Posted on 09/24/2001 2:42:22 AM PDT by DLfromthedesert
For a real depressing outlook on reality, read Garet Garrett's The Revolution Was (1938). The America that was ... is no more. The battle is new ... yet many are still fighting the old battles, never realizing they are swinging at ghosts.
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That's how I see this entire matter, DL.
BTW; good morning 2u2.
I would rot in prison before accepting a National I.D. Card!
If this ever comes to pass you can just change the name of the country from USA to USSA.
Nobody has mentioned the next step of incramental personal destruction, the issuance of the UN ID card.
Is this the same GOVERNMENT NOW ON THE VERGE OF PROPOSING NATIONAL ID CARDS?? </font color=red>
We'll see what happens.
No, it couldn't. The connection between forcing regular American citizens to register their ID info with the gov't and to carry little cards, and stopping terrorism, is nonexistent.
Just because these people put the phrase "...to fight terrorism" at the end of their sentences doesn't mean that what they are proposing would actually help fight terrorism.
I mean two can play that game: "Every person whose name begins with the letter 'G' shall have a hole drilled all the way through his/er head....to fight terrorism." See what I mean?
Right now we have all sorts of ID papers anyway. We jump through the hoops and carry them like good little subjects. Terrorists just forge them or get them on the black market.
The same would be true of Nat'l ID card: we obey the masters and jump through the hoops, while terrorists just forge them or get them on the black market. Yes, it would be more difficult - but not impossible. In fact the greater difficult involved would make the black market so lucrative that illegal ID trade would suddenly become a huge problem, demanding resources and manpower and (eventually) a new fed agency to fight it. In the meantime, the rest of us all have our bio stats in a centralized government database.
I wonder if the government would find....other uses for that data? You know: "We can't have that data just sitting there, going to waste! We may as well use it!"
No thanks.
It's probably a way to cull out the non-legals.
Are you kidding? No, it is not. Do you honestly believe our politicians have any intent on culling out illegals? Why haven't they done so then? They could do so right now.
The reason is politics. Democrats like having additional potential voters. Republicans don't want to appear "racist". That's it. These are the same people who have intentionally let your country flood with illegals for selfish reasons - then some illegals commit mass murder - and their "solution" is to force you to get an ID card? Give me a break.
PS: Oh yeah I have one more argument against the ID card for you. I will not submit to one. I promise. The government will therefore have to throw me in jail, or kill me. So, consider that. If you support this policy, you support throwing innocent average people like me in jail (or killing them) if they won't allow themselves to be forced by people working for The Government to carry a little plastic magnetic-stripe card. Think about it, and whether you think that is worth it. Or moral.
Sounds like something right up the fedgovs alley - throw money at it, lots of money!
Huh? I don't want a pedophile in my neighborhood at all. If he's a pedophile then why ain't he still in jail? (to put it another way: the answer to pedophiles is longer sentences for pedophiles.)
most want to know if a contagious disease were spreading,
Fair enough. The analogy between contagious diseases and terrorism is flawed, however. A contagious disease can be passed by anyone to anyone, without their knowledge or consent, and so anyone can become a carrier. That's why we call it "contagious".
Terrorism is not "contagious" in this matter, not even close. It simply makes no sense, therefore, to force little old ladies from Wichita and fratboys from Chico State to wear little ID cards because of acts which are almost the sole province of radical Islamicists.
It is not a sacrifice for a person to have to identify themselves.
I'm happy to identify myself verbally to anyone who asks politely.
Wake up!
You wake up. You are being sold a bill of goods and you're falling for it hook line and sinker. Lemme ask you something, can you tell me how the events would have been better on 9/11 if all the law-abiding citizens on the plane were carrying little valid plastic cards? Huh?
(You don't think terrorists will carry valid cards do you? They will forge, steal, fake them.)
It will not affect what little time I may have left but I see drugs decimating our society,our country being overrun by illegals,our elections being controlled by those inelgible or illegal to vote.
Yes, these things are horrible, and I wish the government would put a stop to them by closing our damn borders. They do not need a National ID card to do this. In fact one thing has virtually nothing to do with the other. How does forcing a red-blooded American guy to get an ID card help close the borders?
If they wanted to close the borders, they could, and would. The fact is, they don't want to. Democrats want extra instant-voters, and Republicans are weak-kneed about being called "racists". So, let that sink in: our politicians don't want to stop illegal or legal immigration in the first place.
Sure makes you wonder why they want all us law-abiding Americans to carry ID cards, don't it?
The biggest problem in America today is that we have too many laws and not enough accountability for our governing systems.
Agreed that this is a big problem. Not sure how writing still more laws creating a National ID card (and, presumably, an agency to enforce all this) is supposed to rectify the situation.
Government is never held accountable regardless of what anyone says
All the more reason to actually hold them accountable this time. Tell them to close the damn borders. Don't buy into this "National ID card" smokescreen. It won't help them close the damn borders, and even if it would, they don't want to. They really don't. I guarantee it.
Good point. The war, of course, is against Terrorists. Not the American people.
While we should be talking about blasting away the Terrorists out of their hideouts, you are discussing forcing all Americans to carry little cards. And you think this is accomplishing something?
I don't get it.
Actually there was such a system in place. Well, a similar one, at least. It's called "Visas".
Many of the terrorists were apparently here on lapsed Visas (and had known terrorist links to boot). Why weren't they rounded up and sent home then? You tell me.
If the FBI doesn't have the political willpower to round up and send home people who are known to have terrorist links and lapsed Visas, then what makes you think they will after a Nat'l ID card is in place?
Could it be because the Toon had sent the CIA instead to find those evil video pirates instead of dangerous terrorists at the request of his Hollywood buddies?
Nah.
By George I think you're on to something.
Can't believe how many people here seem to think that 9/11 is somehow our fault for not registering our identities with the government extensively enough. The government is floating this idea towards us, saying the magic words "it's for your own safety", and many here are flat-out buying it hook line and sinker - without even bothering to think about it.
And nor do they think about any of the real factors and mistakes which allow terrorist events like 9/11 to happen. You know, like the accessibility of cockpits from the passenger cabins. Or, the factor you just mentioned, which deserves a bump.
Best,
* * OK, that pic is not really related. Actual caption: President Clinton holds up his smart card that enables his electronic signature Friday, June 30, 2000 in Philadelphia. Clinton signed a bill Friday giving an online "John Hancock" the same legal validity as a signature in pen and ink. He signed the legislation electronically, but did it first the old-fashioned way as well.(AP Photo/Ron Edmonds)
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