought the invaders with large-scale American backing, can be found on any street corner in the Pakistani city of Peshawar. The Afghan frontier is barely 30 miles away and there are hundreds of thousands of refugees in the city.

Yet the most experienced fighters are now engaged in other tasks. Mr Inyadullah and his colleagues are based in the office of one of Pakistan's main Muslim fundamentalist parties. By their own account, they are training guerrillas for the war inside Indian controlled Kashmir. What they call "India's terrorism" ranks alongside America in their pantheon of evil.

But if any American troops set foot in Afghanistan, they will return to their homeland and join a new jihad against the latest foreign invader. They view their possible opponent with genial contempt.

Mr Inyadullah, 35, said: "The Americans would be easier to defeat than the Russians. The Americans lead lavish lives and they are afraid of death. We are not afraid of death. The Americans love Pepsi Cola, we love death."

By contrast, the former fighters had a wary respect for Russian soldiers, especially those from the Spetsnaz special forces. Ali Amjud, 40, paid tribute to the prowess of the invaders he had fought from the first to the last day of the 10 year conflict. "The Russians were very brave and they were used to mountain warfare. The Spetsnaz were very dangerous, they climbed mountains like goats."

On one occasion, Mr Amjud awoke to find his mountainside encampment under night attack from a Spetsnaz force. He escaped after six hours of hand to hand fighting. A few months later, when his group ambushed a Soviet armoured column in the Noor Pass, he was hit by splinters from a tank shell and seriously wounded.

Yet Mr Amjud never had any doubts about final victory. "All the weapons, training and technology of the Russians gave way because they had no purpose in life. They only fought for a salary. We fought for the cause of Islam, because Allah commanded us.

"We embraced death, we were willing to be martyrs," he said. Both Mr Amjud and Mr Inyadullah fought with Hezb-e-Islam, a fundamentalist faction of the Mujahideen led by Gulbuddin Hekmatyar. After the Russians were driven out in 1989, they left Afghanistan to spread the message of jihad, with numerous other veterans.

With messianic zeal, they proclaim that the greatest terrorists in the world are the twin forces of Judaism and America. Yet they are anxious to make a good impression on a isitor. After talking about warfare with relish and railing against the evils of the West, they present a more moderate face.

"We never fight states or religions," said Mr Inyadullah. "We only fight evil. Christians are the closest people to Muslims and the Koran says they are noble people. The American people are Christians and we have nothing against them. It is only their government we fight."

Yet the blazing rhetoric and the posters that glorify slaughter make a deeper impression than the occasional lapse into reassuring words.



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Real charmers.
1 posted on 09/23/2001 5:53:31 PM PDT by vrwc54
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To: vrwc54
Good article.

Mark my words - we need to use weapons of mass destruction to defeat the enemy. And sooner, rather than later.

2 posted on 09/23/2001 5:58:55 PM PDT by neutrino (Neutrino)
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To: neutrino
We're not planning on occupying Afghanistan. We're going to wage a guerilla war against guerillas. And it's going to be a night-time guerilla war. I wonder how well these guys fight in the dark?

And American troops have something to fight for: justice for the 7000 killed 9/11.

3 posted on 09/23/2001 6:04:51 PM PDT by Aquinasfan
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To: vrwc54
They have nothing against American citizens. Yeah right, thats why knocking over those two buildings. Liars.

They seem to think US Special Forces are the same as Soviet era conscripts. Keep on believing it Omar.

A hint of fear creeps in when they talk of Spetznaz, but our Spec Forces are a bit more advanced than the Spetznaz of 1980.

They also say that the Soviets only fought for pay. But our Special Forces will be fighting for revenge.

Keep on underestimating us Omar.
4 posted on 09/23/2001 6:06:04 PM PDT by Arkinsaw
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To: vrwc54
Wrong (again), we love Liberty, and we will accommodate their death wish. But I think they are just beating their chests.

Remember, America was founded in a war which the battle cry was "Give me Liberty, or give me death"

5 posted on 09/23/2001 6:06:18 PM PDT by Jupiter II
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To: Aquinasfan
It's a good thing they love death. They will soon embrace it.
6 posted on 09/23/2001 6:06:25 PM PDT by Abcdefg
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To: vrwc54
So, who's taking the 'Pepsi Taste Challenge'?!?

Nobody in Ashcanistan, apparently.

Maybe they're just 'Coke Classic' guys. Like me.;^)

7 posted on 09/23/2001 6:07:05 PM PDT by headsonpikes
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To: vrwc54
The Americans love Pepsi Cola, we love death.

Good because they are about to get their wish!!

8 posted on 09/23/2001 6:07:12 PM PDT by mdittmar
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To: vrwc54
All true-blooded americans do indeed love Pepsi! We'll keep that, they can have death.
9 posted on 09/23/2001 6:08:57 PM PDT by pepsi_junkie
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To: vrwc54
History shows that there are no invincible armies and never have been. Napoleon, Hitler, Hannibal, all were beaten when they were considered untouchable.

The Taliban may be full of themselves after dispatching the Soviet Union, (with big-time aid from the USA), but like those before them, they, too will be crushed.

11 posted on 09/23/2001 6:16:11 PM PDT by welfareworker
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To: vrwc54
Maybe Omar will love Pepsi-Cola when he gets a load of Kim Cattrall in that satanic Little Red Riding Hood ad for PepsiOne??
12 posted on 09/23/2001 6:17:50 PM PDT by pray4liberty
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To: mdittmar
Sounds like Tokyo Rose has a new job. :^)
13 posted on 09/23/2001 6:21:30 PM PDT by meyer
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To: pepsi_junkie
All true-blooded americans do indeed love Pepsi! We'll keep that, they can have death.

You traitorous #!&*%$@* lying scum!!! How dare you regurgitate enemy propaganda??? All true-blooded Americans love Coca-Cola, and we spit on the Pepsi infidels!!!!!!!

14 posted on 09/23/2001 6:30:39 PM PDT by dpwiener
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To: dpwiener
No arguments here!

You from Atlanta, too?

15 posted on 09/23/2001 6:35:21 PM PDT by FreedomPoster
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To: vrwc54
The Americans love Pepsi Cola, we love death."

Well Ahmed, It's your lucky day... You're about to get all you can handle.

16 posted on 09/23/2001 6:35:53 PM PDT by DAnconia55
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To: dpwiener
Just wait till they get to try some US. "JOLT COLA" All the sugar and Twice the caffeen of your regular attack.

Next we'll use the secret "Budwine" insertion.

17 posted on 09/23/2001 6:39:48 PM PDT by tet68
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To: vrwc54
"We are not afraid of death. "

Let's nuke'em then!! The sooner the better. Sooner rather than later.

18 posted on 09/23/2001 6:40:16 PM PDT by the Deejay
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To: tet68
You have to be from Athens to understand Budwine.
19 posted on 09/23/2001 6:40:31 PM PDT by tet68
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To: vrwc54
Yet Mr Amjud never had any doubts about final victory. "All the weapons, training and technology of the Russians gave way because they had no purpose in life. They only fought for a salary. We fought for the cause of Islam, because Allah commanded us.

Our boys will not be fighting for a salary - They will fighting to avenge the death of seven thousand of their fellow citizens. The Afghans are fighting to defend an unruly houseguest who has outworn his welcome.

20 posted on 09/23/2001 6:40:59 PM PDT by LouD
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To: vrwc54
The Americans love Pepsi Cola, we love death."

Actually, I prefer Diet Coke, but I think we Americans can accommodate their death wish. With pleasure.

21 posted on 09/23/2001 6:42:58 PM PDT by No Truce With Kings
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To: vrwc54
The War is against Mohammedanism. Let's stop fooling ourselves.
22 posted on 09/23/2001 6:44:05 PM PDT by GuillermoX
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To: vrwc54
Yes, the Russians fought for a salary, I will fight for free. You killed my countrymen. I will fight for free, and yes, I will relish in your death.
23 posted on 09/23/2001 6:45:45 PM PDT by RaceBannon
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To: dpwiener
Caca Cola is for wusses. Dr. Pepper, Mtn Dew, and Jolt cola, on the other hand...
24 posted on 09/23/2001 6:47:02 PM PDT by piasa
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To: vrwc54
It was said that after the Flood, the Earth would be destroyed the next time by fire. Those in Biblical times knew of the Middle East as their "world". What better description of a FAE device and/or tactical nuclear weapons than fire and brimstone. Perhaps, the seekers of their own deaths may get their reward.
25 posted on 09/23/2001 6:50:12 PM PDT by Thumper1960
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To: RaceBannon
So... how many other countries has Afghanistan conquered? Has anyone ever heard of Afghani hegemony? Afghani imperialism? Afghani colonialism? The Afghan empire?
26 posted on 09/23/2001 6:52:45 PM PDT by piasa
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To: vrwc54
Mountain tribes, who have the art of warfare in their blood,

Yeah, whatever. I was wondering when the mystical nonsense being bandied about regarding these people would ratchet up a notch into fairy-tale territory. Next we'll be hearing all about how their midichlorian blood count is off the charts....

We are not afraid of death. The Americans love Pepsi Cola, we love death."

Hmmm. Seems like there should be some way to reconcile these two respective loves and make both sides happy. Although not completely. I happen to prefer Coke to Pepsi....

27 posted on 09/23/2001 6:52:53 PM PDT by Dr. Frank fan
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To: piasa
Be a "Pepper"? Mountain "Dew" is what's left on the ground after a goat takes his morning...........sabbatical. Jolt....welll.....we all need a Jolt from time to time.
28 posted on 09/23/2001 6:53:17 PM PDT by Thumper1960
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To: vrwc54
We are not afraid of death. The Americans love Pepsi Cola, we love death

That's it... I want my country back! Hubby called me slightly to the right of Gengis Kahn tonight at dinner. I say round 'em up-ship 'em out! Too bad if we hurt feelings of the good ME's.. Too bad for them. These people ARE WACK JOBS.. worse than Hitler. You want ethnic cleansing? You got it. LET'S ROLL!

29 posted on 09/23/2001 6:53:44 PM PDT by nagdt
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To: dpwiener
Coca Cola? oh you mean that multicultural world drink. Yes, I've heard of it.
30 posted on 09/23/2001 6:57:09 PM PDT by pepsi_junkie
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To: vrwc54
Poor idiots have no idea what is coming their way. They love death they say? We will see about that. They have nothing to lose?

Well, we do, and we love life, our fighting men could get a better salary doing anything else, they love freedom, they fight for an ideal, they have everything to lose.

This is why we will win.

31 posted on 09/23/2001 6:57:36 PM PDT by MissAmericanPie
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To: vrwc54
Afghanistan's Mujahideen defeated Soviet troops only because of US arms and some help from other Muslim countries.

Now, Taliban is alone, I suppose (except some refugees from Pakistan). It'll be easier to defeat them sooner or later - maybe with help of Afghan Northern Alliance.

32 posted on 09/23/2001 6:59:48 PM PDT by matcrazy
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To: vrwc54
Well, what I would say to them is, Come and Get US boys! The Posse is forming up! We'd be glad to treat you to some Western Style Justice and we aren't talking about peace.
33 posted on 09/23/2001 7:01:46 PM PDT by mjf
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To: vrwc54
Mr Inyadullah, 35, said: "The Americans would be easier to defeat than the Russians. The Americans lead lavish lives and they are afraid of death. We are not afraid of death. The Americans love Pepsi Cola, we love death."

"Come get some..." -- Ash, "Army of Darkness"

34 posted on 09/23/2001 7:02:11 PM PDT by Dan Day
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To: vrwc54
The Americans love Pepsi Cola, we love death.

So drown the little creep in a cask of Pepsi. Then he can decide which he likes best.

35 posted on 09/23/2001 7:02:42 PM PDT by BurkeanCyclist
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To: GuillermoX
We have to keep that in mind, they strongly believe their God is behind them 100%. Not only that, but Allah will reward those who die with a paradise beyond their dreams. They will fight until every last one is dead.

Our side, once it wins its current primary objective, the removal of bin Laden; will gradually lose interest barring further attacks inside our borders. Our side will miss our homes and families, while they are fighting on their doorsteps to protect theirs. I am sorry to say that this really is a no win situation for us. All out war can do nothing for our side.

As an alternative, now that we know who, and have a pretty good idea as to where they are, a few single well placed shots would solve a lot of problems. Drop one bad guy here, another there, over a period of time and without any evidence to tie us to it. Our country expresses its sympathy for the loss of their leaders, obviously resulting from an unknown terrorist organization. "Oh when will it ever stop" we will lament, as we plan on the next event.

36 posted on 09/23/2001 7:06:00 PM PDT by Brad C.
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To: Thumper1960
I was rating them not on their slogans... but rather on the amount of gas they produce.
37 posted on 09/23/2001 7:06:30 PM PDT by piasa
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To: vrwc54
Maybe we should start air dropping packages of coke and pepsi along with some of our good junk food wrapped in packages of the flag and other US symbols to the Afghan civilians. And some other Western artifacts and trinkets, maybe some magazines with messages ---maybe pictoral showing how it's bin Laden and the Taliban denying them, maybe show bin Laden next to his stacks of coins and some wanted dead or alive posters. Maybe let them see the size of the reward for bin Laden'd head.
38 posted on 09/23/2001 7:11:28 PM PDT by FITZ
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To: vrwc54
Anyone who lives in an open sewer called Afghanistan, with no food, no culture, no medicine, no future, ofcourse would rather die. I am not surprised at their self hatred. They have ruined a beautiful place. They deserve to die.
39 posted on 09/23/2001 7:11:31 PM PDT by imperator2
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To: vrwc54
Latest word is that the Taliban is crumbling under attack by the other factions in Afghanistan, who've had it with them. We may not even have to go in.

This seems to disappoint some people.

40 posted on 09/23/2001 7:12:25 PM PDT by 537 Votes
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To: vrwc54
Americans love Pepsi Cola, but we love death'

Damn, they're getting serious with those blind taste tests.

41 posted on 09/23/2001 7:14:07 PM PDT by TruthShallSetYouFree
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To: GuillermoX
The War is against Mohammedanism. Let's stop fooling ourselves.

Bump. Pace Fukuyama, history hasn't "ended"---it's back with a vengeance. Muslims have not ever, do not now, and will not ever accept Western norms or pre-eminence. That means they do not accept democracy, freedom of religion, freedom of speech, equality between the sexes, and a host of other conditions that we take for granted. They certainly will not accept an international order that they do not control.

Yes indeed, this is a war---or really a continuation of the West's age-old war---against Islam. And if we don't realize it now, we'll have to realize it soon.

42 posted on 09/23/2001 7:14:16 PM PDT by Map Kernow
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To: piasa
LM*AO

:->

43 posted on 09/23/2001 7:16:33 PM PDT by Thumper1960
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To: Race Bannon, DAnconia55 , CHIEF negotiator, ChaseR, CheneyChick, tet68
....:Mr Inyadullah, 35, said: "The Americans would be easier to defeat than the Russians. The Americans lead lavish lives and they are afraid of death. We are not afraid of death. The Americans love Pepsi Cola, we love death."........

Mr Inyadullah is going to find out that the desire to live is just as strong or stronger then their hangup on dying. Americans can do more then one thing at once. Like KILLING the enemy and sipping a CocaCola at the same time. ...... Yes Mr Inyadullah...things do go better with CocaCola.

44 posted on 09/23/2001 7:16:51 PM PDT by Snow Bunny
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To: piasa
Did some research. This is all I could come up with. A shawl, a rug, and a dog. Quite a civilization!

afghan.

A coverlet or shawl of wool, knitted or crocheted in colorful geometric designs.
A carpet of similar design.
An Afghan hound.

45 posted on 09/23/2001 7:21:11 PM PDT by TruthShallSetYouFree
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To: the Deejay
"The object of war is not to die for your country, but to make the other bastard die for his." - General George Patton.

I agree with you, nuke 'em till they glow then shoot 'em in the dark.

46 posted on 09/23/2001 7:25:14 PM PDT by Licensed-To-Carry (Let's Roll)
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To: TruthShallSetYouFree

Pick one!

47 posted on 09/23/2001 7:33:35 PM PDT by AndrewC
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To: AndrewC
Was there a Single Malt Scotch as one of the options? Nice graphic.
48 posted on 09/23/2001 7:35:48 PM PDT by TruthShallSetYouFree
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To: pepsi_junkie
Coca Cola? oh you mean that multicultural world drink. Yes, I've heard of it.

I guess when Coke was teaching the world to sing in perfect harmony, Osama didn't get the memo.

49 posted on 09/23/2001 7:37:31 PM PDT by TruthShallSetYouFree
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To: Map Kernow
Yup. Fukuyama is an ass.

And I wonder what the Wall St Journal has to say now about their proposed Amendment, "There Shall Be No Borders"? Think they learned anything?

50 posted on 09/23/2001 7:38:52 PM PDT by Pelham
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