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Resentful west spurned Sudan's key terror files (Gobs of info offered on Terrorists)
The Observer International ^ | September 30, 2001

Posted on 09/30/2001 3:50:21 AM PDT by Aerial

Security chiefs on both sides of the Atlantic repeatedly turned down the chance to acquire a vast intelligence database on Osama bin Laden and more than 200 leading members of his al-Qaeda terrorist network in the years leading up to the 11 September attacks, an Observer investigation has revealed.

They were offered thick files, with photographs and detailed biographies of many of his principal cadres, and vital information about al-Qaeda's financial interests in many parts of the globe.

On two separate occasions, they were given an opportunity to extradite or interview key bin Laden operatives who had been arrested in Africa because they appeared to be planning terrorist atrocities.

None of the offers, made regularly from the start of 1995, was taken up. One senior CIA source admitted last night: 'This represents the worst single intelligence failure in this whole terrible business. It is the key to the whole thing right now. It is reasonable to say that had we had this data we may have had a better chance of preventing the attacks.'

He said the blame for the failure lay in the 'irrational hatred' the Clinton administration felt for the source of the proffered intelligence - Sudan, where bin Laden and his leading followers were based from 1992-96. He added that after a slow thaw in relations which began last year, it was only now that the Sudanese information was being properly examined for the first time.

Last weekend, a key meeting took place in London between Walter Kansteiner, the US Assistant Secretary of State for Africa, FBI and CIA representatives, and Yahia Hussien Baviker, the Sudanese intelligence deputy chief. However, although the intelligence channel between Sudan and the United States is now open, and the last UN sanctions against the African state have been removed, The Observer has evidence that a separate offer made by Sudanese agents in Britain to share intelligence with MI6 has been rejected. This follows four years of similar rebuffs.

'If someone from MI6 comes to us and declares himself, the next day he can be in Khartoum,' said a Sudanese government source. 'We have been saying this for years.'

Bin Laden and his cadres came to Sudan in 1992 because at that time it was one of the few Islamic countries where they did not need visas. He used his time there to build a lucrative web of legitimate businesses, and to seed a far-flung financial network - much of which was monitored by the Sudanese.

They also kept his followers under close surveillance. One US source who has seen the files on bin Laden's men in Khartoum said some were 'an inch and a half thick'.

They included photographs, and information on their families, backgrounds and contacts. Most were 'Afghan Arabs', Saudis, Yemenis and Egyptians who had fought with bin Laden against the Soviets in Afghanistan.

'We know them in detail,' said one Sudanese source. 'We know their leaders, how they implement their policies, how they plan for the future. We have tried to feed this information to American and British intelligence so they can learn how this thing can be tackled.'

In 1996, following intense pressure from Saudi Arabia and the US, Sudan agreed to expel bin Laden and up to 300 of his associates. Sudanese intelligence believed this to be a great mistake.

'There we could keep track of him, read his mail,' the source went on. 'Once we kicked him out and he went to ground in Afghanistan, he couldn't be tracked anywhere.'

The Observer has obtained a copy of a personal memo sent from Sudan to Louis Freeh, former director of the FBI, after the murderous 1998 attacks on American embassies in Kenya and Tanzania. It announces the arrest of two named bin Laden operatives held the day after the bombings after they crossed the Sudanese border from Kenya. They had cited the manager of a Khartoum leather factory owned by bin Laden as a reference for their visas, and were held after they tried to rent a flat overlooking in the US embassy in Khartoum, where they were thought to be planning an attack.

US sources have confirmed that the FBI wished to arrange their immediate extradition. However, Clinton's Secretary of State, Madeleine Albright, forbade it. She had classed Sudan as a 'terrorist state,' and three days later US missiles blasted the al-Shifa medicine factory in Khartoum.

The US wrongly claimed it was owned by bin Laden and making chemical weapons. In fact, it supplied 60 per cent of Sudan's medicines, and had contracts to make vaccines with the UN.

Even then, Sudan held the suspects for a further three weeks, hoping the US would both perform their extradition and take up the offer to examine their bin Laden database. Finally, the two men were deported to Pakistan. Their present whereabouts are unknown.

Last year the CIA and FBI, following four years of Sudanese entreaties, sent a joint investigative team to establish whether Sudan was in fact a sponsor of terrorism. Last May, it gave Sudan a clean bill of health. However, even then, it made no effort to examine the voluminous files on bin Laden.


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To: Judge Parker
Clinton never turned down a dollar. So who got the benefit of the non-action? Let's see, didn't he hit non-targets with those cruise missiles?

If that info would have hammered binLaden's bank account; and Clinton turned it down, was there some protection going on?
41 posted on 09/30/2001 8:52:00 AM PDT by SKYDRIFTER
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To: LSJohn
There's a reason some powerful people in the intelligence community didn't want to be in possession of it. The only rational (rational, but evil) reason I can come up with is that the decision maker[s] didn't want certain members of our own intelligence community to know who these people are/were because those certain members can't/couldn't be trusted to keep their mouths shut.

And who else do we know has an active presence in the Sudan? Does not pursuing Islamic radicals in the Sudan benefit China, by any chance?

42 posted on 09/30/2001 9:02:38 AM PDT by independentmind
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To: LSJohn; aristeides
LSJohn wrote: The only rational (rational, but evil) reason I can come up with is that the decision maker[s] didn't want certain members of our own intelligence community to know who these people are/were because those certain members can't/couldn't be trusted to keep their mouths shut.

From the Article: They included photographs, and information on their families, backgrounds and contacts. Most were 'Afghan Arabs', Saudis, Yemenis and Egyptians who had fought with bin Laden against the Soviets in Afghanistan.

The rational reason for not wanting the Sudanese dossiers is that the CIA and MI6 already had the information.

43 posted on 09/30/2001 9:24:18 AM PDT by Lessismore
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To: Aerial
Is this the Twilight Zone or what?

No it's called the Clinton Administration.
They murdered Vince Foster.
They murdered Ron Brown.
They threatened Kathleen Willey's life.
They discredited Juanita Broadrick.
They smeared Jennifer Flowers.
They gave China our most sophisticated ICBM guidance technology in exchange for campaign contributions.
They gave China our most sophisticated multiple re-entry warhead technology for campaign contributions.
He told the MTV kids that our forefathers were a bunch of radicals with radical ideas.
He told the MTV kids that too much freedom is dangerous and freedom needs to be curtailed.
He "promised" that we would only be in Bosnia for one year.
He lied to a Grand Jury.
And on and on and on....

9/11 is nothing. Won't even be a footnote when the "Legacy" has finally played out. I've been saying for over a year that their legacy will ultimately take billions, not millions, billions of lives. Believe it!

44 posted on 09/30/2001 9:42:34 AM PDT by TigersEye
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To: TigersEye
I believe.
45 posted on 09/30/2001 9:45:06 AM PDT by .30Carbine
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To: Judge Parker
Sudan - the new stomping ground of team player John Danforth, appointed by the Bush administration.
46 posted on 09/30/2001 10:03:00 AM PDT by Tymesup
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To: Aerial Travis McGee
Analogy from me , albeit poor .........Sadly just as if a medical lab cures cancer they are unemployed and donations to cure cancer stop. Now, just as Counterrorist and Intelligence Agencies depend on a threat for "income" well I'm of the opinion they and the socialist's within goobermint will always do a half assed job so they can keep theirs per se......

Wack opinion on my part ???, maybe...... but then who'd have ever thought we'd see what we did this month........

Ya'll Stay Safe...

47 posted on 09/30/2001 10:10:59 AM PDT by Squantos
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To: Lessismore
The rational reason for not wanting the Sudanese dossiers is that the CIA and MI6 already had the information.

That would be a rational reason for not investing great resources in trying to obtain it, but not for rejecting it when offered. You accept it, review it, see whether it adds to your knowledge/understanding (but I agree with you that they already knew most of it.)

Refusing to accept it is powerful evidence of evil intent on the part of the decision-makers, whoever they were, and I'm not willing to assume it was only Clinton

48 posted on 09/30/2001 10:42:52 AM PDT by LSJohn
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To: Judge Parker
Thanks. Clinton's "irrational hatred" is more like covering up for his buddies. He didn't want anyone looking into any of this. He was in cahoots with anyone who could be used to harm this country, or our interests.
50 posted on 09/30/2001 1:01:09 PM PDT by monkeywrench
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To: LSJohn
Thanks for the flag but I already knew we could blame everything on Bill Clinton.

Regards, guy.

51 posted on 09/30/2001 2:31:56 PM PDT by Askel5
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To: all
bttt
52 posted on 09/30/2001 6:51:14 PM PDT by Rockpile
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To: Aerial, aristeides, OKCSubmariner, Ol' Dan Tucker, Boyd
In 1996, following intense pressure from Saudi Arabia and the US, Sudan agreed to expel bin Laden and up to 300 of his associates. Sudanese intelligence believed this to be a great mistake.

'There we could keep track of him, read his mail,' the source went on. 'Once we kicked him out and he went to ground in Afghanistan, he couldn't be tracked anywhere.'

I'm not sure whether this is true. Why didn't they off him when they could "read his mail"?

53 posted on 09/30/2001 7:34:01 PM PDT by Fred Mertz
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To: poweqi
I used to think that the United States was strong enough to survivive 8 years of a Marxist traitor as President. It scares me to death to think that I was wrong. It pisses me off to think of the media that suported him. Americans can make great political decisions if given the truth. This article makes me feel nauseous. I have always said that clinton should be dangeling from the end of a rope. The treasonous acts just keep on showing up.
54 posted on 09/30/2001 8:25:37 PM PDT by glf
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To: aristeides
I have an opinion of Clinton that is lower than whale shit. But if what you said proved to be true then I could not express my thoughts without the possibility of going to prison.
55 posted on 09/30/2001 8:32:23 PM PDT by glf
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To: glf
Profanity isn't welcome here. Sh*t is authorized; do you see the difference?

You need to be careful about writing your true feelings. I'm just trying to help you out here.

56 posted on 09/30/2001 8:37:39 PM PDT by Fred Mertz
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To: zog
FUCK YOU !!
57 posted on 09/30/2001 8:39:13 PM PDT by glf
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To: TigersEye
ABSOLUTELY CORRECT !!!
58 posted on 09/30/2001 8:44:07 PM PDT by glf
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