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What Muslim Would Write: 'The time of fun and waste is gone'?
London Independent ^ | Saturday, September 29, 2001 | Robert Fisk

Posted on 09/29/2001 3:30:22 PM PDT by Paul Ross

What Muslim would write: 'The time of fun and waste is gone'?

Robert Fisk

29 September 2001

Fearful, chilling, grotesque – but also very, very odd. If the handwritten, five-page document which the FBI says it found in the baggage of Mohamed Atta, the suicide bomber from Egypt, is genuine, then the men who murdered more than 7,000 innocent people believed in a very exclusive version of Islam – or were surprisingly unfamiliar with their religion.

"The time of Fun and waste is gone,'' Atta, or one of his associates, is reported to have written in the note. "Be optimistic ... Check all your items – your bag, your clothes, your knives, your will, your IDs, your passport ... In the morning, try to pray the morning prayer with an open heart.''

Part theological, part mission statement, the document – extracts from which were published in The Washington Post yesterday – raises more questions than it answers.

Under the heading of "Last Night'' – presumably the night of 10 September – the writer tells his fellow hijackers to "remind yourself that in this night you will face many challenges. But you have to face them and understand it 100 per cent ... Obey God, his messenger, and don't fight among yourself [sic] where [sic] you become weak ... Everybody hates death, fears death ..."

The document begins with the words: "In the name of God, the most merciful, the most compassionate ... In the name of God, of myself, and of my family.''

The problem is that no Muslim – however ill-taught – would include his family in such a prayer. Indeed, he would mention the Prophet Mohamed immediately after he mentioned God in the first line. Lebanese and Palestinian suicide bombers have never been known to refer to "the time of fun and waste'' – because a true Muslim would not have "wasted'' his time and would regard pleasure as a reward of the after-life.

And what Muslim would urge his fellow believers to recite the morning prayer – and then go on to quote from it? A devout Muslim would not need to be reminded of his duty to say the first of the five prayers of the day – and would certainly not need to be reminded of the text. It is as if a Christian, urging his followers to recite the Lord's Prayer, felt it necessary to read the whole prayer in case they didn't remember it.

American scholars have already raised questions about the use of "100 per cent'' – hardly a theological term to be found in a religious exhortation – and the use of the word "optimistic'' with reference to the Prophet is a decidedly modern word.

However, the full and original Arabic text has not been released by the FBI. The translation, as it stands, suggests an almost Christian view of what the hijackers might have felt – asking to be forgiven their sins, explaining that fear of death is natural, that "a believer is always plagued with problems''.

A Muslim is encouraged not to fear death – it is, after all, the moment when he or she believes they will start a new life – and a believer in the Islamic world is one who is certain of his path, not "plagued with problems''.

There are no references to any of Osama bin Laden's demands – for an American withdrawal from the Gulf, an end to Israeli occupation, the overthrow of pro-American Arab regimes – nor any narrative context for the atrocities about to be committed. If the men had an aspiration – and if the document is above suspicion – then they were sending their message direct to their God.

The prayer/instructions may have been distributed to other hijackers before the massacres occurred – The Washington Post says the FBI found another copy of "essentially the same document'' in the wreckage of the plane which crashed in Pennsylvania. No text of this document has been released.

In the past, CIA translators have turned out to be Lebanese Maronite Christians whose understanding of Islam and its prayers may have led to serious textual errors. Could this be to blame for the weird references in the note found in Atta's baggage? Or is there something more mysterious about the background of those who committed a crime against humanity in New York and Washington, just over two weeks ago?

From the start, the hole in the story has been the reported behaviour of the hijackers. Atta was said to have been a near-alcoholic, while Ziad Jarrahi, the alleged Lebanese hijacker of the plane which crashed in Pennsylvania, had a Turkish girlfriend in Hamburg and enjoyed nightclubs and drinking. Is this why the published text refers to the "forgiveness'' of sin?

The final instruction, "to make sure that you are clean, your clothes are clean, including your shoes,'' may have been intended as a call to purify a "martyr" before death. Equally, it may reflect the thoughts of a truly eccentric – and wicked – mind.

The document found in Atta's baggage ends with a heading: "When you enter the plane". It then urges the hijackers to recite: "Oh God, open all doors for me ... I am asking for your help. I am asking you for forgiveness. I am asking you to lighten my way. I am asking you to lift the burden I feel ...''

Was this an attempt to smother latent feelings of compassion towards the passengers on the hijacked planes – who included children among them – or towards the thousands who would die when the aircraft crashed? Did the 19 suicide bombers say these words to themselves in their last moments?

Or didn't they need to.

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1 posted on 09/29/2001 3:30:22 PM PDT by Paul Ross
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To: Paul Ross
Answer to the first question: a deranged one.
2 posted on 09/29/2001 3:32:29 PM PDT by RightOnTheLeftCoast
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To: Paul Ross
I took that to mean no more topless clubs,drinking to keep your cover etc....No more acting like a normal healthy human being.
3 posted on 09/29/2001 3:33:12 PM PDT by eastforker
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To: Paul Ross
Interesting
4 posted on 09/29/2001 3:34:39 PM PDT by Free the USA
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To: Paul Ross
I wonder if this document, and the fact that it was easily found, was meant to somehow perhaps throw off the investigators. Maybe it was Sadaam all along, and he had them carry this crazy sounding Islamic crap, (and what, that picture of Bin Laden in the car???) in order to implicate him (believe me, I have no problem crushing OBL and his guys anyways, regardless).

A Question my wife asked that I wasnt really able to answer. Why would you even PACK LUGGAGE if you were on a suicide mission???

Ha! Maybe I should brush off that Aluminum Beanie...

5 posted on 09/29/2001 3:40:24 PM PDT by Paradox
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To: Paradox
Um, pack clothes to look normal, and not leave unnecessary stuff behind. The reference to "fun and waste", I would think that the "fun" part is obvious even if it was against their "religion". The "waste" part, could it be the time between training and action? Just my 2 cents.
6 posted on 09/29/2001 3:51:06 PM PDT by Jaded
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To: Jaded
I don't think we can really figure these people out because their culture and beliefs are completely different than ours. They have a very different mindset that we can never understand. I think they are basically like sharks, they just want the taste of blood and are in a blood frenzy.
7 posted on 09/29/2001 3:55:44 PM PDT by FITZ
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To: ankaboot
Having made many Muslim friends while in college, I can state without malice, that it is not unusual for young male Muslims, given the "opportunities" found in the US, to drop strict obedience to the dictates of the Prophet.
9 posted on 09/29/2001 4:33:52 PM PDT by JmyBryan
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To: ankaboot
I'm as American as one can get, and a muslim.

I'll believe you are a good person, maybe you are naturally a good person and it isn't because or or in spite of Islam. But I'm wondering alot about Islam now, since bin Laden and all the terrorists seem to find something in the Koran that justifies mass murder, what evil is it that they are tapping into and how does it seem to have made it's way into the Koran itself?

13 posted on 09/29/2001 9:32:18 PM PDT by FITZ
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To: ankaboot
I ask in all sincerity, what kind of religion promises jihadists an eternity of sex with virgins as a reward for committing mass murder in the name of their god?
14 posted on 09/29/2001 9:39:58 PM PDT by Travis McGee
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To: ankaboot
this behavior that involves some (far too many, it's really an embarrassment) visitors from the millennial muslim world

At the colleges I went to it was more than "some", it was most and it certainly didn't seem to be a new trait they had just picked up upon landing in the US. In fact when asked, they universally refer to Islamic law (and I believe they find this justified in the Koran) about the mut'a (temporary marriages). They told me the marriages can last one night, one week, or whatever agreed upon amount of time and there is some kind of material gift made to the woman as part of the deal. They all seemed to have had temporary marriages the same way back home so I question the purity of many of the women too.

15 posted on 09/29/2001 9:40:39 PM PDT by FITZ
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To: FITZ
How can you not see the meaning of that reference? These men hated the United States. I've seen interviews (before) this attack of similar men talking about Americans as naive and interested only in Hollywood -- etc.

The reference was to America. The time of fun and waste is over [for America].

16 posted on 09/29/2001 9:46:10 PM PDT by Naspino
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To: Paul Ross
There are no references to any of Osama bin Laden's demands – for an American withdrawal from the Gulf, an end to Israeli occupation, the overthrow of pro-American Arab regimes – nor any narrative context for the atrocities about to be committed.

What an idiotic statement. The letter was not intended for public consumption--it was in the baggage that Atta believed would be burned up with the rest of the plane. Why would it be expected to mention "any of Osama bin Laden's demands"?

17 posted on 09/29/2001 9:49:12 PM PDT by denydenydeny
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To: halflion
I too am sceptical of this government evidence. This sounds more of a mistake, hoax, manufectured government lie. As if hijackers who are alleged to have planned this for many years wanted to leave evidence so obvious that even dumb criminals would not.

One reason to leave evidence is so that you can be indentified and remembered forever in this world.

18 posted on 09/29/2001 9:52:07 PM PDT by Free the USA
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To: Naspino
I think it was probably meant for America, but I don't think think Muslims are pious people who are more moral than Americans, from everything I've seen and heard, they are actually quite a lot less moral. The college students were far from Puritan and they all seemed to believe in some kind of very short term marriage which to us is nothing more than fornication or even prostitution. They also drank liquor and I think you can find many Arabs visiting Las Vegas too. And married men are perfectly free to date and commit adultery because adultery is defined very differently in Islamic countries.
19 posted on 09/29/2001 9:55:51 PM PDT by FITZ
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To: FITZ
In the case of suicide jihadists this is more so: you can be as "bad a moslem" as you want in this world, you can lie, whore, drink, have all the "fun and waste" you want....

And you still have an iron-clad deal that if you die in the act of slaying infidels, you go straight to Allah's Paradise, to collect your 72 virgins and begin your eternity of fornicating.

It's the "best of both world's" for suicide commandos. Guaranteed by Allah, or so they believe.

21 posted on 09/29/2001 10:05:58 PM PDT by Travis McGee
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To: FITZ
It is just complete, blind hatred. Their hatred is almost a religion in itself.
22 posted on 09/29/2001 10:13:08 PM PDT by tiki
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To: ankaboot
I flew out of Riyadh many times to London and once out of Saudi airspace the Muslim women headed for the bathrooms to don their tight designer jeans and the men started emptying the plane's supply of booze. The behavior of the hijackers was NOT atypical at all.
23 posted on 09/29/2001 10:13:44 PM PDT by Texasforever
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To: ankaboot
My agenda is defending America, and we are going to have this conversation until you come to grips with the fact that a large and deadly minority of your religion believes the "suicide murder approved by Allah" nonsense.

It is no good coming to Free Republic to convince non-moslems about what a peaceful religion Islam is: we have eyes to see the results, in New York and elsewhere from the Phillipines to Nigeria.

You need to get on the Islamic bulletin boards and convince your murder-bent co-religionists of the error of their ways before they bring ruin to the entire moslem world.

You need to understand that if there are a few more 9-11s, trade and travel between the West and Islamic states will cease. The West will hit hard at the terrorist sanctuaries, the Islamic nations will lynch all Westerners they can find, and Arab Moslems will be dealt with harshly in the West, either by our governments, or our well armed people.

We cannot simply allow hidden terrorists the luxury of living among us by wearing the sheep's clothing of "moderation". Mohammed Atta was a very "moderate" Moslem Arab until the day he slit the throats innocent stewardesses and pilots and flew a large Boeing jetliner into a building full of 20,000 innocent people. If terrorists can so easily hide among us, then after more terrorist attacks we will corral the sheep these wolves hide among so effectively. We are talking about national survival.

This ugly future is assured if you cannot persuade your mad co-religionists to take some sort of rabies shots.

There is no middle ground, my American friend: you either stand with America, or you stand with the terrorists.

24 posted on 09/29/2001 10:24:49 PM PDT by Travis McGee
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To: ankaboot
You might be the best person ever but the Arabs in the voice chat rooms don't seem very horrified by the attacks on the US. Even the ones who will admit it was terrible will add that "we" deserved it though because of Israel. Up until Sept 11, I leaned pro-Arab/anti-Israel but of course that opinion changed quickly. There might be good peace-loving Muslims---I don't know how many but how can the others be convinced to become like them instead of what they are now?
25 posted on 09/29/2001 10:34:46 PM PDT by FITZ
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To: FITZ
"...and there is some kind of material gift made to the woman as part of the deal."

Well, I guess we know what we call it in this culture when a material gift is made to the woman as part of the deal. Thanks to the libbers, our women now give it away without even expecting marriage or a "material gift."

27 posted on 09/29/2001 10:52:03 PM PDT by Let's Roll
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To: ankaboot
You seem very ready to call the Shi'ah Moslems fanatics, but aren't Osama Bin Ladin, Al Qa'ida, the Talibans, and their fanatical followers world wide Wahhabist Sunni Moslems?
28 posted on 09/29/2001 10:57:51 PM PDT by Travis McGee
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RE: Your comments #25 ---

Well stated and THANK YOU! I wholeheartedly concur!

29 posted on 09/29/2001 10:57:52 PM PDT by onyx
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To: ankaboot
Be like the better son of Adam

No we are not going to let Cain sucker us this time into going out into the field on a peaceful pretext only to get creamed.

30 posted on 09/29/2001 11:01:31 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck
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To: ankaboot
I don't want to be rude to you and you may be a fine person but, please stop with the muslim stuff. Many of us have traveled or lived in the mid-east and are not ignorant to the ways of Islam. I am in no mood to listen to you shilling for the islamic religion and its customs. The USA has undergone a terrible attack and we will have the last word in this war.

Like Travis stated, "You are either with US or with the terrorists".

31 posted on 09/29/2001 11:01:44 PM PDT by seeker41
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To: Travis McGee
Travis,

I think that the worldwide Islamic community needs to do some internal housecleaning. The official U.S. policy should be that if the Islamic community cannot prevent anymore terrorist attacks against any and all Americans then there is no alternative but to make craters out of all Muslim holy cities, including Mecca. If there are any more attacks against the citizens of the United States anywhere in the world, then Mecca will be made into a crater the size of Rhode Island and filled with the rotting carcuses of pigs.

Semper Fi
Bob
33 posted on 09/29/2001 11:10:17 PM PDT by Robert Lomax
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To: onyx
Thank you!
35 posted on 09/29/2001 11:13:13 PM PDT by Travis McGee
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To: ankaboot
The students you saw were certainly -- and obviously -- from Persia (Iran):

You're right there. I did know many more Persians than Arabs and the Persians were the ones who told me about mut'a. They claim the Arabs are far less moral than Persians, the Arabs practice polygamy much more and Persians are almost monogamous. They pointed out that many Arabs unlike Persians have the big oil money dollars and are the ones living it up drinking and going to Las Vegas and buying gaudy jewelry and cars.

37 posted on 09/29/2001 11:16:19 PM PDT by FITZ
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To: ankaboot
Well that is a good attempt at rationalizing the problem but the reality is that the Middle East Muslims that are free and financially able to travel ARE representative of what I posted. We are not endangered by the camel herder in the desert, the danger comes from the highest strata of Muslim culture. And NO the women that ran to change into the designer jeans were Semitic Muslims NOT converted Caucasians. Even the Saudi Royal family is not immune to the temptations of the west. However, the demand fealty to Islam from their subjects while demanding that London’s Harrods be closed to the public while they go on their shopping sprees.
38 posted on 09/29/2001 11:20:25 PM PDT by Texasforever
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To: ankaboot
You go into minute detail on the sexual social travel habits of Moslems, and even agriculture and the ecology, but how about going into some detail explaining to us non-Moslems the sick psychological pathology sweeping through Islamic nations today, which may ruin our Western economies for a while, but which will boomerang back to bring utter ruin to the Islamic world?

In word, what are the Islamic nations going to eat after they succeed in destroying trade and travel between Islamic countries and the West? And never mind the type of fertilizer.

You asked my "agenda" a few posts back, and I answered around #24, but now you are ducking me and going off on tangents.

Also address the fact that the insane death cultists in Al Qa'ida etc are Wahhabist SUNNI Moslems, not Shi'Ah as you try to make them out to be.

39 posted on 09/29/2001 11:24:44 PM PDT by Travis McGee
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To: ankaboot
Neither does random promiscuity, other than as a "When in Rome, do as ..." proposition that they learn from American television and on the campus.

I don't think you can blame Americans for Arabs' wild ways when they come here. I read one of Osama bin Laden's wives was just 12 when he traded on of his little daughters to another older man for her. Pedophilia isn't moral and obviously that means little girls lose their virginity very young so you can't compare that with American women waiting until they are 20 or so.

40 posted on 09/29/2001 11:30:04 PM PDT by FITZ
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To: Paul Ross
Feb. 7, 2001, James Zogby's lament, "flying while Arab" in a speech at USF..Ref. St. Petersburg Times archive..
41 posted on 09/29/2001 11:39:56 PM PDT by col kurz
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To: seeker41
"Like Travis stated, "You are either with US or with the terrorists".

I like that too, and I don't care if I AM rude!

The muslims in this country better start policing themselves and start denouncing the terrorists from the rooftops. I don't mean like the shills we see on TV that we later find out are Hamas supporters either. Was that guy the BEST they could come up with, or are they all like that?

These terrorists are still among us, and it appears they have lots of support. Get the internment camps opened up until we get them sorted out! Right or wrong - it doesn't matter. It's what's safe and smart for OUR country. We've been been around for 225 years while these bums were still living in dirt in their backwards hell holes, waiting on someone to show them how to pump oil.

I feel better now!

42 posted on 09/29/2001 11:41:22 PM PDT by Bill Rice
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Yes, but the 13 year old Moslem virgin girls are 100% chaste and pure.

(Until their wedding night, when they meet their new 45 year old husband/rapist as wife #4 for the first time.)

Lovely culture. (The ideal wife is buried in her perfectly clean and new ceremonial wedding shoes as a sign that she never had to ever leave her husband's house: the lesser wives, servants and slaves did all the shopping.)

43 posted on 09/29/2001 11:46:02 PM PDT by Travis McGee
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Will these virgins in paradise STAY virgins?

If they do, where's the paradise?

If they don't, then even though they WERE virgins, sooner or later in eternity, they're gonna start getting pretty sloppy.

Not only that, but eventually, they'd all start fighting, and bitching over "the heroe". Again - where's the paradise here?

44 posted on 09/30/2001 12:08:12 AM PDT by Bill Rice
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Obviously, Robert, the hijacking was a cry for help. We are all guilty. We must look to the root causes of terrorism. The answer lies at the interface of caring and sharing. What does Polly Toynbee think?
46 posted on 09/30/2001 12:38:33 AM PDT by Clinton's a rapist
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To: ankaboot
Demonizing American muslims doesn't defend anything at all, it's just another element of the attack on America. A major element, as I've explained elsewhere: a backlash against American muslims and the provocation of a military adventure against people who didn't do the deed, and without evidence, to posit the decayed millennial muslim world against America.

I think most of us believe the terrorism is being done by foreign born muslims but in war there are always backlashes to the possible innocent people who had nothing to do with the problem. Not too many of us have ever met an American muslim who has been American for many generations because in most cities there were no mosques or muslims just 30-40 years ago. If American muslims aren't wearing towels on their heads or speaking with heavy accents, I don't even know how someone would pick them out of a crowd since they're Caucasian just like many of us are.

50 posted on 09/30/2001 8:21:54 AM PDT by FITZ
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