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Multiculturalism: Fact or Threat?
IMPRIMIS......monthy publication of Hillsdale College ^ | September 2001 | Dinesh D'Souza

Posted on 09/28/2001 9:41:51 AM PDT by JulieRNR21

Multiculturalism: Fact or Threat?

Dinesh D'Souza
Research Fellow, Hoover Institution
September 2001 Issue

The following is an abridged version of Mr. D'Souza's speech at a Hillsdale College seminar on May 22, 2001, in Boise, Idaho.

There has been a remarkable demographic shift that has changed the complexion of American society over the last 40 years. One reason for this change is the fact that most immigrants today come from Asia, Africa, and Latin America, rather than from Europe. A second contributing factor is birthrates: those of non-white minorities are substantially higher than that of whites. Taken together, these have led to what some have called the "browning of America." In this sense, we can speak of multiculturalism as a fact. But it is important to distinguish this fact from the ideology that goes by the same name. The ideology of multiculturalism demands the transformation of America's educational and political institutions in response to the new demographic reality. This ideology of multiculturalism, unlike the fact of multiculturalism, poses a threat to what is best and highest in America.

Multiculturalists insist that we change how we teach our children, in order to reshape how they think. Specifically, they must stop thinking of Western and American civilization as superior to other civilizations. The doctrine underlying this position is cultural relativism -- the denial that any culture can be said to be better or worse than any other. Cultural relativists take the principle of equality, which in the American political tradition is applied to individuals in terms of rights, and apply it instead to cultures in terms of their value.

One approach taken by multiculturalists to extinguish feelings of cultural superiority is to revise reading lists in our schools to minimize the influence of those they deride as "dead white males." A few years ago the novelist Saul Bellow set off a controversy when he said, "Find me the Tolstoy of the Zulus, or the Proust of the Papuans, and I would be happy to read him." In the storm of outrage that followed, Bellow was accused of racism. But the charge was unjustified. Bellow was not saying, after all, that the Zulus and Papuans are incapable of producing great novelists. He was saying that as far as he knew, they hadn't. But just by raising the possibility that some cultures have contributed more, if you will, to the dining table of civilization, he had violated one of the chief tenets of multiculturalism. A few years ago I attended a panel at the American Historical Association where the participants were almost coming to blows over the question of whether Columbus "discovered" America or "encountered" America. For a while I was puzzled, but then I realized that there was an important issue at stake. The idea of discovery involves a subject and an object, as in "Fleming discovered penicillin." It suggests that one person takes the initiative and finds someone or something else out. An encounter, on the other hand, is a chance event: "The hiker encountered a bear in the woods." To say that Columbus discovered America suggests that Columbus's civilization was engaged in a remarkable project of exploration and evangelization; by contrast, the term encounter implies that it was accidental that European ships came to America, rather than American Indian ships landing on the shores of Europe.

Whence Western Civilization?

In carrying forth their case, cultural relativists must account for the obvious fact that for the last half millennium, it has been one culture -- the culture of the West and now of America -- that has dominated the world. Prior to 1500, China was the preeminent civilization and Western civilization -- then called Christendom -- was a relative backwater. How did this backwater conquer the world? Multiculturalists explain it in terms of oppression. Western civilization, they say, became so powerful because it is so evil. The study of Western civilization, they insist, should focus on colonialism and slavery, the distinctive mechanisms of Western oppression. But colonialism and slavery are not distinctively Western at all. They are universal.

The British conquered India and ruled it for 300 years. But before the British there were the Persians, the Mongols, the Afghans, and Alexander the Great. Indeed, the British were the sixth or seventh colonial invader to occupy a large part of Indian territory. As for slavery, it has existed in all cultures. It was prevalent in ancient India, in China, in Greece and Rome, and in Africa. American Indians practiced slavery long before Columbus set foot here. In point of fact, what is uniquely Western is not slavery, but abolition. The movement to end slavery developed only in Western civilization. While people everywhere oppose slavery for themselves, never outside the West have slave-owners and potential slave-owners proclaimed principles condemning it, and expended blood and treasure ending it.

Western civilization is not distinguished by colonialism and slavery, but by its institutions of democracy, capitalism, and science. These institutions were developed because of a peculiar dynamism in Western civilization -- a dynamism driven by the combination of Western philosophy and theology. And it is these institutions, I believe, that comprise the source of Western strength and explain the West's long-standing dominance in the world. In keeping with this, and contrary to multiculturalist doctrine, America's unparalleled power in the present is sustained far less by military force than by the force of its ideas and institutions.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial
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Dinesh D'Souza, the Robert and Karen Rishwain Research Fellow at the Hoover Institution, served as a senior domestic policy analyst to the White House from 1987-88. He has written extensively for newspapers and magazines, including The Wall Street Journal, The Washington Post, The New York Times, Vanity Fair, Forbes, and Harper's, and is the author of four books: Illiberal Education: The Politics of Race and Sex on Campus; The End of Racism; Ronald Reagan: How an Ordinary Man Became an Extraordinary Leader; and, most recently, The Virtue of Prosperity: Finding Values in an Age of Techno-Affluence. Mr. D'Souza graduated Phi Beta Kappa from Dartmouth College in 1983.
1 posted on 09/28/2001 9:41:51 AM PDT by JulieRNR21
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To: JulieRNR21
Continuation of the the article:

I should point out in passing that there is room in American education for an authentic multiculturalism. Reading lists can be anchored in Western thought and culture, but include the great books produced by non-Western cultures as well. This, however, is not what the multiculturalists want. For one thing, the great books of non-Western cultures reflect beliefs and prejudices that are anathema to multiculturalist ideology. To cite just two examples, the Koran embodies a strong doctrine of male superiority and The Tale of Genji, a Japanese classic, celebrates social hierarchy. So it is misleading for multiculturalists to say they support the expansion of curricula to include the great works of non-Western cultures. What they really support is tailoring education to promote the ideas and objectives of the political left.

Is America Racist?

A couple of years ago I debated Jesse Jackson at Stanford University on the topic, "Is America a Racist Society?" I conceded, of course, that racism exists, but I challenged Jackson to show me racism today that is strong enough to prevent him or me or his children or my daughter from achieving our basic aspirations -- from going to college, starting a business, exercising the basic rights of citizens, etc. Jackson insisted that racism in America is as strong as ever, and that any appearances to the contrary are due to the fact that racism has gone underground. From one perspective, I believe, this disagreement reflects the divergence of an immigrant's view of America and the view of a leader of an indigenous minority. Immigrants compare America to their home countries, and by that standard America is a place of extraordinary freedom and opportunity. Jesse Jackson, on the other hand, is not comparing America to any other actual country. His standard is utopian, and not surprisingly, by this standard, America falls short.

The division represented by these divergent viewpoints among non-whites is camouflaged by the doctrine of multiculturalism. This doctrine assumes the existence of a grand alliance -- a "rainbow coalition," if you will -- of non-white Americans who see themselves as oppressed and disadvantaged by the white majority. But this is a false model, because as I say, non-white immigrants form a huge and growing subset of non-white Americans, and they have a much different and more positive view of what America means and what it has to offer.

Recently David Horowitz created a stir by attempting to place ads in college newspapers denouncing the idea of reparations for slavery -- that is, the disbursement of cash payments to blacks today as a way of repairing the injustice of historical slavery. This bizarre idea of reparations reminds me of a story related to the heavyweight fight in the mid-1970s between Muhammad Ali and George Foreman. Held in the African nation of Zaire, this famous fight was billed -- quite insensitively by contemporary standards -- as the "Rumble in the Jungle." In any case, after the fight was over and the victorious Ali returned to America, he was asked by a reporter what he thought of Africa. He replied, "Thank God my granddaddy got on that boat."

There is a profound notion, I think, concealed in this clever quip. It is something that I learned growing up in India, talking to my grandfather. My grandfather was a sophisticated man, but in some ways a very embittered man. He never wanted me to go to America, because he recalled the injuries and humiliations that had piled up during British rule, and he held these against the white man. From this I realized something quite startling. I realized that although colonialism had been bad for the people who had lived under it, such as my grandfather, it had been good for me. As a consequence of colonialism, I was exposed to the ideas and traditions that inform the Western understanding of freedom. I learned about separation of powers, democracy, human dignity, and equal rights. I learned the English language. Much of what I am and believe today has evolved out of the benefits I received from the colonialism that injured my grandfather.

Muhammad Ali, whether he intended it or not, was making a similar point about slavery. Slavery, even more than colonialism, was wrong and harmful to the people who lived under it. But paradoxically, and against the wishes of the slave owners, it also was the transmission belt that brought Africans into the orbit of Western freedom. Obviously the slaves were worse off as a result of slavery. But are the descendants of slaves worse off? Is Jesse Jackson worse off? Would Jackson be better off, by any measure, living in Uganda? We today are not able to repair the harm done to those who suffered under slavery, but it would be absurd to make a show of doing so by paying money to those who have, in a sense, benefited the most from their ancestors' suffering.

Historical Perspective: DuBois and Washington

To understand what is at stake in the multiculturalism debate, it helps to get a sense of historical perspective. There was a famous debate in the early part of the 20th century between sociologist W.E.B. DuBois, the first African-American to get a Ph.D. from Harvard, and Booker T. Washington, who had been born a slave and went on to found the Tuskegee Institute. According to DuBois, blacks in America faced one problem: racism. In response to this problem he prescribed protest and agitation. Washington countered that there were two problems. Racism was one. But just as important was a cultural disadvantage that resulted from high crime rates, low rates of business formation, and fragile family structures. DuBois argued that these problems were traceable to slavery. Washington responded that although that might be true, blacks themselves were re-sponsible for working such problems out. It was up to them to develop the habits and skills to take advantage of freedom, even while they were agitating for equal rights.

2 posted on 09/28/2001 9:43:49 AM PDT by JulieRNR21
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To: JulieRNR21
Completion of the article:

For the better part of the last century, the civil rights movement -- led by the NAACP, which DuBois co-founded -- implemented the DuBoisian strategy. This strategy ultimately succeeded in the mid-1960s, when American law was brought into accordance with America's principles and with the 14th and 15th amendments to the Constitution. At that point, having achieved legal equality for minorities, one would have expected a shift in the civil rights movement from the strategy of protest and agitation toward Booker T. Washington's strategy of encouraging and nurturing self-improvement. Unfortunately, that shift never occurred. The fact that multiculturalism continues to this day to inform the agenda of the civil rights movement is quite tragic. It is especially tragic for African-Americans and other minorities who fall prey to the enervating bitterness that feeds ideas like reparations, even while recent non-white immigrants like Haitians and West Indians are taking advantage of educational and entrepreneurial opportunities to climb the American ladder of success. Nor does this require surrendering one's cultural heritage. Speaking for myself, I can wear Gandhi hats and eat curry, even while adopting the assimilation strategy pioneered by American immigrants since the nation's earliest days.

The black anti-colonialist Frantz Fanon once wrote -- and in a sense this is a perfect articulation of the principle behind both affirmative action and the idea of reparations -- that ultimately a victim wants nothing more than to exchange places with his oppressor. An eloquent writer, Fanon defended this view as a matter of simple justice: "What you did to us, we will do to you." This is the opposite of the view of Lincoln who said, "As I would not be a slave, so I would not be a master. This expresses my idea of democracy." Like America's Founders in the Declaration of Independence, and unlike Fanon and his multiculturalist progeny, Lincoln rejected in principle the master-slave relationship.

It is possible to devise a kind of multiculturalism that is essentially pro-American, and based on the principles of Madison, Jefferson, and Lincoln. Unfortunately, multiculturalism as currently practiced is a betrayal of these principles, and an enemy of black and minority advancement.

3 posted on 09/28/2001 9:45:12 AM PDT by JulieRNR21
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To: JohnHuang2, deport, Luis Gonzalez, ST.LOUIE1, Miss Marple, coteblanche, LadyX
Ping......D'Sousa presents some profound ideas.
4 posted on 09/28/2001 9:49:33 AM PDT by JulieRNR21
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To: Joe Brower, StarFan, LadyInBlue, patriciaruth, Bryan, Doc on the Bay, tame
You can read more stimulating articles at the website in the source link. And you can subscribe free to IMPRIMIS.
5 posted on 09/28/2001 9:52:24 AM PDT by JulieRNR21
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To: JulieRNR21
It is possible to devise a kind of multiculturalism that is essentially pro-American, and based on the principles of Madison, Jefferson, and Lincoln. Unfortunately, multiculturalism as currently practiced is a betrayal of these principles, and an enemy of black and minority advancement.

That's a roj! I've been saying this for at least the last ten years.

... ...

6 posted on 09/28/2001 10:04:30 AM PDT by Joe Brower
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To: JulieRNR21
Good read.
7 posted on 09/28/2001 10:08:19 AM PDT by Texas_Jarhead
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To: Joe Brower
Our current campaign is to get this article re-printed in our local liberal rag......wouldn't that be grand?
8 posted on 09/28/2001 10:14:26 AM PDT by JulieRNR21
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To: Texas_Jarhead
Be sure to visit the website...lots more good stuff!
9 posted on 09/28/2001 10:15:36 AM PDT by JulieRNR21
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To: summer, Billie, MinuteGal, ThirstyMan, SamAdams76, robby, bettyboop
This is definitely worth your time...the author is absolutely brilliant!
10 posted on 09/28/2001 10:17:22 AM PDT by JulieRNR21
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To: JulieRNR21
D'Sousa presents some profound ideas.

For sure!

...Lincoln who said, "As I would not be a slave, so I would not be a master".

Jessie should read more Lincoln. : )

Hey....#6 stole your Bump!. LOL

11 posted on 09/28/2001 10:23:27 AM PDT by ST.LOUIE1
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To: ST.LOUIE1
Joe didn't 'steal' it...just borrowed it! LOL

Your comments about Jesse are right on!

12 posted on 09/28/2001 10:29:06 AM PDT by JulieRNR21
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To: cactusSharp, Alberta's Child
Worth your time....please tell me what you think!
13 posted on 09/28/2001 10:52:00 AM PDT by JulieRNR21
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To: JulieRNR21
Joe didn't 'steal' it...just borrowed it! LOL

: )

Sorry, Joe.

14 posted on 09/28/2001 11:06:48 AM PDT by ST.LOUIE1
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To: JulieRNR21
Best thing I've read here in awhile.
15 posted on 09/28/2001 11:34:59 AM PDT by subterfuge
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To: JulieRNR21
"There is a class of colored people who make a business of keeping the troubles, the wrongs, and the hardships of the Negro race before the public. Some of these people do not want the Negro to lose his grievances, because they do not want to lose their jobs. There is a certain class of race-problem solvers who don't want the patient to get well." -
Booker T. Washington, black intellectual, in 1911.

It is possible to devise a kind of multiculturalism that is essentially pro-American, and based on the principles of Madison, Jefferson, and Lincoln. Unfortunately, multiculturalism as currently practiced is a betrayal of these principles, and an enemy of black and minority advancement.

16 posted on 09/28/2001 11:58:40 AM PDT by Luis Gonzalez
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To: JulieRNR21
Thanks for the *ping* Julie, great read.
17 posted on 09/28/2001 12:03:18 PM PDT by Luis Gonzalez
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To: Luis Gonzalez
For anyone who is interested, check out:

The End of Racism: Principles for a Multi-Racial Society
Illiberal Education
and also The Virtue of Prosperity, all by D'Souza, all awesome reads...JFK

18 posted on 09/28/2001 12:15:26 PM PDT by BADROTOFINGER
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To: JulieRNR21
I agree with D'Souza 100%, but he does not go far enough in explaining why Western civilization become the dominant culture since 1500. It was actually a combination of two things:

Judeo-Christian tradition. Every other culture in the history of the world was based on a cyclical, circular world view that effectively limited the aspirations of even the most intelligent people. Every culture operated on the premise that life was nothing more than a series of cyclical events, from the changing of seasons to the rising and setting of the sun, from the cycle of birth and death to the pounding of the ocean waves on the sands. Because this was the basic premise of life, there was never expectation that anything would change from one "cycle" to the next. Consequently, the Chinese scholar who walked along the beach and looked out across the Pacific Ocean might have thought of many things, but the notion of building a ship and sailing across the water to see what was on the other side was so outlandish that he wouldn't even consider it.

The Judeo-Christian tradition brought a remarkable, monumental change that is usually overlooked in these discussions. For the first time in the history of the world, a culture was based on the premise that time had a beginning and would also have an end. This change, from a "circular" to a "linear" world view, pervaded every aspect of life in the western world even for people who were not particularly religious. The farmer who planted 20 rows of corn one year tried to plant 25 the next, the officials in a city that was affected by a plague every few decades began to wonder what could be done to prevent the next outbreak, and young men in Europe with dreamy looks in their eyes began to gaze across the ocean and wonder what was on the other side.

The invasion of Europe by the Moors. Despite the "superiority" of the Judeo-Christian culture, the West was severely limited by a cumbersome Roman numbering system that worked well for identifying years and counting things, but could not be used for anything more complex than simple arithmetic functions. When the Arabs were eventually pushed out of Europe, they left behind a marvelous numbering system that contained elements that had never been seen before in the West, including the functions of multiplication and division and the concept of a number "0." These elements were critical for scientific advances because they allowed scientists to develop mathematical formulas to describe the objects of their research instead of relying completely on empirical observations.

The modern world as we know it was incapable of developing until these two elements were in place (the "linear" world view and the Arabic numbering system).

19 posted on 09/28/2001 12:29:02 PM PDT by Alberta's Child
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To: JulieRNR21
In point of fact, what is uniquely Western is not slavery, but abolition. The movement to end slavery developed only in Western civilization.

A beautiful and concise article.

Consider the traitor, Jesse Jackson's popular chant, "Hey hey, ho ho, Western Cultures's gotta' go!"

Of course, Jackson and all the other barbarians inside the gates are among the most spiteful, self absorbed whiners, the world has ever known. Denial for the sake of a new quick fix of limelight or power, is the currency they trade in. And if they succeed in destroying Western Civilization, I have no doubt that he and all of his followers will be right back in there among the slaves of history, if our opponents should win this war. And given the circumstances, the possibility that they MIGHT succeed is very real.

Ready to concede yet, Jesse, and all the others on the radicalized PC left who support terrorism by unwitting complicity? Or are you really bound and determined to spitefully take all the amazing advantages you have from Western Civilization right back to the dirt, forcing yourselves, along with all of us, back into the dark ages?


20 posted on 09/28/2001 12:38:26 PM PDT by Coyote
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To: JulieRNR21
Oh, thank you for the flag, Julie. Bookmarking to read later tonight.
21 posted on 09/28/2001 2:17:49 PM PDT by Billie
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To: Alberta's Child, JulieRNR21
Interesting post, Alberta. Is it original with you?

Thanks for the ping, Julie.

22 posted on 09/28/2001 2:46:20 PM PDT by patriciaruth
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To: JulieRNR21
Multiculturalism: Fact or Threat?

Threat.

23 posted on 09/28/2001 2:48:21 PM PDT by Jay W
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To: patriciaruth
It's my original writing, though I can't remember where I got all that information. My problem is that I remember things for a long time, but I never remember where I remember them from.

If that makes any sense. LOL!

24 posted on 09/28/2001 3:03:00 PM PDT by Alberta's Child
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To: JulieRNR21, dutchy, black agnes, firebrand, MiaT, foreshadowed at waco, nutmeg, ELS, Exit 148
I cannot thank you enough for pinging me on this insightful and thoroughly enjoyable speech by D'Souza. I began to highlight sentences I wanted to comment on but gave up as there were far too many I was in full agreement with. BTW, I took advantage of the free subscription and plan to later read the speech given by Jim Rogan. Thanks again. Pinging others to enjoy.
25 posted on 09/28/2001 4:14:14 PM PDT by StarFan
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To: JulieRNR21
Great post, Julie, and a Sunshine State BUMP-a-roonie!!

Norb

26 posted on 09/28/2001 4:49:52 PM PDT by Norb2569
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To: StarFan
Thanks for the flag. Dinesh D'Souza is a treasure.
27 posted on 09/28/2001 6:29:07 PM PDT by ELS
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To: JulieRNR21
In a static World, Mr Fanon's pronouncements are understandable--if arrogant & overtly Racist; in our ever-changing, roiling, Maelstrom of a world, Mr Fanon's ideas are merely prehistoric & arrogant.

The Current inhabitants of America owe Mr Fanon's "Peoples' of an Historic aberration" NOTHING!

History has Long Since left these "Warriors" behind--"Get Over IT!!"

Doc

28 posted on 09/28/2001 7:02:12 PM PDT by Doc On The Bay
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To: Norb2569
Thanks for the Sunshine BUMP
29 posted on 09/28/2001 8:01:32 PM PDT by JulieRNR21
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To: subterfuge
Check out the website....more goodies there.
30 posted on 09/28/2001 8:02:19 PM PDT by JulieRNR21
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To: Luis Gonzalez
Great quote from BT Washington.....thanks.
31 posted on 09/28/2001 8:03:09 PM PDT by JulieRNR21
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To: Alberta's Child
Thanks for your insightful response. Did you subscribe to IMPRIMIS?
32 posted on 09/28/2001 8:04:38 PM PDT by JulieRNR21
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To: Coyote
In point of fact, what is uniquely Western is not slavery, but abolition. The movement to end slavery developed only in Western civilization.

We don't hear anyone else mentioning this, do we? Especially not Jesse.

33 posted on 09/28/2001 8:08:07 PM PDT by JulieRNR21
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To: StarFan
Thanks for pinging others......my husband has long been a fan of IMPRIMIS and he encouraged me to post this article based on a speech by the brilliant Mr. D'Sousa.

We are encouraging our local paper to print it. Hillsdale has already given permission.

34 posted on 09/28/2001 8:11:05 PM PDT by JulieRNR21
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To: JulieRNR21
We don't hear anyone else mentioning this, do we? Especially not Jesse.

They guy's getting rich piggy backing off the whiner/victim class he and his have so successfully nurtured. Why should the likes of he and Sharpton point out the truth to their constituency and endanger their self-centered monopoly on their 'suffering'?


35 posted on 09/28/2001 8:25:43 PM PDT by Coyote
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To: StarFan
Thanks, StarFan. I can just picture Dinesh saying "Rumble in the Jungle" with his patented brand of amusement.
36 posted on 09/29/2001 11:08:43 AM PDT by firebrand
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To: JulieRNR21
No, I don't. What is IMPRIMIS?
37 posted on 09/29/2001 5:30:24 PM PDT by Alberta's Child
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To: Alberta's Child
IMPRIMIS is the monthly publication of Hillsdale College. They have an excellent article each month. Some past writers are Justice Clarence Thomas, Margaret Thacher, Michael Medved.

If you go to the link in the Source at the top of this thread; you can subscribe FREE to IMPRIMIS.

38 posted on 09/29/2001 5:44:04 PM PDT by JulieRNR21
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To: Alberta's Child
BTTT
39 posted on 09/30/2001 5:43:20 PM PDT by JulieRNR21
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To: JulieRNR21
Thanks for the info. I'll check it out.
40 posted on 09/30/2001 9:18:21 PM PDT by Alberta's Child
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