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Americans saying with wallet, "We feel safer when armed"
Evansville Courier & Press ^ | September 29, 2001 | Scripps Howard News Service

Posted on 09/29/2001 4:29:48 PM PDT by TERMINATTOR

Gun sale resurgence: Americans saying with wallet, "We feel safer when armed"

Scripps Howard News Service

Keeping up with the changes in the political landscape as America girds for war could give a person whiplash. The old bedrock assumptions about defense and domestic spending, rights to "privacy" and the operation of law enforcement, even opinions on criminal profiling, are changing with lightning speed.

So, too, has there been another, perhaps little-noted shift: our view of guns. I should say the fashionable circle's view of guns. After all, there are some 200 million firearms in the United States, the vast majority of which are legally owned.

Nevertheless, every time there is any kind of an assault with firearms against innocents, we inevitably hear that more gun control is the "answer" because, according to these folks, guns are the root of all crime and mayhem. Usually there's an attempt, often successful, at more gun-control initiatives.

Then came the horror of Sept. 11. What few have ventured to point out is that in this entire calamitous crime, throughout this act of war and terrorism like our country has never seen before, not a single gun was used. So much for seeing guns as the problem, and gun control as the solution.

Americans want to feel safer, and they want to protect their children, which is why this time they are emptying gun stores, fast. Six eastern states, presumably those with populations who feel most vulnerable as a result of the recent attacks and including several, such as New York, that have lead the way in strictly controlling guns, report that gun sales are soaring. And don't you know that more than a few of the purchasers, who would have been aghast at such a thought just a few weeks ago, are sheepishly purchasing them?

No, guns may not exactly protect their carriers against terrorists - then again, they might - but people are voting with their wallets. And they are saying they feel safer with guns than with those who would "protect" them by limiting or ending their ability to get a firearm. We may be witnessing a change from "gun as menace" to "gun as marvel" mentality. Consider the call for sky marshals on airlines, and now the plea from the Airline Pilots Association that pilots be allowed to pack heat during flights. I'm not exactly sure how the pilots would both fend off hijackers with a firearm and fly the plane, but I think the larger point is one of deterrence.

People everywhere, including criminals and even suicidal hijackers, at some level make rational calculations. If the hijackers had thought for a moment that anyone on the plane was at all likely to be armed and ready to use a gun, they almost certainly would not have attempted their deed, simply out of knowledge their plot would fail.

Talk of arming pilots and the extent to which we're putting air marshals on planes may be one reason they will almost certainly not attempt this particular route of terrorism again. They will likely try other avenues to terrorism against which guns may not deter.

But the larger point is that in times of peace and prosperity, society has the luxury of turning down its collectively turned-up nose on those who would protect themselves and their families with firearms. But in time of war, reality and self-preservation surface.

When the smoke clears, we'll notice something else on the new political landscape: that it will be a long, long time before Gun Control Inc. dares to advocate curbs on the Second Amendment again.


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People are buying guns "for the children"(s) protection. I guess, good parents don't want their kids blown up by terrorists. Now if they can just cut off their kids supply of leftist propaganda in the schools, there may be hope for this countries future.

"A well-regulated Militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms shall not be infringed." - Second Amendment to the U.S. Constitution

Thank you for flying Liberty Airlines.
Have a safe flight!

1 posted on 09/29/2001 4:29:48 PM PDT by TERMINATTOR
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To: bang_list
Index to Bang List.
2 posted on 09/29/2001 4:30:32 PM PDT by TERMINATTOR
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To: TERMINATTOR
Oh, is this why I bought so much .357 ammo this week? Arming myself just seemed like the right thing to do. The media that claims that we are safer if we are helpless are sure looking like fools lately.
3 posted on 09/29/2001 4:36:30 PM PDT by Hillary 666
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To: TERMINATTOR
I just want to know where I should be investing to ride this wave of new-found self-defense?
4 posted on 09/29/2001 4:41:05 PM PDT by anniegetyourgun
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To: Hillary 666
The media that claims that we are safer if we are helpless are sure looking like fools lately

Yes, and thank God! for small favors!
( OK, I always thought they looked foolish, but... )

I view this as a common-sense reaction to a threat. Most of the media tries to portray it as "panic buying," but I think most Americans see right thru that little semantic hustle.

5 posted on 09/29/2001 4:41:40 PM PDT by backhoe
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To: TERMINATTOR
I didn't need a gun today, but I bought a case of shotgun shells to shoot them mean ole skeets.

I have a skeet range in my basement along side my rifle and pistol range.

No wait!
I have no basement. I must be using that wonderful
Rifle and Pistol Club range near me. ;-)

6 posted on 09/29/2001 4:43:34 PM PDT by rw4site
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To: TERMINATTOR
I'm very happy to hear about all the gun sales... let's also hope these folks get some good training -- so they can hit what they aim at.
7 posted on 09/29/2001 4:43:43 PM PDT by alley cat
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To: backhoe
I really would have liked to see President Bush call on all Americans to be alert and vigilant for suspicious behavior, and in the event that law enforcement is not available in a timely manner to do what was necessary to protect the country's infrastructure and citizens.

Oh well, I can dream can't I? ;-)
8 posted on 09/29/2001 4:46:33 PM PDT by cgbg
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To: TERMINATTOR
People are buying guns

Got it down to two either a Glock 17 or Beretta 92, I am leaning towards the Beretta, comments and advice welcomed.

9 posted on 09/29/2001 4:48:14 PM PDT by TightSqueeze
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To: rw4site
I may go diving for all those guns, I lost in the flood of '27.
10 posted on 09/29/2001 4:49:13 PM PDT by razorback-bert
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To: TERMINATTOR
While I admire the author's optimism, I got money that says the ASD (Anti-self defense) crowd's agenda is hardly phased by the events of the past two weeks. Before the year is out they'll be backing major registration/disarmament legislation in Congress.

One "Terrorist" shooting somewhere in the US of A and they'll be on CNN for half the day pushing their 'solution'.

11 posted on 09/29/2001 4:49:15 PM PDT by El Sordo
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To: backhoe
It is too bad that 6000 more people had to die for these fools to wake up regarding their Constitutional rights. Now if we can get them to handle these weapons safely and responsibly.... p.s. I've been reading F.R. for a long time and FINALLY signed up. Great news source!
12 posted on 09/29/2001 4:53:21 PM PDT by outpost44
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To: anniegetyourgun
I loading up on stock in the first company that comes out with an anti-jihadist-pork round! I don't believe in that 70 virgins BS, buy why take chances? I'd like to make sure that any jihadists I might shoot, go straight to hell non-stop, without diddling around with their 70 virgins.
13 posted on 09/29/2001 4:53:31 PM PDT by TERMINATTOR
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To: TERMINATTOR
I was armed when being armed wasn't cool!
14 posted on 09/29/2001 4:54:09 PM PDT by blam
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To: rw4site
When I were a lad, my dad built me a bullet trap and I used to shoot .22 shorts in our basement. I have a great dad.
15 posted on 09/29/2001 4:57:40 PM PDT by MistrX
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To: blam
I keep a pistol in my pocket all day long.
16 posted on 09/29/2001 4:58:34 PM PDT by Aztech
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To: TERMINATTOR
From the article: "I'm not exactly sure how the pilots would both fend off hijackers with a firearm and fly the plane ..."

Two pilots (and an auto-pilot) and one airplane ...

You do the math.

Just exactly what are the co-pilot's duties during a hijacker's attempt to enter the cockpit? Dial 9-1-1 ?

17 posted on 09/29/2001 4:59:06 PM PDT by William Tell
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To: TightSqueeze
I have fired both. They are both exellent weapons. Both are used by police and the military Both are 9mm so no shortage of ammo. I own a Glock 17 so I am partial to Glocks.
Get a Glock :)
18 posted on 09/29/2001 4:59:53 PM PDT by Brasky
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To: outpost44
Welcome, outpost44!

Hope you continue to make FR one of your regular "stops". (I also hope your social life can stand the hit — it's incredibly addictive!)

19 posted on 09/29/2001 5:04:24 PM PDT by Skibane
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To: TightSqueeze
80% of law enforcement officers in U.S. carry Glocks, that should tell you something. I carry a Glock 22C. Glocks are dependable, easy to care for, accurate, and will last three life times.
20 posted on 09/29/2001 5:04:43 PM PDT by kempo
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To: TERMINATTOR
it will be a long, long time before Gun Control Inc. dares to advocate curbs on the Second Amendment again.

Four guns in four cockpits could have saved over 6,000 lives. Just think about it all you gun grabbing politicians.

If you think a pilot with a gun is dangerous, just remember one thing. He is already in control of a 300,000 lb. missile traveling faster than a 45 cal. bullet at muzzle velocity.

21 posted on 09/29/2001 5:05:42 PM PDT by chainsaw
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To: TERMINATTOR
Went to one of the Eastman Gun Shows today.......Atlanta area. Largest crowd I have ever seen. People were buying even though the prices were inflated.
22 posted on 09/29/2001 5:06:18 PM PDT by True Grit
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To: TERMINATTOR
Ok, since we are on the subject......

What is a good rifle to get for self defense during civic unrest?

(btw - been a member for a long time but I don't usually post. Cant remember logon name America"something". Is there a list of names? Probably not.)

23 posted on 09/29/2001 5:06:44 PM PDT by TheLooseThread
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To: TERMINATTOR
I might buy some airline stock if they would carpet the entrance of the terminals, ticket counter areas, loading ramps, and airplanes with pig skin. It would also help if they required all passengers to smear a little hog lard on their foreheads and forearms in order to fly on the planes. Or....., they could just allow the second amendment to work.
24 posted on 09/29/2001 5:13:07 PM PDT by rw4site
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To: TightSqueeze
Your local sheriffs dept. carries Glocks FWIW.
25 posted on 09/29/2001 5:13:51 PM PDT by StriperSniper
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To: TightSqueeze
I'm going to get flamed for saying this, but I don't like the glock trigger safety setup. ANYTHING that pushes on the trigger will fire it, branch, key, pen, holster, etc.. Beretta 92FS is good. I like something more powerful than a 9mm, so I got a H&K USP Compact .357 SIG. The .357 SIG round is kinda, a 9mm bullet in a .40 case.
Head for the range and rent as many pistols as you can, and try them out to see what you like.
26 posted on 09/29/2001 5:21:31 PM PDT by TERMINATTOR
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To: TERMINATTOR
What few have ventured to point out is that in this entire calamitous crime, throughout this act of war and terrorism like our country has never seen before, not a single gun was used.

FMCDH BUMP!

27 posted on 09/29/2001 5:28:05 PM PDT by AK2KX
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To: William Tell
No armed pilot is going to 'fend off' anybody, if they pull out a gun, they will shoot to kill.

Now we have to convince our government and our President to stop dithering around with Handgun Control's "solutions" and allow our pilots to be armed, and maybe a few passengers, too.

28 posted on 09/29/2001 5:31:51 PM PDT by pray4liberty
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To: TightSqueeze
Got it down to two either a Glock 17 or Beretta 92, I am leaning towards the Beretta, comments and advice welcomed.

I just bought myself a new Glock 27 yesterday. I had absolutely no intention of acquiring another weapon just yet, but I accompanied my boyfriend to the gun shop, because he had bought a new shotgun and needed to have it transferred from the dealer across the state to the local dealer.

They had exactly one Glock 27 (40 cal.) available, and it's exactly what I've been wanting. I made the mistake of asking to look at it, and as soon as I had my hands on it I knew I couldn't walk out of the store without it.

Here in Florida, if you have CCW there's no waiting period. So I came home with my shiny new Glock in hand. Today we went out to where we have our range set up and blasted away like Cuban revolutionaries. It was great!!!!!

P.S. My previous carry gun was a Beretta .32 Tomcat. The frame has cracked in 3 places and it is even now on its way to Beretta, where hopefully they will just replace the thing.
29 posted on 09/29/2001 5:41:32 PM PDT by sonjay
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To: sonjay
Must have been a great week for the dealers, indeed. I had only one thing left on my wish list, and picked it up a few days ago, and spent a happy day at the range.

A nice cuddly Colt Combat Commander MKIV in Stainless. Now I gotta buy 45ACP dies, a new turret, and a thousand primers.

30 posted on 09/29/2001 5:51:16 PM PDT by Gorzaloon
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To: TERMINATTOR
We sat back thinking that
the government would, and could protect us, they didn't, and
they can't, we must do it ourselves!!!
31 posted on 09/29/2001 5:54:09 PM PDT by evaporation-plus
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To: Gorzaloon
Excellent choice.

L

32 posted on 09/29/2001 5:57:35 PM PDT by Lurker
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To: TheLooseThread
Get a pump action 12 guage shotgun before you buy a rifle.

L

33 posted on 09/29/2001 5:58:15 PM PDT by Lurker
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To: Hillary 666
So I spent much of the last two weekends loading ammo and bottling beer.
If TSHTF I'll be set one way or the other!
34 posted on 09/29/2001 5:58:36 PM PDT by Eagle Eye
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To: TightSqueeze
Both are fine weapons. No way to go wrong with either. The Beretta has a three-year warranty, while the Glock holds only a one-year. Something to think about. The Beretta also holds the lead in accuracy over the Glock.

Callahan

35 posted on 09/29/2001 6:01:14 PM PDT by Inspector Harry Callahan
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To: TheLooseThread
There are lots of threads on FR about, what gun should I buy for........ Here's a home defense thread with links to other threads. Or....

"A well-regulated Militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms shall not be infringed." - Second Amendment to the U.S. Constitution

Congress has provided (Article I - Section. 8, U.S. Constitution) the Militia with a means to arm themselves: CMP (Civilian Markmenship Program).

Luke 22:36 (KJV) --Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one.

Got sword? (M1 Garand ==>CMP)

No mercy, no quarter!
May the jihadists burn in hell for eternity!
Help speed them on their way!

Bible quotes in favor of annihilating jihadists
We must be ever vigilant in protecting our inalienable rights as enumerated in the Constitution and BOR.
Molon Labe!

36 posted on 09/29/2001 6:09:47 PM PDT by TERMINATTOR
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To: TheLooseThread
So You Want To Buy A Gun

Enjoy.

L

37 posted on 09/29/2001 6:11:54 PM PDT by Lurker
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To: TERMINATTOR
.. Beretta 92FS is good.

The one that caught my eye was the 92D

I like something more powerful than a 9mm,

I also considered a .45 but wasn't looking for another career, and I thought I would be able to become more proficent faster with 9mm.

Head for the range and rent as many pistols as you can, and try them out to see what you like.

Wish it was that easy, but I live here in occupied New Jersey and that does not seem possible. Thanks

38 posted on 09/29/2001 6:26:53 PM PDT by TightSqueeze
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To: TERMINATTOR
I just arrived back home from purchasing a Mossberg 590 DA. While going through the
usual rigmarole when purchasing firearms in California, the salesman let out a chuckle and pointed to a number
on my paper work.

He pointed to a number and said, "There are a lot of people buying guns in California
today." As of 5PM, there were close to 1300 shotguns or rifles purchased. He went on to tell me that usually
the number is in the mid hundreds on any given day. will allow me to pick it up.

39 posted on 09/29/2001 6:30:04 PM PDT by Vivaldi's Manifesto
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To: TERMINATTOR
I just arrived back home from purchasing a Mossberg 590 DA. While going through the
usual rigmarole when purchasing firearms in California, the salesman let out a chuckle and pointed to a number
on my paper work.

He pointed to a number and said, "There are a lot of people buying guns in California
today." As of 5PM, there were close to 1300 shotguns or rifles purchased. He went on to tell me that usually
the number is in the mid hundreds on any given day.

Can't wait to go shootin'. Of course, I'll have to wait 10 days before the State
will allow me to pick it up.

40 posted on 09/29/2001 6:31:02 PM PDT by Vivaldi's Manifesto
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To: Lurker
Sweet. Got one of those for home defense a few years ago, PLUS a rifle within the last year.

Now...for the handgun! Christmas, anyone?

Can't wait for my daughter to be born. I'm getting rusty without any range time...

42 posted on 09/29/2001 6:35:56 PM PDT by TheWriter
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To: sonjay
They had exactly one Glock 27 (40 cal.) available

Sure is a good looking gun, what is the advantage of .40 cal? I researched 9mm and 45 cal. thought the learning curve would be shorter on the 9mm.

When you hold each gun (Beretta / Glock) the Beretta is a thing of beauty, it fits the human hand so well (I could probably sell things) the Glock is less appealing in both feel and looks IMHO. I am moving to Florida sometime next year, the paperwork necessary for New Jersey just to purchase, would have obtained a carry permit in Florida. Thanks.

43 posted on 09/29/2001 6:37:41 PM PDT by TightSqueeze
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To: TERMINATTOR
ANYTHING that pushes on the trigger will fire it, branch, key, pen, holster, etc..

Yikes, I was thinking of a Glock for ccw, but not if the trigger will fire that easy! Help, now what do I get?

44 posted on 09/29/2001 6:38:47 PM PDT by snippy_about_it
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To: TheWriter
If you are interested in an S & W Model 19, let me know.

I've been saving one for a 'special occassion'.

Regards,

L

45 posted on 09/29/2001 6:40:26 PM PDT by Lurker
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To: TheLooseThread
I think you should get a pre-ban FNFAL if you can find one.
46 posted on 09/29/2001 6:40:41 PM PDT by killerw
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To: TERMINATTOR
I went to the Tanner gun show here in Denver last weekend. It was packed with all kinds of people buying guns and ammo. Sarah Brady would've wept.

I picked up 1000 rounds of 7.62x39mm for my namesake and I treated myself to a nice .45 1911. Bring it on!

47 posted on 09/29/2001 6:46:28 PM PDT by Drew68
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To: TightSqueeze
Don't get a pistol chambered in 9mm, friend.

Make it a .45 ACP, preferably single-action.

Freepers don't let Freepers buy nine-millimeters.

48 posted on 09/29/2001 6:47:52 PM PDT by The KG9 Kid
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To: Inspector Harry Callahan
Both are fine weapons. No way to go wrong with either.

Years ago I purchased a Beretta 21A 22 Cal. LR, to have something in the house, just in case. Got farily good with it, now I feel the need for a higher level of protection. If it was possible to commit to weekly target practice, the choice would be a 1911 45ACP Kimber, but I don't have the time to become an expert shot. Figure a 9mm with a pre-ban clip will overcome some inaccuracies in skill. Thanks

49 posted on 09/29/2001 6:50:06 PM PDT by TightSqueeze
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To: TightSqueeze
"...Figure a 9mm with a pre-ban clip will overcome some inaccuracies in skill."

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50 posted on 09/29/2001 6:58:25 PM PDT by The KG9 Kid
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