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Honolulu-Bound Flight Diverted After Crew Discovers Box Cutter
The Associated Press ^ | AP-ES-09-30-01 2214EDT | The Associated Press

Posted on 09/30/2001 7:46:10 PM PDT by TheOtherOne

Honolulu-Bound Flight Diverted After Crew Discovers Box Cutter
The Associated Press
Published: Sep 30, 2001

LOS ANGELES (AP) - An American Airlines pilot made an unscheduled landing Sunday after crew members found a box cutter left on the plane by a catering employee.

Flight attendants found the box cutter in a food cart about 90 minutes after the plane departed from Dallas, said American Airlines spokesman John Hotard.

The captain decided to land the Honolulu-bound plane, carrying 220 people, in Los Angeles so every passenger could be screened again. About 3 1/4 hours later, the plane resumed its trip to Hawaii, said airport spokeswoman Nancy Castles.

The box cutter was imprinted with the name of the airline's caterer, Sky Chef. Airline officials called the company, and an employee said he had inadvertently left the knife on the cart.

"There's no big deal here," Hotard said. "It's just a guy who forgot his box cutter."

The terrorists who hijacked airplanes Sept. 11 apparently used box cutters and other small blades in their carryon baggage to take control of the jets.

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1 posted on 09/30/2001 7:46:10 PM PDT by TheOtherOne
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To: TheOtherOne
Understatement of the year:

"There's no big deal here," Hotard (American Airline spokesman) said. "It's just a guy who forgot his box cutter."

2 posted on 09/30/2001 7:48:28 PM PDT by TheOtherOne
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To: TheOtherOne
If we keep on like this, the terrorists have WON.
3 posted on 09/30/2001 7:49:30 PM PDT by Illbay
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To: TheOtherOne
I'm curious about something. Are hand mirrors or mirrored compacts also banned? I'm flying soon and curious about this. I mean, break one and it makes a great weapon. If I find myself on a plane in a hijack situation, I'm not going down without implanting half my mirror in someone.
4 posted on 09/30/2001 7:50:17 PM PDT by hispanarepublicana
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To: Illbay
Paranoia will destroy ya!
5 posted on 09/30/2001 7:50:48 PM PDT by freedom4ever
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To: TheOtherOne
All your box cutters are belong to us!
6 posted on 09/30/2001 7:51:52 PM PDT by Rome2000
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To: TheOtherOne
More paranoid thoughts: They should check the bathrooms on the planes and past the security gates for weapons too. Somebody could tape one in there like they did in The Godfather.
7 posted on 09/30/2001 7:53:59 PM PDT by vikingchick
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To: hispanarepublicana
Are hand mirrors or mirrored compacts also banned?

Yes, you now have to use a bowl (unbreakable plastic) full of water to look at yourself.;-)

8 posted on 09/30/2001 7:54:51 PM PDT by StriperSniper
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To: vikingchick
Correct. There's little doubt that the terrorists have infiltrated the airline catering and cleaning companies.
9 posted on 09/30/2001 7:55:25 PM PDT by clintonh8r
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To: TheOtherOne
This is absolute lunacy. Has everyone gone completely insane???????
10 posted on 09/30/2001 7:56:31 PM PDT by zeugma
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To: TheOtherOne
What's going to happen when someone discovers on a flight that a box of in-flight meals, napkins, or something wasn't sliced open before takeoff?
11 posted on 09/30/2001 7:56:36 PM PDT by supercat
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To: clintonh8r
The only plane that can be hijacked with box cutters now is one filled with people going to the Quadriplegic Convention. We KNOW BETTER now. The old script is GONE. The first guy who stands up and starts talking about hijacking will be lucky if he isn't strangled by someone's belt before he gets the first sentence entirely out. If I've got shoelaces, my cane, a blanket....
12 posted on 09/30/2001 7:59:04 PM PDT by ChemistCat
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To: TheOtherOne
...."There's no big deal here," Hotard said. "It's just a guy who forgot his box cutter."......

Under what rock has this American Airlines employee been hiding for the last twenty days? Not only is this remark insensitive it shows a complete disdain for the heightened state of alert that we all find ourselves this last few weeks.

Does this guy really deserve a job as a SPOKESMAN? He is a public relations nightmare!

The Tarheel

13 posted on 09/30/2001 7:59:23 PM PDT by Tarheel
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To: TheOtherOne
Well now we know who put box cutters on planes. Do I trust that employee? No way.
14 posted on 09/30/2001 7:59:30 PM PDT by dalebert
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To: TheOtherOne
Perhaps they should screen their EMPLOYEES????!
15 posted on 09/30/2001 7:59:53 PM PDT by RasterMaster
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To: Rome2000
LOL
16 posted on 09/30/2001 8:00:55 PM PDT by Eric Esot
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To: hispanarepublicana
Haven't thought about mirrors, but I understand that they are considering banning hot water for coffee and tea (throwing it in someones face can be a problem).

I can handle room-temp coffee, but I wouldn't want it to be served that way.

They can make weapons in prisons, I don't imagine it would be much effort to do the same with common available items and a decent nail file....
A decent can of hair spritz can blind you for a few minutes, what else --- pepper spray disguised as perfume, acrylic nails sharpened to points, hair bobs sharpened, the list goes on ad infinitum.

It's a cat and mouse game.

17 posted on 09/30/2001 8:01:15 PM PDT by fone
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To: zeugma
I think the stewardess should have just went to the front of the plane and said over the P.A. system,"Excuse me,has anyone misplaced their boxcutter?"
18 posted on 09/30/2001 8:01:32 PM PDT by mdittmar
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To: TheOtherOne
They were probably waiting for the offending box cutter to get up and attack all 220 passengers simultaneously. Oh, the horror!

If we are that afraid of box cutters, what will we do when they get a hold of a broken glass, or God forbid a car?!!!?

The stupidity of this whole thing has really ticked me off. I keep telling people, "They highjacked 4 planes with box cutters. Think of the implications of this." I usually get the answer, "But, we were taught to comply with hijackers. Thats why this happened."

Give me a break, and think for yourselves people!

Rant over, FReepers not included.

19 posted on 09/30/2001 8:02:41 PM PDT by abner
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To: TheOtherOne
Voila. "Zero Tolerance America".
20 posted on 09/30/2001 8:02:47 PM PDT by dr_who
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To: clintonh8r
I just worked at the polls with a gal who is a dispatcher for one of the companies that delivers lost luggage. She said they're spending all their efforts "upstairs" at the terminals, and they should be concentrating "downstairs." She said all but 3 of the employees at her company were Arabs except for 3 Somalis, and all are related - bothers, fathers, uncles, cousins. (These are the guys who run around from airline to airline picking up lost luggage.) I asked if they could also bring stuff IN to the bowels of the airport, and she said "easily." She also said all the baggage handlers are also Arab, also food service deliverers. I also if she would please call the FBI and tell them this... just in case they don't already know.
21 posted on 09/30/2001 8:03:39 PM PDT by holyscroller
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To: TheOtherOne
Paranoia and fear abound. If a freakin' box cutter is enough to cause a airline to land one of there planes, then it's no wonder the terrorists think they can defeat us.

If the pilots had been carrying guns, this would not have been an incident. The plane would have continued en route to Hawaii, and the feds could have done their questioning there.

22 posted on 09/30/2001 8:04:23 PM PDT by Mulder
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To: TheOtherOne
The United States is at war. Nuff said.
23 posted on 09/30/2001 8:04:40 PM PDT by SpaceBar
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To: Tarheel
Under what rock has this American Airlines employee been hiding for the last twenty days? Not only is this remark insensitive it shows a complete disdain for the heightened state of alert that we all find ourselves this last few weeks.

No,he's right. Why the hell is everybody having a bleeping hissy-fit over a damn box cutter? It's not a science fiction death ray,and it's not even easy to kill somebody with one. No way in hell is a guy with a box cutter able to hold people hostage who don't want to be held hostage.

24 posted on 09/30/2001 8:04:48 PM PDT by sneakypete
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To: dr_who
No more carry-on luggage, purses, wallets, ah shoot..lets all board naked.
25 posted on 09/30/2001 8:06:24 PM PDT by umgud
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To: Mulder
Amen Mulder. I'm sickened by this. Are we now a nation of weenies?
26 posted on 09/30/2001 8:08:47 PM PDT by zeugma
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To: abner
I actually witnessed a box cutter attack on the A train a couple of years ago. A kid made the mistake of responding to a group of "youths" taunts.

A box cutter was produced, and the unfortunate kid wound up with 4 lips instead of 2 in about 3 seconds.

Thank god for plastic surgery.

Aside from that, a box cutter wouldn't put a dent in 20 or 30 PO'D passengers.

27 posted on 09/30/2001 8:10:02 PM PDT by Rome2000
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To: zeugma
Are we now a nation of weenies?

No, half weenies.

28 posted on 09/30/2001 8:11:02 PM PDT by abner
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To: sneakypete
Exactly! The rules of the game are forever changed. Hijacking airplanes is simply not possible in today's climate without a cabin full of people who are complete and utter cretins. If that's what this country has come to, we don't deserve to be saved.
29 posted on 09/30/2001 8:11:24 PM PDT by zeugma
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To: TheOtherOne
In addition to the obvious idiocy of diverting a flight because someone left a box cutter on the airplane (hint: no one will ever successfully hijack an airliner with a box cutter for the next 20 years, at least), this also points out how stupid the banning of nail clippers and plastic knives is.

We don't even know that the hijackers brought their "weapons" through security. It is entirely possible that their box cutters were placed onboard through this very channel (caterers).

But, all this crap is just for show, anyhow. Don't think we don't know that. If they were serious about stopping terrorists, they'd let the pilots arm themselves and they'd let CCW holders carry onboard with frangible ammo.

30 posted on 09/30/2001 8:12:02 PM PDT by B Knotts
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To: umgud
Reminds me of an episode of "Spitting Image" where suddenly everyone thinks that nukes are about to be dropped on the country. The Tina Turner character jumps up and says "We can awll make luvvv!"
31 posted on 09/30/2001 8:15:04 PM PDT by dr_who
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To: Rome2000
Aside from that, a box cutter wouldn't put a dent in 20 or 30 PO'D passengers.

I'm not trying to diminish what a box cutter can do. I darned near cut of my finger a couple of years ago with an exacto knife. But, its that numbers thing, 30- 220 passengers against a guy or a few guys with box cutters is ridiculous.

32 posted on 09/30/2001 8:15:09 PM PDT by abner
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To: Tarheel
He is stating the truth. Just a box cutter. Its our FAA that is getting flustered. You might check out the boycott thread, that condems the FAA and airlines for treating us as sheep. I'm not insensitive, I'm alive and thinking.
33 posted on 09/30/2001 8:15:29 PM PDT by earplug
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To: sneakypete
"No way in hell is a guy with a box cutter able to hold people hostage who don't want to be held hostage. "

Exactly. If the terrorists on the planes that were crashed into buildings or even the one in PA....I the passenger had stopped them at the first sign of trouble then none of this would have ever happened. Of course the passengers had no way of knowing that the hijacker's had already sealed there fate. Those on the PA figured that out while talking on the phone and that was the end of there passiveness. This scheme would be a whole lot more difficult for a terrorist to implement from that day forward.

34 posted on 09/30/2001 8:16:27 PM PDT by Revel
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To: abner
...Half weenies, and at 50 cents for a half weeny. Not ten cents for a full weeny like back in the good old days. And nowadays mustard and relish are extra.
35 posted on 09/30/2001 8:18:52 PM PDT by dr_who
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To: mdittmar
I think the stewardess should have just went to the front of the plane and said over the P.A. system,"Excuse me,has anyone misplaced their boxcutter?"

Wonder what the passengers' reaction would've been? Would've gotten my arenaline going!

36 posted on 09/30/2001 8:22:36 PM PDT by skr
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To: abner
But, its that numbers thing, 30- 220 passengers against a guy or a few guys with box cutters is ridiculous.

In theory, yes.

But in reality, most people will probably just sit there since that is what they have been conditioned to do, thanks to the feminization of America. People are taught to "not take the law into their own hands", "call 911", "wait for the police", and "violence is bad"

The sudden and grotesque acts of violence committed by terrorists will paralyze most people, if they do not have a warrior mentality. By "warrior mentality", I mean being alert, aware of surroundings, calm under pressure, and mentally prepared beforehand to take violently aggressive action against the terrorists.

This irrational fear of inanimate objects like box cutters and fingernail clippers are indicitive of the fact that most Americans still lack the warrior mentality.

Of course, laws against Americans defending themselves don't help the matter at all.

So, yes, for the most part we are a nation of wimps.

37 posted on 09/30/2001 8:25:16 PM PDT by Mulder
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To: Mulder
Lets not forget the everpresent fear of lawsuits by the criminal or his family that sues if they survive.
38 posted on 09/30/2001 8:30:06 PM PDT by abner
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To: Mulder
If the pilots had been carrying guns, this would not have been an incident.

Better than that, I think the flight attendants should be armed. That way, the pilots can concentrate on flying. :-D

39 posted on 09/30/2001 8:34:05 PM PDT by NYC GOP Chick
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To: NYC GOP Chick
If I could have a gun strapped to my hip, I might fly the friendly skies as a stew. "Hey you....get back to your seat, pronto!" :)
40 posted on 09/30/2001 8:37:32 PM PDT by vikingchick
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To: hispanarepublicana
a pair of tweezers were taken as well as a set of nail clippers on a flight from CT to KY
41 posted on 09/30/2001 8:37:59 PM PDT by SAS-MS
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To: hispanarepublicana
At a conference I attended last weekend, a woman from CT said they took a 3" pair of plastic scissors (little kid type) away from her purse. And they took from the elderly woman behind her a hand mirror, with nicely engraved handle, that she'd been carrying for decades.

And they threw them away. No recourse, no discussion. The old lady was in tears.

Yep, this'll reassure and attract new customers to the airlines. Morons.

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"No big deal." Just paranoia costing a lot of people 3-1/4 hours of their lives that they'll never get back, because bureaucrats can't think to save their asses.

To hell with this attitude. Airlines need to regain some common sense before they die, and terrorists need to be killed ASAP. Period. We're Americans, dammit; this crap must stop. I have no plans to fly, and will make none, until it does.

42 posted on 09/30/2001 8:40:12 PM PDT by Hank Rearden
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To: abner
Lets not forget the everpresent fear of lawsuits by the criminal or his family that sues if they survive

Exactly.

In most states, there is a "duty to retreat" doctrine that applies to the use of force anywhere outside of your house. Failure to adhere to this could lead to criminal prosecution and or civil prosecution. This leads to a mindset of passisivity.

43 posted on 09/30/2001 8:41:17 PM PDT by Mulder
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To: Rome2000
All your box cutters are belong to us!

Somebody set us up the box!

44 posted on 09/30/2001 8:43:10 PM PDT by TexRef
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To: Mulder
Perhaps one of the new safety instructions the flight attendants should give is that all passengers are required to fire their flotation devices at the hijacker. No one would have to get too close to that box cutter and everyone with a seat cushion can participate. Not to mention that seat cushions would make a decent shield for a box cutter when closing in on the guy.

One thing though, everyone talks about the box cutters and leaves out the alleged bomb that one terrorist had. That changes the parameters to some extent, if the passengers aren't aware of any building-crashing schemes. One would have to be fairly certain that the hijacker doesn't just want to land at a different locale. One could kill an entire plane-load of people if the motive is misjudged.

45 posted on 09/30/2001 8:45:03 PM PDT by skr
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To: TheOtherOne
I'd say we are about 20 miles into Overreaction City.
46 posted on 09/30/2001 8:45:19 PM PDT by Lazamataz
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To: Mulder
If anyone paid attention to the Constitution or Bill Of Rights, over half the people on that flight would have been armed, and laughed at the boxcutter.

"A well-regulated Militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms shall not be infringed." - Second Amendment to the U.S. Constitution

Thank you for flying Liberty Airlines.
Have a safe flight!

47 posted on 09/30/2001 8:45:27 PM PDT by TERMINATTOR
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To: TheOtherOne
Terrorism in not an excuse for idiocy.
48 posted on 09/30/2001 8:47:35 PM PDT by Snuffington
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To: skr
Perhaps one of the new safety instructions the flight attendants should give is that all passengers are required to fire their flotation devices at the hijacker. No one would have to get too close to that box cutter and everyone with a seat cushion can participate.

LOL.

A simpler solution is to have the pilot, or armed passengers fire two rounds to the chest of the terrorist.

Hell, that wouldn't even interrupt the in-flight movie, if done properly.

49 posted on 09/30/2001 8:49:04 PM PDT by Mulder
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To: Lazamataz
I'd say we are about 20 miles into Overreaction City.

Just wait until they make it a federal crime to even joke about having a box cutter or bringing one on board.

50 posted on 09/30/2001 8:50:12 PM PDT by Mulder
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