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TALIBAN PEOPLE JUST OPENLY SAID TO KILL AMERICANS IS ISLAMIC DUTY
ABC GOOD MORNING AMERICA ^ | 09/28/01 | RACEBANNON

Posted on 09/28/2001 4:53:36 AM PDT by RaceBannon

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To: TKEman
I don’t think this is a religious war. Their distorted religious interpretations of their ancient books is just their own particular “ideology”. The Nazis had their ideology, the Japs had theirs, the Russians and Chinese had theirs. I think this is a jealousy problem. The savages are jealous of our success, and they want to destroy us and “rule the world” themselves.
101 posted on 09/28/2001 10:16:34 PM PDT by Fred25
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To: AppyPappy

"The Koran attributes Allah as the God Of Abraham."

One more thing...

On the one hand you cite the Koran as an authority when it comes to calling "Allah" the "God of Abraham," yet you reject the Koran as an authority when it says that Christ is not God nor the Son of God. So which is it? Is the Koran your authoity on Islam or not?

Or is there a third possibility here? Do you yourself deny the deity of Christ? Are you a Jehovah's Witness, Christian Scientist, Unitarian, or a Mormon, Appy? Is this why you find more in common spiritually with a Muslim than a Christian?

Inquiring minds want to know...

102 posted on 09/28/2001 10:21:38 PM PDT by Stingray
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To: Stingray
"Allah is the God of Abraham."

You continue to assert this, presumably using the Koran as your authority, and yet would the God of Abraham deny His only begotten son, as you have been shown to be the case in the Koran?

Islamic Arabs have told me that they believe Allah is the God of Abraham. The word “Allah” is just the Arabic word for “God”. The Arabs believe they descended from Hagar and Ishmael, while the Jews descended from Sarah and Isaac. The father of both men was Abraham. They believe Hagar was an Egyptian who was a slave of Abraham.

103 posted on 09/28/2001 10:21:51 PM PDT by Fred25
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To: Fred25

Islamic Arabs have told me that they believe Allah is the God of Abraham. The word “Allah” is just the Arabic word for “God”. The Arabs believe they descended from Hagar and Ishmael, while the Jews descended from Sarah and Isaac. The father of both men was Abraham. They believe Hagar was an Egyptian who was a slave of Abraham.

They are descended from Hagar and Ishmael, and are - in fact - half-brothers of the Jews. The God of Abraham, however, came to this world as a child, born of a virgin, and was crucified for us all - Gentile and Jew. Islam rejects this in the strongest possible terms, as was shown to Appy from his authority on Islam, the Koran itself (see post #27, above.)

Simply because someone is biologically related to someone else does not in any way mean that they necessarily will worship the same God, and - in fact - this is what has happened to Semites (among others) who worship "Allah." "Allah" is just another name for Ba'al, Dagon, Nimrod, and a host of other "false gods" that cropped up in that part of the world. The fact that so many believe the lie that is Islam does not make it true.

104 posted on 09/28/2001 10:32:08 PM PDT by Stingray
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To: The Documentary Lady
Our attack no matter what form will be exploited and used for islamic propaganda..they as a whole will turn on us..in the meantime even the US Secret Service gets browbeat and PC'd into letting a terrorist supporter masquerading as a " holy moslem" sit next to Bush in the White House!! This cleric gave a eulogy at the memorial service ! How horrible, how naive are we as a people ? Sorry,but most of these "holy men" live in the 10th century and they do hate the western culture
105 posted on 09/28/2001 10:45:40 PM PDT by lawdog
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To: Goetz_von_Berlichingen
If this "allah" fellow is the God of Abraham, how comes it that his most literal supporters call for the expulsion of the Jews from Israel, the desecration of Jewish holy places, and a prohibition against the re-building of the Temple?

Find that in the Koran for me. You are confusing a religion with the actions of its followers.

106 posted on 09/29/2001 4:50:59 AM PDT by AppyPappy
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To: Stingray
The Old Testament never mentions Jesus by name so it denies the diety of Christ. Is it worthless?

I don't see how you can call yourself a Christian and deny the worth of the Old Testament.

107 posted on 09/29/2001 4:53:07 AM PDT by AppyPappy
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To: Stingray
I don't deny the diety of Christ. I simply said that Allah is not a moon-god but the God of Abraham according to the Koran. You are so desparate to believe something (moon-god) that you will attack anyone who disagrees with you. You made up this silly "moon-god" thing because it tickled your ears.
108 posted on 09/29/2001 4:56:26 AM PDT by AppyPappy
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To: Stingray
"You made up this silly "moon-god" thing because it tickled your ears."
108 Posted on 09/29/2001 04:56:26 PDT by AppyPappy

The following is the genesis of your exchange with someone else regarding the issue of Allah as the "moon god."


To: syriacus
Mohammed was educated by private Jewish and Christian turors when he was a boy. His desire was to unite the Arab world in religious unity, as he saw how that unity benefited the Jews and Christians. His original intent was to create a sect of Jewdiasm, but the Jews flatly rejected his views as heresy.

He decided that the Arabs needed one god to worship, because they were worshipping about 100,00 different gods at the time. From the plethora of idols worshipped, he chose Allah, the moon-god.
25 Posted on 09/19/2001 12:57:19 PDT by woollyone

To: woollyone
Where do ya'll get this "moon god" garbage? Allah is the God of the Jews and Christians. The Koran attributes Allah as the God Of Abraham.

Moon-god. Sheesh. And I thought the Mormans had it rough.
27 Posted on 09/19/2001 13:07:24 PDT by AppyPappy

To: AppyPappy
Pappy,
Respectfully, Allah is the moon-god & according to the founding of Mohammed, he declared allah to be the god of Abraham...which doesn't necessarily make it truth, rather just the man's declaration.
28 Posted on 09/19/2001 13:16:27 PDT by woollyone


Now, please show me where I have once mentioned the concept that Allah was the "moon god." I believe Allah is a false god, but nowhere have I ever ascribed to Allah the title "moon god."

In your desperation to salvage any shred of your credibility, you're having to resort to lies, Appy. I would have hoped you were above this, but I can see you are not.

Pity.

109 posted on 09/29/2001 5:26:08 AM PDT by Stingray
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To: AppyPappy

"The Old Testament never mentions Jesus by name so it denies the diety of Christ. Is it worthless?"

"Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel."
Isaiah 7:14

Jesus is a Greek name. The Old Testament was written in Hebrew. Yours is another wildly assinine assertion that simply illustrates your willful ignorance. Why you persist in your self-delusion is beyond me, but it doesn't speak well of you as an intellectual or a Christian.

"I don't see how you can call yourself a Christian and deny the worth of the Old Testament."

I don't deny the worth of the Old Testament. My salvation is not based on it. If you are claiming yours is, then you really don't understand what it means to be a Christian. Read Romans, Galatians and Ephesians and learn.

110 posted on 09/29/2001 5:37:20 AM PDT by Stingray
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To: AppyPappy

"I don't deny the diety of Christ. I simply said that Allah is not a moon-god but the God of Abraham according to the Koran."

According to the Koran, Christ (Messiah) is not God, nor the Son of God, but merely an apostle of God, no different than Peter, Paul, James or John. Thus, when the Koran denies a fundamental tenet of Christianity and yet you continue to cite it as a reliable source regarding other facets of montheistic beliefs, then you are complicit in spreading heresy and propagating a lie.

I'm not the only one here seeing what you're doing, Appy. I'm just the only one (apparently) who cares about you enough to try and correct your mistakes.

Take brotherly correction for what it's worth. If not, I'm done with you.

111 posted on 09/29/2001 5:49:24 AM PDT by Stingray
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To: Stingray
The Old Testament does not say that Jesus is the Son of God as well.
112 posted on 09/29/2001 6:02:45 AM PDT by AppyPappy
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To: AppyPappy

"The Old Testament does not say that Jesus is the Son of God as well."

Whatever. I give up. End of discussion.

Enjoy whatever future awaits you and have a nice day.

113 posted on 09/29/2001 6:08:39 AM PDT by Stingray
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To: Fred25
Well, I agree with you. These people are trying to dress hatred up with religious fervor. I must say that I've noticed that on FR there have been a lot of posts that I personally think go over the line.

People want to blow the hell out of Afghanistan.

I don't think the Afghan people are having any kind of say as to what actions enamate from their territory. I'm not sure it would be better under the Northern Alliance, but surely it can't get any worse.

114 posted on 09/29/2001 6:24:46 AM PDT by TKEman
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To: TKEman
People want to blow the hell out of Afghanistan. I don't think the Afghan people are having any kind of say as to what actions enamate from their territory. I'm not sure it would be better under the Northern Alliance, but surely it can't get any worse.

I feel so sorry for the Afghan women and children, and for the men who have fled with their families to the refugee camps. Unfortunately, the Afghans seem to be living in the 7th Century, just slightly out of the stone age. It’s too bad the Arab territories are so large and widespread. We were able to subdue the Japs and teach them modern Judeo-Christian morals and ethics after WW II, and they certainly benefited from that. But the Arabian countries are too vast.

I’ve got a copy of the Koran that a Saudi man gave me. It reads a lot like a mix between our Old and New Testaments. It doesn’t call for the killing of innocent people. I don’t think there is any more violence in it than there is in our Old Testament. The problem is in the way some of the crackpots misinterpret it. It’s like the way the old KKK used to misinterpret the Bible and try to justify murder by taking small Old Testament quotes out of context.

I saw a brief report on one of the news channels showing Afghan women without their head-coverings. They were nice looking, smiling, and very friendly toward the American news crew. They looked like “average folks”. Their kids were smiling and friendly too. I think we need some “smart bombs” that can distinguish between “nice folks” and “just plain jerks”. Maybe some smart bombs that can spot men with guns and go in and take them out, while sparing the women and children and the men without guns. So far, the only thing we’ve got like that are individual soldiers. Maybe it’s time to send them in.

Well, I agree with you. These people are trying to dress hatred up with religious fervor. I must say that I've noticed that on FR there have been a lot of posts that I personally think go over the line.

The “religious” part of all of this is merely the particular “ideology” of the crazy radicals among the Arabs. During WW II, the German “ideology” was racial superiority, and the Japanese “ideology” was “nationalistic superiority”. Similar to the old Russian communist-oriented ideology of a feeling of “Russian superiority”. All selfish radical ideology of one kind or another. All ego. Arabs who come to America and love America as I do are welcome in my neighborhood any time. But I think Arabs who hate this country should be exiled.

115 posted on 09/29/2001 6:57:09 AM PDT by Fred25
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To: Stingray
My interpretation is that the “God of Abraham” was not Jesus. Abraham did not pray to Jesus.
116 posted on 09/29/2001 7:07:48 AM PDT by Fred25
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To: Stingray
Islam is a ripoff of Judaism. Allah is Arabic for Elohim (God}. Muhammad was a cult leader, that stole his ideas from the Jews, and promoted his idealogy via the kind of violence that we are seeing now.

Islam had and still has it's beautiful aspects, and very ugly aspects.

It was a thriving, liberal, progressive religion in the middle ages, but has degenerated to a leaderless, variegated religion, with dozens of different interpetations, including some very bizarre and violent interpetations that we hear about now.

117 posted on 09/29/2001 7:21:32 AM PDT by imperator2
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To: Fred25

"My interpretation is that the “God of Abraham” was not Jesus. Abraham did not pray to Jesus."

Hmmm...Then perhaps you can address some of these points:

John 1:1

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

Colossians 1:15-20.

He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. For by him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things were created by him and for him.

He is before all things, and in him all things hold together.

And he is the head of the body, the church; he is the beginning and the firstborn from among the dead, so that in everything he might have the supremacy. For God was pleased to have all his fullness dwell in him, and through him to reconcile to himself all things, whether things on earth or things in heaven, by making peace through his blood, shed on the cross.

Revelation 1:8,17

"I am the Alpha and the Omega," says the Lord God, "who is, and who was, and who is to come, the Almighty."

When I saw him, I fell at his feet as though dead. Then he placed his right hand on me and said: "Do not be afraid. I am the First and the Last."

For kicks, you can also check out John 8:58, among others, where Christ claims Himself to be God. The God of Abraham is Jesus. Put another way, Jesus is God incarnate (literally, "in the flesh.")

The Koran denies this, and so from a Christian point of view, the Koran is heresy, Mohammad is a heretic and a false prophet, and Allah is a false god.

What ever are they teaching in Sunday school these days?!?!?

118 posted on 09/29/2001 7:40:36 AM PDT by Stingray
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To: imperator2

"Islam is a ripoff of Judaism."

Yes.

"It was a thriving, liberal, progressive religion in the middle ages, but has degenerated to a leaderless, variegated religion, with dozens of different interpetations, including some very bizarre and violent interpetations that we hear about now."

Tell that to the Eastern Orthodox Christians living under the Ottoman boot for centuries. I'm sure there are any number of Serbs who would be only too happy to set you straight on that score.

119 posted on 09/29/2001 7:45:51 AM PDT by Stingray
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To: Kermit
1.)Both are written by those who falsely proclaim devine and God breathed scripture.

2.)Both put more emphasis on prophets who their followers deem more important than Christ.

3.) Both believe their religion is the way the truth and the life, rather than Jesus Christ alone.

4.)Both believe that Jesus is not and was not God in the flesh.

5.)Both religions are man made and came into being proclaiming deity through a false prophet.

6.)Both have some goodness about them in the sense that the eyes of the world see, but some of their secret doctrine is not what the outside portrays.

A better understanding about mormonism

120 posted on 09/29/2001 8:01:28 AM PDT by hope
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