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We Need To Talk, America!
Self ^ | 9/28/2001 | MHGinTN

Posted on 09/28/2001 8:44:58 PM PDT by MHGinTN

We need to talk, America!

Anything can happen when human beings allow ideology to trump their humanity, when they elevate an idea above the lives of individuals. Anything can happen, and too often does. It becomes possible to bomb a black church and kill the four little girls inside. It becomes possible to execute a doctor who performs abortions, shoot him through the window of his own home while his children are nearby. Anna Quindlen, Newsweek, September24, 2001

Please, if you just read the above quote, re-read it. There’s a subtle message within that quote that we Americans need to discuss, for future clarity. The saw, ‘for the children’ has been co-opted for subtle inference by the liberal demagogues for too long; it’s time to clear up a few things.

Anna Quindlen is a paid journalist, an editorial writer. I read her column at the end of Newsweek, usually by default when seeking a George Will ending to the detritus found in the too liberal rag. [My wife has a subscription to the magazine and it ends up in the bathroom for quiet reading, though I wouldn’t spend the money to purchase it for myself.]

Do we need someone to tell us it’s an atrocity to bomb a church and kill four innocent little girls? No. Do we need someone to tell us it’s wrong to gun down a doctor in his home, in close proximity to his children? No, most Americans know it’s wrong, though sadly, some would condone it. If it were possible for me to prevent such crimes at the last minute, I would do it, instinctively. But when an abortion doctor is gunned down, I don’t mourn for the person even though I know the act was wrong. Murder is wrong, it violates our common law and order, and that cannot be tolerated else we damage the foundational structure of our Republic.

If our society is to be untwisted from the gordian knot of liberalism, from dichotomous liberal think, condemnation of wrong must be applied equally, or else the paradigm of our common good becomes selective and the thing that Anna points out is fostered in the confusion of emotional reaction. Ms Quindlen cautions, “Anything can happen when human beings allow ideology to trump their humanity, when they elevate an idea above the lives of individuals ... Anything can happen, and too often does.” She then cites the travesty of murdering an abortion doctor.

What does an abortion doctor do? ... Abortion kills individuals, when ‘they’ elevate an idea above the lives of individuals. ‘A woman’s right to choose abortion’ is just such an idea incorrectly elevated. Unborn individuals, if allowed to continue their normal life in the womb, may grow up to become firefighters, policemen, and rescue workers. In fact, I bet that, statistically, ten times as many as were lost in police persons and firefighters at the WTC and Pentagon atrocities would have grown up to become just such valued members of our nation had they not been selectively aborted, really for no medical reason.

Do the math with me: we abort on average 1.2 million individual lives each year; there were over three hundred policemen and firefighters killed in the atrocity; ten times that many is more than 3,000; 3,000 is ~ .0025% of 1.2 million. At least .0025% of individuals in American society become police and firefighters, don’t they?

When a journalist cites the murder of an abortion doctor, yet fails to recognize the individual humanity such a serial killer is aborting, that journalist is spinning, liberally ... and America, we have got to stop letting those spinners delude our reasoning. Murdering an abortion doctor is wrong. Serially aborting 1.2 million individual lives is monstrously wrong, also, and it’s a sickness of our society that we allow liberal rhetoric to obfuscate the truth of that. It’s time to stop it.

Things got so insane in the 2000 elections that a major political party chose to elevate ‘a woman’s right to choose’ as their slogan for election! Anything can happen when an idea is elevated over the lives of individuals ... anything, even the willful killing of 1.2 million individual lives, each year, in the name of a woman’s ‘rite’ to choose.

America, we need to talk.


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Okay, it's time to talk about this, dammit!
1 posted on 09/28/2001 8:44:58 PM PDT by MHGinTN (MHGinTN@mindspring.com)
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To: BibChr, logos, Bryan, MHGinTN, Reformed Beckite, Caleb1411
(PING))))))
2 posted on 09/28/2001 8:57:40 PM PDT by MHGinTN
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To: Luis Gonzalez, William Wallace, Askel5, betty boop, Victoria Delsoul, Mercuria, AnnaZ
(PING))))))
3 posted on 09/28/2001 8:58:45 PM PDT by MHGinTN
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To: carenot, MississippiMan, Nita Nupress, Vets_Husband_&_Wife, supercat
(PING))))))
4 posted on 09/28/2001 9:00:38 PM PDT by MHGinTN
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To: MHGinTN
Read and weap people.This is what were up against!

Clinic Counselors Speak Out

"I have never yet counseled anybody to have the baby. I'm also doing women's counseling on campus at Albany State, and there I am expected to present alternatives, whereas at the abortion clinic you aren't really expected to." -- abortion counselor Rachel Weeping and Other Essays About Abortion. James Tunstead Burtchaell, editor. New York: Universal Press, 1982 pg. 42-43.

"Counselors are just to give the appearance of help. . . [They] think of themselves as company for the women." -- abortion clinic counselor.

"I was trained by a professional marketing director in how to sell abortions over the telephone. He took every one of our receptionists, nurses, and anyone else who would deal with people over the phone through an extensive training period. The object was, when the girl called, to hook the sale so that she wouldn't get an abortion somewhere else, or adopt out her baby, or change her mind. We were doing it for the money." -- Nina Whitten, chief secretary at a Dallas abortion clinic under Dr. Curtis Boyd.

"Every woman has these same two questions: First, 'Is it a baby?' 'No,' the counselor assures her. 'It is a product of conception (or a blood clot, or a piece of tissue)' Even though these counselors see six week babies daily, with arms, legs and eyes that are closed like newborn puppies, they lie to the women. How many women would have an abortion, if they told them the truth?" -- Carol Everett, former owner of two clinics and director of four "A Walk Through an Abortion Clinic" by Carol Everett ALL About Issues magazine Aug-Sept 1991, p 117. "We tried to avoid the women seeing them [the fetuses]. They always wanted to know the sex, but we lied and said it was too early to tell. It's better for the women to think of the fetus as an 'it.' -- Abortion clinic worker Norma Eidelman, quoted in Rachel Weeping, p 34.

"The counselor at our clinic would cry with the girls at the drop of a hat. She would find their weakness and work on it. The women were never given any alternatives. They were told how much trouble it is to have a baby." -- former abortion worker Debra Harry, quoted in the film "Meet the Abortion Providers" 1989.

"When discussing the sonogram, you are supposed to tell the client that it is a measurement as far as the pregnancy is concerned, but not a measure of the fetal head or anything like that." -- Rosemary Petruso, on her training to be an abortion counselor. Her story appeared in the St. Louis Review and was also quoted in "Women Exploited: The Other Victims of Abortion" Paula Ervin, editor. Huntington: Our Sunday Visitor, 1985.

"Sometimes we lied. A girl might ask what her baby was like at a certain point in the pregnancy: Was it a baby yet? Even as early as 12 weeks a baby is totally formed, he has fingerprints, turns his head, fans his toes, feels pain. But we would say 'It's not a baby yet. It's just tissue, like a clot." -- Kathy Sparks told in "The Conversion of Kathy Sparks" by Gloria Williamson, Christian Herald Jan 1986, p 28.

"It is when I am holding a plastic uterus in one hand, a suction tube in the other, moving them together in imitation of the scrubbing to come, that woman ask the most secret question. I am speaking in a matter-of-fact voice about 'the tissue' and 'the contents' when the woman suddenly catches my eye and says 'How big is the baby now?' These words suggest a quiet need for definition of the boundaries being drawn. It isn't so odd, after all, that she feels relief when I describe the growing bud's bulbous shape, its miniature nature. Again, I gauge, and sometimes lie a little, weaseling around its infantile features until its clinging power slackens." --abortion worker Sallie Tisdale "We Do Abortions Here" Oct 1987 Harpers Magazine p 68.

http://www.w-cpc.org/abortion/clinic.html

5 posted on 09/28/2001 9:08:38 PM PDT by mdittmar
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To: mdittmar
I do so appreciate your posting that link. I had to reload my puter a few months back and lost all the abortion links that the one you've cited. Thanks so much! I got many back through posts of Manny Festo and others, but that one was particularly poignant and I've missed having the ammo.
6 posted on 09/28/2001 9:20:17 PM PDT by MHGinTN
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To: doug from upland, b4its2late, Ms. AntiFeminazi, Mudboy Slim, RJayneJ, JMJ333, summer

7 posted on 09/28/2001 9:23:55 PM PDT by MHGinTN
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To: patent, harpseal, papagall
Ping-a-ling-a-ling
8 posted on 09/28/2001 9:32:45 PM PDT by MHGinTN
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To: Southflanknorthpawsis, Reagan Man, sinkspur
Ping-a-ling-a-ling

9 posted on 09/28/2001 9:55:55 PM PDT by MHGinTN
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To: JohnHuang2, AlamoGirl
Ping-a-ling
10 posted on 09/28/2001 10:07:05 PM PDT by MHGinTN
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To: MHGinTN
Bump, nice article.
11 posted on 09/28/2001 10:11:05 PM PDT by patent
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To: MHGinTN
Anything can happen when human beings allow ideology to trump their humanity, when they elevate an idea above the lives of individuals. Anything can happen, and too often does.

I got this far and jumped down to see the author. I anticipated what might follow and I was right. You are correct, Marvin. We need to make our voices heard everywhere possible. I think your mathematical example makes a striking point and such things often plant a seed.

But I have to honestly admit that I don't know how else to fight the liberal rhetoric other than to always speak up (I do), donate time and money to those who fight for LIFE, vote, pray and educate whenever the opportunity arises. What do you suggest?

12 posted on 09/28/2001 10:15:49 PM PDT by Southflanknorthpawsis
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To: MHGinTN
We know that words are important and powerful, as do the leftists - but the leftists buy the "the end justifies the means" fallacy. The aren't limted by scruples in the scribble wars - remember the "Super Bowl Sunday tops the year in domestic violence" thing they made up? (I still prefer being honest). FReegards
13 posted on 09/28/2001 10:25:48 PM PDT by 185JHP
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To: Southflanknorthpawsis
What would I suggest? ... Hah! Just what you cited, dear Lady, and I also believe we need thousands standing on streets and parking lots around abortuaries, simply citing the TRUTH, that an abortion ends the precious life of an individual human being, being human at the stage it has reached in its life continuum begun at conception.
14 posted on 09/28/2001 10:35:18 PM PDT by MHGinTN
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin, Howlin, Travis McGee
Ker-ping!
15 posted on 09/28/2001 10:38:39 PM PDT by MHGinTN
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To: proud2bRC, TaRaRaBoomDeAyGoreLostToday!
Ping-Pong, Ping-Pong
16 posted on 09/28/2001 10:43:28 PM PDT by MHGinTN
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To: MHGinTN
we need thousands standing on streets and parking lots around abortuaries, simply citing the TRUTH, that an abortion ends the precious life of an individual human being, being human at the stage it has reached in its life continuum begun at conception.

Sounds good to me !!! I think we also need to regularly write to our local papers and always counter the "letters to the editor" that excuse or advocate abortion.

A few years ago when my pro-life girls were teens, I had a little game plan. It may have not reached great numbers but I did my best. Once in awhile they would get into abortion discussions with their misguided friends. They would come to me, friend in tow, and I would begin a very reasoned approach to show them the error in their belief. Then we would pop "Eclipse of Reason" into the VCR for a real eye opener. I knew I risked angering some parents but I never got any backlash. I believe that a few girls left our house with changed minds.

17 posted on 09/28/2001 10:48:56 PM PDT by Southflanknorthpawsis
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To: MHGinTN
Thanks for the heads up! };^D)
18 posted on 09/28/2001 10:59:32 PM PDT by RJayneJ
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To: Southflanknorthpawsis
You saved lives, Lady, and took none in the doing. Bless ya!
19 posted on 09/28/2001 11:15:28 PM PDT by MHGinTN
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To: kattracks, Jim Robinson, John Robinson, Iron Jack, Valerie USA
Kerplunk, Ka-ching
20 posted on 09/28/2001 11:18:47 PM PDT by MHGinTN
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To: MHGinTN
The Genocide Awareness Project has been so effective it's caused college campuses to do just about anything to ban them, including painting over classroom windows to prevent students from seeing the protests. What they do is carry around huge blown up pictures of abortions and pictures of the holocaust. It causes screams, gasps and in some cases vomitting. No words are necessary. And no amount of shouting down by libs can erase the images.

I think pictures will make our case. Sadly buying billboard space and TV time is just not working. Networks will show holocaust victims, but will not show aborted babies.

Abortion TV

Genocide awareness project

21 posted on 09/28/2001 11:44:23 PM PDT by Rightwing Conspiratr1
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To: MHGinTN
Saturday-morning bump, Marvin. As always, you've made trenchant points.
22 posted on 09/29/2001 5:49:04 AM PDT by Caleb1411
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To: MHGinTN
Anything can happen, and too often does...It becomes possible to execute a doctor who performs abortions, shoot him through the window of his own home while his children are nearby.

In the face of the terroristic mass murder of thousands, this woman focuses on abortion violence???

One can count on one hand the number of well known Muslim clerics who have repudiated violence in the name of Allah. It is part of their Koran. They cannot repudiate it, for to do so is to repudiate their Koran.

Every time there is violence by a deranged individual against an abortion provider (which is not nearly as common as violence by one abortion provider or organized crime against another abortion provider) all mainstream pro-life groups condemn such violence.

This is a subtle attempt to establish a moral equivalency between pro-life activists and the KKK, not to mention Islamic fundamentalists by inference due to the wounds so fresh in our collective psych.

Yet we now have a radically pro-abortion Republican in charge of "Homeland Security."

This post is charged with curtailing terrorism, domestic and foreign.

By consistently branding Christian pro-life activists as among those who elevate an idea above the lives of individuals this author and many others willfully elevate Christianity along with Islam as a group worthy of investigation and prosecution for terrorism, both domestic and foreign.

Our "conservative, Christian" President Bush has named a pro-abort politician to the post who will be responsible for such investigation and prosecution, with nary a peep from conservative Pro-life Christians.

Anna Quinlin and her types seemingly have won an ideoligical battle without a shot fired, by a Christian community cowed by the threat of war, and the demand that we place Patriotism over bedrock pro-life Christian principles.

23 posted on 09/29/2001 6:40:56 AM PDT by Dr. Brian Kopp
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To: MHGinTN
By the way, excellent post Marvin. (Sorry I let my own editorial comments come before acknowledging your fine words here.)
24 posted on 09/29/2001 6:52:31 AM PDT by Dr. Brian Kopp
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To: MHGinTN
BUMP!!

Excellent Marvin!

25 posted on 09/29/2001 7:39:12 AM PDT by Luis Gonzalez
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To: MHGinTN
Things got so insane in the 2000 elections that a major political party chose to elevate ‘a woman’s right to choose’ as their slogan for election! Anything can happen when an idea is elevated over the lives of individuals ... anything, even the willful killing of 1.2 million individual lives, each year, in the name of a woman’s ‘rite’ to choose.

Aha, bingo! Well-aimed shot.

Dan

26 posted on 09/29/2001 9:10:54 AM PDT by BibChr
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To: MHGinTN
Bump and a prayer that more women will choose adoption over abortion.....
27 posted on 09/29/2001 10:08:05 AM PDT by b4its2late
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To: b4its2late
Hear, hear! When a woman chooses to bring forth the child, she has chosen to be an affrimer of life, a mother. When she chooses to abort she has chosen to attack the God-given blessing of affirming life. It's not nice to XXXX on God's grace.
28 posted on 09/29/2001 12:44:22 PM PDT by MHGinTN
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To: MHGinTN
Outstanding post, Marvin. Thanks so much.
29 posted on 09/29/2001 2:25:43 PM PDT by Victoria Delsoul
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To: MHGinTN
bump
30 posted on 09/29/2001 7:09:46 PM PDT by Dr. Brian Kopp
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To: ValerieUSA
PING))))))
31 posted on 09/30/2001 11:06:28 AM PDT by MHGinTN
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To: MHGinTN
Marvin, here's the lead-off in my Dubob 9 post:

Over 42,000,000 served ( dead, unfortunately )- why do we kill our babies so much?

Media Ignores Poll Showing Pro-Life Majorities

The power of the sonogram

Induced Abortion: The Number One Cause of Death In The United States

The Best Article Ever Written About Abortion-The sisterhood, 27 years later

I'm kind of pushed for time- Mrs. B, who's in the sixth week of recovering from a plate being put in her neck, is agitating to "go somewhere" and will have scoot soon... if you'll go here:

DUBOB 9-- even *more* tales from the Dark Underbelly of the Beast.....

and backtrack, there are quite a few abortion-related links... I *think* it's been "indexed," too, if you have lost links... ??? abortion_list ???

32 posted on 09/30/2001 12:00:16 PM PDT by backhoe
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To: backhoe
Much grass, backhoe. I need to rebuild my files.
33 posted on 09/30/2001 12:04:37 PM PDT by MHGinTN
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To: MHGinTN
Thanks MHGinTN
This Quinlan creature is devoid of rational thought. "A doctor who provides abortions" - as if abortions were an acquisition, like a cast or brace or medicine.
An abortion is not a provision. It really isn't a noun, it's an action. You can abort the life of a developing baby, but you aren't "providing" anything - you are taking.
34 posted on 09/30/2001 12:09:38 PM PDT by ValerieUSA
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To: MHGinTN
Great stuff, sir. Thanks.

Life and Liberty

35 posted on 09/30/2001 12:13:24 PM PDT by EternalVigilance
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To: ValerieUSA
Val, you see that clearly, but how in the name of preserving this nation's fundamentals are we going to get through to the sheeple who cannot grasp the subtle lies inherent in her writings?
36 posted on 09/30/2001 12:18:12 PM PDT by MHGinTN
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To: MHGinTN (why haven't networks shown an abortion on TV?)
"What would I suggest? ... Hah! Just what you cited, dear Lady, and I also believe we need thousands standing on streets and parking lots around abortuaries, simply citing the TRUTH, that an abortion ends the precious life of an individual human being, being human at the stage it has reached in its life continuum begun at conception. "

Great post. Just would add what Fr Pavone said the best way to end abortions is to show one on TV. A picture will replace 1,000,000+ denials. A fetus is just a small baby.

37 posted on 09/30/2001 12:23:44 PM PDT by ex-snook
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To: MHGinTN
Bump, good article.
38 posted on 09/30/2001 12:28:11 PM PDT by FITZ
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To: ex-snook
(Why haven't networks shown an abortion on TV?) Because the agenda supporting lieberal media condones the removal of 'individual human being' status promoted by the supporters and praisers of abortion ... what political party thought so much of slaughtering the unborn innocent that they made the issue a slogan in their election campaigns? Nuff said, I think, no matter how much posturing the democrats do from now on! The visual media and entertainment industry support and affirm abortion on demand, as if it's a good thing, a rite for modern women. Ptooie on them!
39 posted on 09/30/2001 12:28:52 PM PDT by MHGinTN
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To: MHGinTN
BTT
40 posted on 10/01/2001 6:42:58 AM PDT by harpseal
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To: MHGinTN
Hi MHGinTN! Anna Quindlen just shows how out of sympathy she is with American (and Western) philosophical ideas concerning just government. She's much more on the Red Chinese model, which holds: All civil rights (human rights) are grants of the State. There is no human right unless it is recognized by the State; the State can "create" a human right at will. Plus the State is the Ultimate authority -- it answers to nothing "higher" than itself.

In America (and other Western societies), human rights are held to be endowments from God, not creations of the State. And governments, to be considered legitimate, must honor and defend those rights; i.e., they function under God's Law. States are answerable, not only to the people, but also to Him for what they do.

Yet here in Roe v. Wade we have a branch of government -- the supreme judiciary -- doing what it has absolutely no authority or competence whatever to do: "Creating" a right for some people -- mothers -- that other people do not have: the "right" to deprive an unborn child of its right to life. If "other people" were to do that, it would be called murder with malice aforethought -- premeditated murder. The so-called "right" to abortion is literally a license to kill. This is a betrayal of everything America stands for, and makes a mockery of our rule of law.

But some very sick people out there not only condone this sort of thing, they positively promote it, campaign for it relentlessly -- Anna Quindlen famously among them. Did you hear that, right after the September 11th attacks, Planned Parenthood was offering "free" abortions? How sick is that?

It breaks your heart to see such selfish heartlessness and failure of concern for another human being simply because he's (she's) defenseless. God help these people.

Thanks Marvin, for another fine essay. best, bb.

41 posted on 10/02/2001 12:16:45 PM PDT by betty boop
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