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The West at War:Meeting the Enemy:We have lots of Nuclear Weapons and
The Sunday Mirror:UK ^ | October 1st, 2001 | The Sunday Mirror:UK

Posted on 10/01/2001 1:31:13 AM PDT by garyhope

THE WEST AT WAR: MEETING THE ENEMY: WE HAVE LOTS OF NUCLEAR WEAPONS AND WILL USE THEM IF WE HAVE TO, MR BLAIR

CHILLING THREAT BY THE GRINNING TALIBAN CHIEFTAIN

IT takes a fortnight and 15 fraught phone calls before the short, almost illegible, note is delivered.

I have finally been granted a meeting with Hafiz Hussain Ahmed, one of the senior figures in Afghanistan's feared Taliban regime.

An ancient taxi takes me to a run-down flat in a dusty neighbourhood of Islamabad, Pakistan.

Armed guards usher me into a small and grimy room in Flat 308. It contains a small desk with a battered copy of the Koran, a threadbare prayer mat, and a table.

At the table sits Ahmed, vice-president of the Jamiat-E-Ulama Islam, the League of Islamic Scholars. With his long beard, white robes and pleasant face he has the demeanour of an indulgent uncle. It's hard to imagine that this is a man who has fought alongside terror warlord Osama bin Laden in savage battles to drive the Russians from Afghanistan.

This is his first-ever interview with a Western journalist and he is unfailingly polite, highlighting the Muslim tradition of hospitality.

But his words betray him. As a retinue of servants pour strong Afghan quhava tea, without a trace of emotion he utters threats which will send a chill through the Western world.

For the first time a senior Taliban official claims that the regime has nuclear weapons - and is prepared to use them.

"If the US and Britain attack Afghanistan with nuclear weapons, we will respond with the same type of warfare. We will not give in. We will have no hesitation in striking back immediately. It is vital the world knows this," he says.

"We bought our nuclear weapons from the USSR when it broke up. We have a huge stockpile but I am forbidden from saying anything more. It is top secret.

"There are also Muslim-minded people in the West who have sworn they can provide us with the latest military technology. If the war starts we can call upon unlimited resources from our network of supporters across the world.

"This will be the Third World War."

As we speak, me the Western journalist in jeans and trainers, him the sworn enemy of the West in his religious robes, his voice is far removed from the hysterical tub-thumping associated with Muslim fundamentalists.

But his message is just as disturbing as he clasps his hands together, displaying a £1,000 Longines gold watch on his wrist.

"All the Muslim nations in the world will fight against the US and their allies if they attack," he says.

"In the Baluchistan province of Pakistan alone we have recruited 36,000 men. In all of Pakistan more than three million men are ready to die in the name of Allah." Ahmed, 55, who lives in a secret bunker in the Afghan capital of Kabul for six months each year, hails from the remote and mountainous province of Baluchistan, whose capital city Quetta is a hotbed of fanatical Taliban support.

His threats to the West even include a personal message for Tony Blair.

"This is a dispute between the US and Afghanistan," he says. "Tony Blair is the puppet of George W. Bush. He is meddling in a dispute which has nothing to do with him.

"I can tell you that any country which carries out attacks on Afghanistan will be subjected to revenge attacks. Yes, that includes London and other cities of the allies, no matter where they are. Mr Blair, you should listen very carefully, and think before you rush into any decision."

At this point one of Ahmed's three mobile phones - a Nokia - rings. We later learn from our translator that the call is from another high-ranking Taliban official urging him not to talk to "the Western journalist".

But he ignores the demand and returns to the cracked veneer table. I ask him if he has a message for Mr Bush and Mr Blair.

"Mr Bush, please be calm." he replies. "We are a people of peace, not of war. Afghanistan has already defeated the USSR. You are welcome to try and attack Afghanistan. By the grace of God your country will be smashed into 52 pieces.

"Mr Blair, we have no dispute with you and your government. However, if you act with the USA we will teach your nation and your soldiers a lesson you will never forget."

Asked what message he has for those who lost loved ones in the terrorist attacks in America, Ahmed, replies: "I condemn this horrific action. My heart goes out to every man, woman and child who has lost a loved one.

"I feel deep grief for their loss, but the Americans and all the rest of the world should recognise the reasons for this attack. It is because they continue to support the Jews in every conflict.

"Has not Israel been involved in terrorist atrocities in Palestine? If the US continues its policy of supporting Jews across the world, then I'll predict there will be more attacks like that in New York."

Ahmed is careful to say that "Osama", as he affectionately refers to his former partner in battle, is NOT responsible for the atrocities in New York and Washington and is no longer with the Taliban.

"We are in regular contact with Osama. I am afraid I cannot tell you when we last spoke to him, but it was in the last few days. Osama is not a terrorist. He is a kind, polite and very religious man. His only wish is for the USA forces to pull out of his beloved Saudi Arabia. I believe he has now left Afghanistan and is living in some other country."

Ahmed's boast that the Taliban has a nuclear stockpile, as the first such claim by a senior figure in the regime, will send shockwaves through the Allied forces.

Immediately after the September 11 attacks Prime Minister Tony Blair and Jack Straw told Parliament that terrorist forces might be prepared to use chemical, biological or nuclear weapons. And US Deputy Defence Secretary Paul Wolfowitz told Nato counterparts in Brussels there was an "alarming connection" between states sheltering terrorists and those trying to develop nuclear, biological and chemical weapons.

The CIA have known for 10 years that the Russian Mafia have been selling such weapons and components stolen from the former Soviet Union's arsenal.

The US government believes Osama bin Laden is already running a secret nuclear weapons laboratory inside Afghanistan, supported by Iraq's Saddam Hussein. It is designed to build a "Dirty Bomb" - which kills by spreading radioactive fallout over a wide area rather than causing an atomic explosion.


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1 posted on 10/01/2001 1:31:14 AM PDT by garyhope
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To: garyhope
Good grief, if true, the news just gets worse. OBL is crafty and I feel certain he has many contingency plans up his sleeve!
2 posted on 10/01/2001 1:38:49 AM PDT by seeker41
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To: garyhope
Bullpuckey.
3 posted on 10/01/2001 1:39:23 AM PDT by Timesink
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To: garyhope
blah blah blah, yeah let your sympathisers in the US and England act once we start destoying your country. It won't be long till all muslims are rounded up if things get out of hand then what will you do? float across the ocean on a camel to throw a rock at us?
4 posted on 10/01/2001 1:41:34 AM PDT by WolfsView
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To: garyhope
The Taliban are teetering on the edge of sanity. Some have already fallen off the edge.
5 posted on 10/01/2001 1:55:00 AM PDT by Draco
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To: garyhope
After the incredible attacks of 9-11, is there any doubt that these head cases wouldn't use nukes if they had them? Since we can't take any chances, vaporizing them first may be the only option.
6 posted on 10/01/2001 1:57:36 AM PDT by Vigilanteman
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To: garyhope
I expect a nuclear explosion some where in this country, soon.

That would wake up those in deep slumber!

7 posted on 10/01/2001 1:57:45 AM PDT by Chapita
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To: WolfsView
So when they make this a war of religons, peoples and not nations..., how can muslum nations get upset when they are targeted by US in revenge?
8 posted on 10/01/2001 2:00:20 AM PDT by Jumper
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To: Chapita
That would wake up those in deep slumber!

It's amazing to think that 9/11 didn't do the trick!

9 posted on 10/01/2001 2:01:51 AM PDT by Tom_Busch
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To: Tom_Busch
"Awwww, that was just a few crazy hijackers." No such excuse, however, for an atom bomb!
10 posted on 10/01/2001 2:09:12 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck
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To: Tom_Busch
I think California is a little 'slow.'
12 posted on 10/01/2001 2:11:29 AM PDT by piasa
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To: garyhope
These guys obviously don't understand. The U.S. could leave their country nothing but a smoking, glowing, hole that would be uninhabitable forever in a heartbeat. They would be wise not to even bring the subject of nuclear weapons up.
13 posted on 10/01/2001 2:12:12 AM PDT by agitator
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To: garyhope
These guys repeat whatever Osama tells them. They're his puppets and this is just another fabrication.
14 posted on 10/01/2001 2:23:08 AM PDT by grimalkin
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To: grimalkin
The Butcher of Baghdad (Saddam Hussein) was a similar bluster bag. Remember the Gulf War and "Tel Aviv going up in flames"?
15 posted on 10/01/2001 2:26:38 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck
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To: HiTech RedNeck
Oh yes, the "Mother of All Battles". We didn't even get to distribute all of our MREs before that war was over.
16 posted on 10/01/2001 2:35:10 AM PDT by grimalkin
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To: Tom_Busch
**************"It's amazing to think that 9/11 didn't do the trick!"*******************************************

It will take more, maybe much more, to reach the left-wing academics!

17 posted on 10/01/2001 2:49:45 AM PDT by Chapita
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To: garyhope
Don't buy it. It's the sound of a midget in desperation.
18 posted on 10/01/2001 3:38:53 AM PDT by NoControllingLegalAuthority
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To: garyhope
How reliable is the Sunday Mirror? If it's a trustworthy paper, then the above interview is justification for reducing all of Afghanistan to subatomic particles. If not, then shame on its editors for contributing to a variety of alarmism that could get an awful lot of innocent people killed!

Freedom, Wealth, and Peace,
Francis W. Porretto
Visit the Palace Of Reason: http://palaceofreason.com

19 posted on 10/01/2001 4:05:17 AM PDT by fporretto
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To: agitator
These guys obviously don't understand. The U.S. could leave their country nothing but a smoking, glowing, hole that would be uninhabitable forever in a heartbeat. They would be wise not to even bring the subject of nuclear weapons up.

I think I understand why they don't understand. They see these press reports of whiny leftists from our universities and become convinced we don't have the stomach to use nuclear weapons.

What they don't realize is that the adults in charge couldn't care less what the dingbat profs say.

Fatal error.
20 posted on 10/01/2001 4:16:58 AM PDT by cgbg
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To: Vigilanteman
After the incredible attacks of 9-11, is there any doubt that these head cases wouldn't use nukes if they had them?

Yes. Because you're committing an error in logic and tactics.

If I had these weapons, and was in their shoes, I would not use them. At least as the opening salvo.

What if they waited until US forces were on the ground?

What if they waited to use them in a counter attack, not necessarily against us, but some other nation in a design to further destabilize the situation. Say... India, for example.

There are other tactical considerations than merely opening up with your best shot...

21 posted on 10/01/2001 4:17:47 AM PDT by DAnconia55
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To: garyhope
I've been saying since the beginning, we should let it be known to all Middle Eastern governments, that if weapons of mass destruction are used against us on our soil, then Mecca and Medina will immediately become glass parking lots. These people are crazed fanatics and only understand force.
22 posted on 10/01/2001 4:38:06 AM PDT by FreedomPoster
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To: DAnconia55
Agreed. This depends on how many nukes, if any, they actually have. My point is that if they have them, given the events of 9-11, they would not hesitate to use them. Therefore, if they have them, we are perfectly justified in making a pre-emptive strike.

Trivia question-- the U.S. produced four nuclear devices in 1945. One was tested in New Mexico. Two were dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki. What happend to the 4th?

23 posted on 10/01/2001 4:41:42 AM PDT by Vigilanteman
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To: garyhope
ya think this's why we've heard 'bout no action by U.S.?
NOBODY is asking why we stopped weapons inspections of saddam a few years back!!!!what was it, he threatened trouble or sumptn, if we insisted on inspectin???
24 posted on 10/01/2001 5:14:31 AM PDT by 1234
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To: FreedomPoster
I agree. This is exactly what I think and that this is what Bush should or should have told all of the middle Eastern countries about and then shown them the targeting information on all of their cities and facilities so that they know it's for real.
26 posted on 10/01/2001 10:16:26 AM PDT by garyhope
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To: Chapita
Will there still be "peace" demostrators after that? Will they still want to have a "dialog" with the poor misunderstood Islamic fundamentalists? What will the "liberals" say or "feel"?
27 posted on 10/01/2001 10:25:16 AM PDT by garyhope
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To: garyhope
"This will be the Third World War."

You know what? Deal.

I'd rather see all of humanity exterminated than to see these towel-headed freaks allowed to exist.

28 posted on 10/01/2001 10:28:56 AM PDT by Lazamataz
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To: FreedomPoster
I've been saying since the beginning, we should let it be known to all Middle Eastern governments, that if weapons of mass destruction are used against us on our soil, then Mecca and Medina will immediately become glass parking lots.

An airliner filled with fuel IS a weapon of mass destruction. I say we let the missiles fly NOW.

29 posted on 10/01/2001 10:30:54 AM PDT by Lazamataz
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To: garyhope
Lest anyone forget, this is a war of annihilation. These bellicose, blaspheming diaperheads need war to distract their sheeple from the doom within their own societies.

This decade will record the largest self-inflicted destruction in human history. Jihadocracies will be proven the worst form of government. The SOBs who started this war 11 September 2001 will perish among the forgotten millions lost in the dust.

They only have a prayer as we should show no mercy. This festering evil must be wiped from the face of our earth.

30 posted on 10/01/2001 10:31:08 AM PDT by SevenDaysInMay
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To: garyhope
We are in regular contact with Osama. I am afraid I cannot tell you when we last spoke to him, but it was in the last few days. Osama is not a terrorist. He is a kind, polite and very religious man. His only wish is for the USA forces to pull out of his beloved Saudi Arabia. I believe he has now left Afghanistan and is living in some other country."

The above already establishes this creep as a liar. Still, we don't know for sure if there is an element of truth in what he says. I sincerely hope GW has the balls to reign nuclear terror on ALL muslim states that support terrorism in the event they make good on their promise. It may be the only way to end this epic evil in this world.

31 posted on 10/01/2001 10:35:59 AM PDT by WRhine
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To: Vigilanteman
The nuclear material for the 4th device was used as "Crossroads Able" I believe. The original casing, electronics, etc., were dissassembled and stored at Roswell, NM until Gen. Curt LeMay came out and raised hell about the non-readiness of the "arsenal" which I believe at that time 1946 was about 11 weapons, stored disassembled.

Close?

Greg

32 posted on 10/01/2001 10:40:29 AM PDT by gwmoore
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To: FreedomPoster
I've been saying since the beginning, we should let it be known to all Middle Eastern governments, that if weapons of mass destruction are used against us on our soil, then Mecca and Medina will immediately become glass parking lots. These people are crazed fanatics and only understand force.

Agree, but I would include the entire Middle East Region, every last country except Israel and perhaps Jordan. If it comes down to this, we have to get em all because any survivors will come back after us in the decades to come. We didn't start this conflict, they did, and the future existence of the Arab states rests with their ability to shut down their own terrorist networks. Not to do can only signify that they support the actions of THEIR terrorists.

33 posted on 10/01/2001 10:47:46 AM PDT by WRhine
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To: DAnconia55; all
This thought occurred to me today as I was sitting here and seeing nothing happening:

If you put yourself in Osama's shoes, he really has no legitimate reason to nuke the USA. From a strategic point of view he is better off using the nuke(s) he has in Afghanistan.

Keep in mind his REAL objective isn't killing Americans for the sake of killing Americans. What he wants is a Muslim revolution that turns the clock back to the great Muslim expansion of the middle ages. He wants the west out of the Muslim World. He wants to rid the muslim world of the Kings and so forth that generally are friendly to the West. How does he accomplish this?

Well, he knows that the muslims are generally suspicious and paranoid about the USA and Israel. He knows that while they generally will not join together in a jihad because of local differences/interests, they share one thing above all, namely their religion. It has been said many times that this isn't to be a "war" of Islam v. Christianity, although that is EXACTLY WHAT HE NEEDS if he is to accomplish his goal.

How do nuclear weapons accomplish this? Before moving to that analyze the WTC attack. Why did he do something that big? Something that we could not ignore? The only logical Answer is to draw us out. But why draw us out if the military might of the US and the whole world will end up crushing him? Surely he realizes that in the end he can't beat us by simply picking off even thousands of civilians at a time? He needs to get ISLAM moving against the West. Islam won't move against the west unless it sees itself under attack. As it now stands, it is merely arguable that Islam is under attack.

So, he waits till we start dropping bombs. Then he pops a nuke in Kabul, or Kandahar and blames it on the USA.

The Western World sees that this is nonsense and would naturally rally round the USA. The Islamic world, on the other hand thinks that this is typical Western hatred of Muslims. All of a sudden there is a groundswell of Islamic resolve. 1 Billion Muslims say in unison "See they hate us so badly that they indiscriminately nuke innocent afghans. American lives are worth more than Muslim ones. Islamic revolution sparks in maybe one or two countries where American troops are. Ideally Saudi Arabia, but maybe Pakistan.

USA responds by rushing troops hither and thither trying to cope with something that is now out of control. Meantime more nukes go off this time blowing up americans. This one they take responsibility for saying that it is payback. The US is now in an impossible position. Global Armegeddon or retreat.

Just a scenario, but one that has been bugging me. Comments are welcome.

34 posted on 10/01/2001 11:02:06 AM PDT by Loopy
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To: Loopy
I should add that the reason I think he may be inclined to use them on his own people and blame the USA is that if he has Nukes, transporting them here will be very difficult if not impossible. According to other threads I have read, these weapons require immense maintenance to keep them running including teams of materials people. It would be much more efficient to simply use them there where he can keep the weapons up and running without interference from US military and police forces.

Remember that he has been very good at being unpredictable. Why would he oblige us now and act predictably?

35 posted on 10/01/2001 11:06:57 AM PDT by Loopy
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To: Loopy
I might also add that his claim that the US nuked first could be bolstered by statement made by Wolfowitz that tactical nukes can't be ruled out and recent reports that all US military units carry tactical nuclear weapons.
36 posted on 10/01/2001 11:13:47 AM PDT by Loopy
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To: DAnconia55
You're assuming that the US will deploy massive forces. This won't be Desert Storm, a six-month buildup to 500,000 troops in-theater and then one massive Gottdammerung tank battle decides the whole shebang. It will instead be a war of a thousand squad and platoon-sized firefights over a period of years. They COULD use a nuke over there, but they just wouldn't be able to kill that many Americans--it'd kill a lot more of them, and probably convince every one of their neighbors that they need killin'.
37 posted on 10/01/2001 11:20:04 AM PDT by Poohbah
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To: Poohbah
They COULD use a nuke over there, but they just wouldn't be able to kill that many Americans--it'd kill a lot more of them

Maybe that's the point. We know that they are fond of giving their lives for Islam.

38 posted on 10/01/2001 11:22:56 AM PDT by Loopy
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To: Loopy
Your scenerio sounds plausible. Yikes, I just heard a AF jet fly at high speed over my house, no sh*t! I know that sound from my years in the USAF.
39 posted on 10/01/2001 11:30:10 AM PDT by seeker41
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To: Loopy
Good thinking!
40 posted on 10/01/2001 11:30:31 AM PDT by Chapita
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To: Loopy
Ugly scenario, one that I've thought of myself. Given the level of press control in the totalitarian (all variants) Muslim states, a nuke in Afghanistan would of course be blamed on the U.S., even if the radiation signiture is pure Soviet ("acquired" in the chaos of the disintegration of the empire), or Paki.
41 posted on 10/01/2001 11:31:10 AM PDT by FreedomPoster
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To: Lazamataz
An airliner filled with fuel IS a weapon of mass destruction.

Heck, a couple of guys here in NC tossed a pipe bomb in the basment of a courthouse the other day. The have been charged with making and using a weapon of mass distruction. It only blew a few windows out.

42 posted on 10/01/2001 11:32:48 AM PDT by Flint
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To: garyhope
Osama Bin Laden and his boys used Simple Knives and Paper/Box Cutters in New York to send us and the rest of the world a message. “The US is Not Invincible”

This guy wants to inspire the “World of Islam into a Holy War plain and simple”. If he is killed so much the better he gets an express ticket to heaven, and martyrs always inspire more martyrs for the good of the cause.

Osama is a guerrilla fighter and he thinks like one. His attacks escalating in nature thus far TWA 800, Egyptian Air, American Embassies in Africa, USS Cole, Oklahoma City (10 %-20% chance of funding IMO), and now WTC and the Pentagon were/are designed to probe and see how we will react and allow him(or his Organization) to adapt. He knows where we are weak.

At the same time OBL has been and still is developing his network of financial support, intelligent support, and terrorist capabilities. The US has many enemies and he will exploit as many as he needs.

OBL will make one move at a time, but he looks ahead several moves at a time. He will exploit one event then move on to the next.

His technique is obvious “Death by a Thousand Cuts”.
43 posted on 10/01/2001 11:34:25 AM PDT by bluetoad
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To: Loopy
Your scenario ignores the problem that the US response is far less likely to be sending TROOPS hither and thither, and more likely to be sending nuclear warheads here and there...never send an infantryman to do a nuclear warhead's job.
44 posted on 10/01/2001 11:35:55 AM PDT by Poohbah
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To: FreedomPoster
These people are crazed fanatics and only understand force.

After all, they are willing to die. Beter sooner than later, before they do who knows what.

45 posted on 10/01/2001 11:43:19 AM PDT by oyez
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To: DAnconia55
I think they are waiting for what he said ... escallation. There are ominous signs that we are courting allies among those who will never be our allies, and we are snubbing those who would be. If this escallates, I think Europe will tuck its tail, the muslims will unite, and The Chnese and Soviets will watch with glee.
46 posted on 10/01/2001 11:44:28 AM PDT by gjenkins
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To: Poohbah
Your scenario ignores the problem that the US response is far less likely to be sending TROOPS hither and thither, and more likely to be sending nuclear warheads here and there...never send an infantryman to do a nuclear warhead's job.

Thanks for the riposte!! No, I think that at the beginning of such a disaster (as has been seen by the handling of the present disaster) there could be expected to be a rather constrained response. When I said rushing troops hither and thither I was really talking about expected attempts at quelling local disturbances, the failure fo which would only add to the flames of Islamics.

47 posted on 10/01/2001 11:46:03 AM PDT by Loopy
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To: Poohbah
One thing that is bothering me, oh cripes there area about a thousand things bothering me, but in particular...Do we have enough of our military assets positioned close enough together that a large explosion could seriously hurt us?

Additionally, I too believe bin Laden and coherts deliberately provoked us 9.11 and are saving the big guns for later. He has claimeed he can bring down the US in three days..ponder what he meant by that?

48 posted on 10/01/2001 11:47:42 AM PDT by riri
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To: gjenkins
My scenario (see above) would accomplish exactly that. It would put the US back 50 years. Please let me have your comments.
49 posted on 10/01/2001 11:48:30 AM PDT by Loopy
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To: Loopy
x42 sent the US back 50 years....
50 posted on 10/01/2001 11:50:17 AM PDT by riri
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