Posted on 09/29/2001 11:21:19 PM PDT by Keyes2000mt
I'm not a Muslim but I'm very curious to know if there are Muslim Freepers on the forum? I haven't heard of any. I know there are Christians of all stripes, Jews, Agnostics, and Atheists, but I've not seen any Muslims yet.
Will it make a diff somehow?
I did want to make a few comments about my own observations of people from the Middle East. I notice that the only way that their world view can make sense is with elaborate consiracies. A U.S. Israeli conspiracy is the most obvious, but people that have been here for 50 years think that the U.S. is intentionally keeping the Middle East down and bringing boat loads of money, literally like pirates, from there to here.
Also, I wanted to say that I feel that modern Islam in the Middle-East is Anti-American despite what Bush says. Have you heard of a major Islamic leader in the Middle-East say that Islam should not preach Anti-American hate messages, brainwashing children to aspire to martyrdom in a holy war with the U.S.? I have not. If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck it's a duck. Modern Islam is Anti-American. People will quote the Koran and say Islam is nonviolent, but look at the islamic leaders. Even if they disagree with Anti-American messages. They say nothing about them, giving tacit approval to the extremists. Don't get me wrong I think Islam has been hijacked just like those planes, but no one is doing anything to take the religion back.
Radical Wahhabist Islam thrives everywhere through pure terror, from the Phillipines to Nigeria.
I think if enough like you could enlighten him, we may get somewhere.
Do you mean Moslem background or PRACTICING Moslems.
I know many people who are from Moslem countries but who do not practice Islam.
In fact almost all of them hate religion, not just Islam, but ALL religion.
You are right, the only Islam leaders I've seen speak out against this are the very moderate American ones.
Bless you.
Modern Islam's teachings explain why bin Laden is thought of as a hero, and not a fanatical monster.
What percentage of Muslims do you think adhere to the anti-American rant?
Squares pretty well with the German experience. Hitler tried to hijack Christianity, then turned on them when most refused to cooperate. Then there was the 30 years war when Catholics and Protestants took turns burning each other's villages.
That being said, I have an unfavorable view of Muslims in GENERAL (note I did NOT say all Muslims), and I wish we'd stop bending over backwards to ensure we "accomidate" them in "this time of crisis". Alot of Middle-eastern Muslims will not return the favor when it comes to "accomidating" minority religions in THEIR countries, so I say that we should look for them to observe the golden rule FIRST.
He's been booted. He threatened my life, literally.
Sure. You're not Islamic, therefore, you are likely to be okay.
Make no mistake: many of us feel the same way about our own "religion" unfortunately. Spirituality is a different matter.
I hope and pray that everyone in this country regardless of religion pulls together and fights back against these madmen....
Thanks Laz. Does it help that I'm part of the VRWC propaganda machinery?
You've been doing extra-credit work! Of course you'll get an 'A'. :o)
I was at an Antiwar protest today, in Austin. A Pakistani Muslim handed me a pamphlet to come listen to discussions on Islam, Muslims, and the Recent Events. It's tomorrow at the University of Texas. Can you help me ask some intelligent questions, if I go?
After a bit of discussion, I did mention to him that I would believe that Islam was peaceful if the Muslim people in our country would rise up and be adamant about their denouncement of the terrorist acts. I said until then, I didn't believe their remorse.
By the way, I'm Middle Eastern also.
Thanks again for your thoughts.
Do you believe the theory that Bin Laden's game plan is to see Saudia Arabia, Egypt and Jordan turn to Fundamental Islamic cleric rulers? I hear he is eager to become the new ruler of Saudia Arabia.
Sounds like you then orginally from either from Isreal or Iran..
Here's a few examples:
IslamiCity Poll - 65% think an FBI raid of a Muslim ISP was due to "zionists at work"
45% agree with suicide bombers in the Palestinian territories
Arabia.com - 33% think Israel was behind the 9/11 attack (13% think it was Arab groups)
If we go to war with those countries, they'll fall apart, which is exactly what Usama wants.
Then we have two options: To put in a repressive military dictator, or to allow Usama's buddies to take over, which is exactly what Usama wants.
If we do put in the military dictator, we'll have to defend him for decades in the UN. If we don't, we'll have permanent terrorist states where people are extremely poor and care about nothing other than the Jihad, which is exactly what Usama wants.
The only way we can win is to convince them to join us in our campaign against terror. But they won't really join us, at best they'll give us lukewarm support, arrest a few terrorists but give the rest a free hand. Then we're back to square one.
We've already lost this "war on terrorism," the only way we can "win" is to let loose the nukes and just eliminate all of them. Genocide is the only simple solution to this. (I'm not advocating that, I'm just saying it's the only solution. I think we'll just have to live with the problem, and beef up our own intelligence)
Then what will happen? No more grand-scale attacks, but leaderless resistance, where an American Muslim one day picks up a shotgun and guns down eight people before turning it on himself. If we take all the guns away, he'll drive a car into a crowded bus stop.
He won't be taking orders from the terrorist leaders--he'll be taking inspiration. Short of stopping radical muslims from getting their message out at all (which would mean heavily monitoring mosques and ripping up the 1st amendment), these attacks would continue. They will terrorize us like Israel is being terrorized. Any hate crimes against Muslims will only turn the majority of them against the rest of us.
Then we will have to decide whether or not to expel/intern all Muslims for the crimes of a few. This will put us at odds with the Muslim world, which is exactly what Usama wants.
sorry to post such a pessimistic message, but that's my assessment.
I'm afraid we're on the verge of WWIII. I'm also concerned about the Russian, Chinese elements in all this. My meager understanding is that almost all countries in the world, have major concerns about their radical Islamic populations. This is getting eerie.
Yikes. I was wondering what got him booted off 'terminally.'
He constantly reminded us that we should not take this country for granted. He believed our way of life was a RARE achievement for mankind.
Thanks for your kind words. :-)
Russia has a problem mostly with the separatists, not Muslims in Russia proper, although that population is growing, I believe. China has only a small problem with them, I think they'll easily be able to keep it under control in the short run. They might even support Muslims abroad, to 1)get them to leave China alone and 2)make trouble for the rest of us. My greatest fear is that China will weaken, and Islamism will fill the vacuum left by Communism as it collapses. As China collapsed, it would attempt to rally its people in an atheist holy war against Islam, which could be incredibly bloody.
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