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*** Psychological Warfare ***
self | 09/28/01 | Jefferson Adams

Posted on 09/30/2001 4:00:59 PM PDT by Jefferson Adams

I believe that the United States Armed Forces should employ psychological warfare in the current situation in the mideast. Terrorism is, after all, essentially psych-ops. And we are at war.

In war, we should fight to win. And that includes using tactics that will terrorize the enemy.

While it may sound silly or, at the least, strange at first glance, what I propose cuts to the heart of the belief system of our enemies.

While I hold nothing against Islamic people as a whole, the fact that the people who perpetrated the atrocity on 11 September 2001 are radical Islamics is something that is part of the equation, wheteher we like it or not, and as such, their beliefs can be used against them in warfare, if we truly want to win this war and at the same time make sure that no one else will ever again try such depravity on American soil.

I propose that the United States Armed Forces, by whatever means is available - leaflets, radio, word-of-mouth, etc. - notify the Islamic world in the mideast that we are going to use pig fat and other body parts in our weapons.

People of the Islamic faith hold pigs in extreme disregard. I don't think it's farfetched to imagine that the thought of being killed by an American bullet dipped in pig fat would terrorize the terrorists against whom we are waging this war. They may even believe that if they died as a result of such a wound that they would not be able to enter Paradise.

Is the United States government willing to use such psychological warfare? Probably not. And more's the pity, because it would be a POWERFUL weapon against our enemies.

Think about it.



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1 posted on 09/30/2001 4:00:59 PM PDT by Jefferson Adams
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To: Jeff Head;Travis McGee;harpseal;squantos
What do you all think?
2 posted on 09/30/2001 4:07:55 PM PDT by Jefferson Adams
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To: Jefferson Adams
bump
3 posted on 09/30/2001 4:09:22 PM PDT by Jefferson Adams
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To: Jefferson Adams

4 posted on 09/30/2001 4:10:16 PM PDT by Jefferson Adams
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To: Jefferson Adams
I propose that the United States Armed Forces, by whatever means is available - leaflets, radio, word-of-mouth, etc. - notify the Islamic world in the mideast that we are going to use pig fat and other body parts in our weapons.

Unless we want them to think we're going to war with all of Islam, this is a BAD idea.

5 posted on 09/30/2001 4:10:51 PM PDT by xm177e2
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To: Jefferson Adams
All Americans should consider wearing cammo--- Show our enemy that we are all soldiers.
6 posted on 09/30/2001 4:13:34 PM PDT by Lexington Green
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To: Jefferson Adams
I have nothing against attacks like this, except that for now, I'd like us to reserve every pound of lifting capacity of our bomber fleet to carry high explosives, not pig fat. Later, we can go through, round up surviving terrorists and do as the British used to do: wrap them in a pig skin before standing them up in front of a firing squad. That was also very effective.
7 posted on 09/30/2001 4:17:28 PM PDT by LibWhacker
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To: xm177e2
Unless we want them to think we're going to war with all of Islam, this is a BAD idea.

Why is that? They ARE Islamic. The leaflets and radio and so on can explain that we don't consider all Islamic people to be our enemies, but that we DO intend for the terrorists and the people behind them to in no way go to meet Allah. They don't deserve to. Most Islamics would agree.

8 posted on 09/30/2001 4:17:30 PM PDT by Jefferson Adams
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To: Jefferson Adams
"PSYCHOLOGICAL WARFARE"

Remember, Yogi said "90% of the game is half mental."

Go Yogi, Go George go. Screw with their minds!

9 posted on 09/30/2001 4:17:55 PM PDT by TRY ONE
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To: LibWhacker
I have nothing against attacks like this, except that for now, I'd like us to reserve every pound of lifting capacity of our bomber fleet to carry high explosives, not pig fat.

Cool. Wouldn't take much. There's probably already pig stuff in the food are guys are eating anyway - just have 'em dip the tips of a few bullets in the Pork MREs, while taking photos of them doing it.

10 posted on 09/30/2001 4:20:05 PM PDT by Jefferson Adams
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To: Lexington Green
All Americans should consider wearing cammo--- Show our enemy that we are all soldiers.

LOL - ummm, I think they know that. So were the Spetznaz that they defeated.

11 posted on 09/30/2001 4:20:58 PM PDT by Jefferson Adams
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To: Jefferson Adams
Bad idea,what about our Muslim Allies?
12 posted on 09/30/2001 4:21:36 PM PDT by tet68
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To: TRY ONE
Go George go. Screw with their minds!

Absolutely.

14 posted on 09/30/2001 4:21:43 PM PDT by Jefferson Adams
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To: tet68
Bad idea,what about our Muslim Allies?

We won't be shooting them. I doubt that they want our mutual enemy to go to Paradise either.

15 posted on 09/30/2001 4:22:51 PM PDT by Jefferson Adams
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To: Jefferson Adams
Some suggestions from others here--which I really like:

- Get one of those "Super Scooper" fire-fighting aircraft. Fill it with pigs blood and saturate the Kaa'ba in Mecca.

- Remove the islamic Mosque from the Dome of the Rock in Jerusalem...scrub the rock so no trace of the Mosque can be found..strew the site with pig and dog carcasses.

Just for starters...just to get their attention.

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I figure all the "extremists" will immediately die of brain embolisms. The rest will become extremists--and we know how to deal with them.

--Boris

16 posted on 09/30/2001 4:23:50 PM PDT by boris
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To: one_particular_harbour
It'd foul the barrel and burn on weird. I wouldn't want to clean a rifle with scorched lard in it.

OK, so only do it with SOME bullets and let the enemy try to guess which ones.

17 posted on 09/30/2001 4:23:51 PM PDT by Jefferson Adams
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To: Jefferson Adams
I've got 1/2 inch bullets, dipped in bacon grease ready to be launched from on of these..
18 posted on 09/30/2001 4:27:01 PM PDT by Joe 6-pack
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To: boris
I figure all the "extremists" will immediately die of brain embolisms.

LOL - you're probably right < g >

We need to understand in this country what we're up against this time around. These people are dedicated and committed. They WILL NOT STOP with their attacks on us until and unless we

a) kill ALL of them (unlikely)

-or-

b) convince them to stop because it's not worth it for them, the price is just too high

I think that this would work, and far more effectively than just sending thousands of American troops to die in the rarified atmosphere of the Afghan mountains.

19 posted on 09/30/2001 4:27:47 PM PDT by Jefferson Adams
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To: Jefferson Adams
Perhaps we should smear pig entrails on cockpit doors in all jetliners - that should keep potential terrorists out of there...
20 posted on 09/30/2001 4:28:09 PM PDT by NittanyLion
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To: Joe 6-pack
I've got 1/2 inch bullets, dipped in bacon grease ready to be launched from on of these..

Been dipping some of my own, for use in my AR-15 if it ever comes here.

Doesn't have to be every round - just think of them as piggy tracers.

21 posted on 09/30/2001 4:29:51 PM PDT by Jefferson Adams
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To: Jefferson Adams
If they're worried about famine in the event of attack, I say we air-drop Spam...
23 posted on 09/30/2001 4:32:15 PM PDT by Keith in Iowa
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To: tet68
You mean like Saudi Arabia, Egypt, and the other members of the new Iranian Axis?

Our only Arab "allies" are fat princes who shuttle between desert palaces and Swiss resorts. I'm guessing they'll be spending more time at the latter in the coming years.

24 posted on 09/30/2001 4:33:23 PM PDT by cicero's_son
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To: one_particular_harbour
That said, I tend to think we shouldn't worry about the sensitivity of any moslem state that doesn't back us 100%. Blow the f***ers up.

Yep.

25 posted on 09/30/2001 4:34:11 PM PDT by Jefferson Adams
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To: one_particular_harbour
They, and ALL terrorists, need to understand that Americans can be just as ruthless as they are. They view us as fat, dumb and happy, not to mention anathema.

This would change their minds.

26 posted on 09/30/2001 4:36:03 PM PDT by Jefferson Adams
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To: Jefferson Adams
This has been done at another time in another place, according to the story which has been repeated here about General Pershing in the Philippines. Today? That's another story. It's inconceivable that today's sensitivity trained multicultural military would ever consider such an idea. We're too advanced, too cultured, see? What is being considered by the gummint geniuses, according to one report I've read, are leaflets promising the populace food stamps, or more generally, a modern welfare state! (I wonder if pictures of the Bronx are included!) Now, don't misunderstand - this is to entice these savages and not, as you and I would think, to threaten them. How's that for psychological warfare?
27 posted on 09/30/2001 4:44:39 PM PDT by Revolting cat!
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To: Jefferson Adams
Use your imagination. Psyops have probably considered things we won't think of in our worst nightmare.

Swine do have their uses.....

28 posted on 09/30/2001 5:10:26 PM PDT by martian_22
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To: Revolting cat!
Today? That's another story. It's inconceivable that today's sensitivity trained multicultural military would ever consider such an idea. We're too advanced, too cultured, see? What is being considered by the gummint geniuses, according to one report I've read, are leaflets promising the populace food stamps, or more generally, a modern welfare state!

And that's why, most likely, tens of thousands of American young men are about to die. We can't play hardball anymore. And if we don't, against this brand of enemy, we WILL lose.

29 posted on 09/30/2001 5:20:35 PM PDT by Jefferson Adams
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To: PSYOP
PING
30 posted on 09/30/2001 5:21:13 PM PDT by CheneyChick
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To: martian_22
Psyops have probably considered things we won't think of in our worst nightmare.

But will the people in command allow those nightmares to be used? I certainly hope so. Myself, if I was in the military, I and all my fellow soldiers would be doing what I suggested.

And to any of the enemy that read this website - you can be assured that America's young men are willing and able to do what I've suggested, whether they get orders to do so or not. Count on it. They get Free Republic too.

31 posted on 09/30/2001 5:24:01 PM PDT by Jefferson Adams
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To: NittanyLion
I actually would like to test the Pig theory at a local Mosque. Would like to videotape reaction of letting a piglet into the building on a Friday. Hey..if not anything else it would be a riot! Maybe some raw bacon wrapped around car door handles? Jeez... it sounds so harmless to me.
32 posted on 09/30/2001 5:31:07 PM PDT by nagdt
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To: Jefferson Adams
I like it. It'd be cost effective too. We wouldn't actually have to do it, just say we are. They've got half of the US running around scared of biological or chemical warfare and they haven't done anything yet. Just the thought of it is enough to send us running to buy a gas mask. An announcement that US bombs and bullets are lubricated with bacon grease should send them into a panic at least as high as the one we're going through.
33 posted on 09/30/2001 6:02:25 PM PDT by terilyn
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To: terilyn
An announcement that US bombs and bullets are lubricated with bacon grease should send them into a panic at least as high as the one we're going through.

Yep. And like you said, way cost effective :)

34 posted on 09/30/2001 6:21:35 PM PDT by Jefferson Adams
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To: martian_22
Use your imagination. Psyops have probably considered things we won't think of in our worst nightmare.

Pigs will eat anything, including terrorist. Flyers dropped depicting pigs consuming terrorists may cause a ruckus in allah land. Then set up a cottage industry selling pig manure to Israeli farmers for fertilizer. We have the technology and funds, do we have the will? Terrorist = Pig $hi+

35 posted on 09/30/2001 6:35:57 PM PDT by TightSqueeze
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To: Jefferson Adams
"Is the United States government willing to use such psychological warfare? Probably not. And more's the pity, because it would be a POWERFUL weapon against our enemies."

First of all, if the US did do something like this, they wouldn't "announce" it. Second, it'd be a rumor. Third, you'd never hear about it.

Regards.

36 posted on 09/30/2001 6:43:02 PM PDT by Clinton's a liar
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To: TightSqueeze
We have the technology and funds, do we have the will?

:)

37 posted on 09/30/2001 6:43:52 PM PDT by Jefferson Adams
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To: TightSqueeze
Dude! That's nasty!

Don't forget to submit that form in triplicate.

38 posted on 09/30/2001 6:44:07 PM PDT by martian_22
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To: Jefferson Adams
Supposing we did that, I bet the immediate response of the Muslim clerics would be to say that being shot by American bullets dipped in hog fat would not in any way affect your after life and that Allah would in fact be more pleased if you offered yourself up on the sacrifice of faith-that no amount of pork fat would detract from that supreme honor of killing the infidels. Remember that amny, if not most, of the fighters the Taliban employs can not even read the Koran and that their only knowledge of Islam is from these clerics. It would be very simple to discount the affects of your phsyc attack. if we were dealing with a population that coould read and study the Koran for themselves, it might work, but as it is I seriously doubt it.
39 posted on 09/30/2001 6:51:08 PM PDT by Cleburne
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To: Jefferson Adams
". . . an American bullet dipped in pig fat . . ."

This is standard procedure already. For the sake of the PC crowd, however, it has not been announced publicly. Thank you for bringing it to our attention, sir.

40 posted on 09/30/2001 7:01:09 PM PDT by Fester Chugabrew
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To: martian_22
Dude! That's nasty! Don't forget to submit that form in triplicate.

LOL - yeah, several months later they might get around to it.

But seriously, folks - this one WOULD be a winner.

41 posted on 09/30/2001 7:10:14 PM PDT by Jefferson Adams
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To: Fester Chugabrew
This is standard procedure already. For the sake of the PC crowd, however, it has not been announced publicly. Thank you for bringing it to our attention, sir.

Well, I *KNOW* that we do it already, but I just thought it would be more effective if EVERYBODY KNEW about it.

Thanks :)

42 posted on 09/30/2001 7:12:33 PM PDT by Jefferson Adams
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To: Jefferson Adams
Then there is my personal favorite:

NAPIG!!!

43 posted on 09/30/2001 7:34:24 PM PDT by StriperSniper
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To: Jefferson Adams
I'm not an expert in this.

Check freepmail please.

44 posted on 09/30/2001 8:31:01 PM PDT by Travis McGee
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To: xm177e2
"Unless we want them to think we're going to war with all of Islam, this is a BAD idea."

Frankly, I don't give two s#its about what they think, so long as they cower in terror, and die.

WTF is this Sudden Sensitivity about what the damned enemy "thinks" about us?

45 posted on 09/30/2001 8:35:30 PM PDT by Don Joe
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To: tet68
"Bad idea,what about our Muslim Allies?"

If they're our allies, they'll stay out of the line of fire, won't they.

46 posted on 09/30/2001 8:37:36 PM PDT by Don Joe
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To: Don Joe
WTF is this Sudden Sensitivity about what the damned enemy "thinks" about us?

Because, right now, not all Muslims are our enemy, that's what Bush has decided, so he wants to keep them happy.

Even if we were going to war with Muslims in general, I would not be in favor of desecrating them, I think we're above that.

47 posted on 09/30/2001 8:41:51 PM PDT by xm177e2
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To: Harrowup; chapita; amom; Razorback-Bert;
To quote Freeper amom, OPERATION PETUNIA is going strong!
48 posted on 09/30/2001 8:45:56 PM PDT by Yellow Rose of Texas
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To: xm177e2
"Even if we were going to war with Muslims in general, I would not be in favor of desecrating them, I think we're above that."

Sir, if I was ever to be forced to go to war against anyone, I would prefer it to be you, or someone like you.

There's nothing like an adversary who's more concerned with observing the Marquis of Queensbury rules and Miss Manners than he is with defeating me.

You'd make the ideal adversary.

How sad that you're on our side...

49 posted on 09/30/2001 8:50:55 PM PDT by Don Joe
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To: Jefferson Adams
Hey, where have you been?

We've been talking about this for a few weeks now!

HOW TO DEFEAT ISLAMIC TERRORISM WORLDWIDE

50 posted on 09/30/2001 9:26:25 PM PDT by Stallone
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