Must God Apologize to Sodom and Gomorrah?

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[Dr. Brian Kopp]

Must God Apologize to Sodom and Gomorrah?
By Chuck Baldwin
October 2, 2001

It astonishes the mind to realize how many professing Christians refuse to believe that acceptance of moral perversity leads to divine judgment. Such widespread misunderstanding of Holy Writ can only be attributed to a half century of impotent, shallow pulpits. Unfortunately, the consequences of such willful ignorance can only mean we are doomed to repeat the mistakes of past nations that also ignored the warnings of Scripture.

If the Bible teaches anything, it teaches that God is sovereign in the affairs of men. America's Founding Fathers believed that to a man. Our very form of government is predicated upon this principle. The writings of the Founding Fathers are replete with personal acknowledgments to this principle. For Christians to now repudiate this principle is the height of silliness and stupidity.

Since the destruction of the Canaanite empire, every nation throughout history that has repudiated the moral laws of God has fallen victim to the wrath of God. There have been no exceptions. Even more interesting is the fact that the vast majority of these nations fell at the zenith of their power and influence. The mightiest armies men can assemble are but toy soldiers when they march against God.

It is true that God made a special covenant with only one nation, Israel. However, it is equally true that only one nation, the United States of America, made a special covenant with God. From the earliest days of our nation, our forebears made it crystal clear that this country was founded for "the advancement of the Christian faith" and for "the glory of God." Reread the Mayflower Compact, The Fundamental Orders of 1639, and the First Charter of Virginia. Study again the writings of America's Founders. There is no mistaking it: this country made a covenant with God.

Furthermore, Holy Scripture is also clear that God charges every nation to honor His standard of righteousness. Scripture promises divine blessing to nations that elevate these principles and divine judgment upon those nations ignoring them. This has been accepted Christian dogma for 2,000 years! God has made another covenant with the nations of the world: bless Israel and be blessed; curse Israel and be cursed.

Another principle that God has determined will cause a nation to falter or prosper is the principle of leadership. Leaders without the fear of God will doubtless bring a nation into divine displeasure, while leaders who fear and honor God's laws will surely experience Heaven's favor.

For far too long, too many of these sacred principles have been violated in our country! Are we now shocked that God could be using pagan nations (as He repeatedly did with Old Testament Israel) to judge Christian America? Instead of ridiculing the brave men who attempt to call America back to God, we should be doing what God demands.

That means the White House and the church house need to stop normalizing adultery, homosexuality, and other acts of sexual deviancy. We must begin holding our political leaders to the fundamental principles contained in our Declaration of Independence and Bill of Rights. Most of all, our pulpits must become, as DeTocqueville said, "ablaze with righteousness."

Listening to many modern pundits, one would think they expect God to apologize to Sodom and Gomorrah; however, God owes no nation an apology. God is righteous in judgment as much as He is in blessing. The only apology owed is the one owed to God from disobedient people. That is called repentance, and it is time America did it.

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[Dr. Brian Kopp]

Also see thread MOTHER ANGELICA PLEADS FOR PURGING OF "OTHER" TERRORISM IN U.S.

[gg188]

Great stuff. Fantastic. Keep on bumpin'!

[Arthur McGowan]

Chuck Baldwin just doesn't get it. God judges OTHER nations for their wickedness--Russia, Germany, Japan. They got what they deserved, and they should have accepted it as the price of their sins. When they slaughtered innocent people, they were being undemocratic and oppressive, and thus, their actions called down God's wrath. America is different: When we slaughter babies, we are exercising freedom and democracy.

So, you see, it's completely different. And preachers who say otherwise are just as bad as the men who hijacked those planes!

[Deep_6]

If He was teaching anything, it's that religious intolerance has
no place among civilized man.

 

[nofriendofbills]

I assume of course that everyone on those planes or in the target buildings was Gay, had an abortion, is an adulterer, divorced or was not a born again x-tian or a Mother Angelica approved Catholic.

[OWK]

Must God Apologize to Sodom and Gomorrah?

He was framed.

[DonQ]

The author is assuming a good deal about Sodom and Gomorrah. The Bible never clearly states exactly what the sins of Sodom & Gomorrah (and three other cities - we keep forgetting it was five cities destroyed at once) were. Since there are other Biblical references to the widows and daughters of Sodom, presumably the inhabitants were hetero and so forth. The Talmud suggests that these were cities living on banditry. But the Bible never clearly says that these cities were hotbeds of homosexuality (that use of the term sodomy started in the middle ages).

[Don Myers]

God has judged this nation. And despite all the attempts to rationalize how good we are and how God judged Sodom and Gommorah for their inhospitality to travelers or banditry, for God's sake, we will see firsthand how He brings judgement upon an immoral and Godless nation.

[pubmom]

I think we can gather somewhat of Sodom's troubles from Genesis 19. The Sodomite's demand outside Lot's house, that they be given the two angels to rape. That's enough for me.

[Frumious Bandersnatch]

Oh that all peoples were as 'religiously intolerant' as the founding fathers of the U.S. of A.

[Deep_6]

Re:
"...I assume of course that everyone on those planes or in the
target buildings was Gay, had an abortion, is an adulterer,
divorced or was not a born again x-tian or a Mother Angelica
approved Catholic...."

HAR de HAR HAR!

Right on, bro..

 

Thanks

[uncbob]

They got what they deserved, and they should have accepted it as the price of their sins. I thought that's what hell was for or is their some kind of double jeopardy

Please explain also whose wrath or judgement an 8 year old suffering with leukemia or a person dying of brain cancer has incurred.

Do you people ever bother to use logic before uttering this bilge

[Centurion2000]

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[Kyrie]

If He was teaching anything, it's that religious intolerance has no place among civilized man.

Sounds like you've made your god in your own image. How does he/she/it/they reveal himself/herself/itself/themselves? I'll stick with the God who has revealed Himself through the Bible.

[uncbob]

The Sodomite's demand outside Lot's house, that they be given the two angels to rape. That's enough for me.

Yeah and LOT being the LOVING father that he was offered the mob his daughters instead

[MissAmericanPie]

It doesn't?? Thats news to me. Jude 1:7 "Even as Sodom and Gomorrah, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forward as an example, suffering the vengence of eternal fire."

[Da_Shrimp]

So Lot offered to throw his two daughters to the crowd instead.

And that's enough for ME.

[OWK]

God has judged this nation. And despite all the attempts to rationalize how good we are and how God judged Sodom and Gommorah for their inhospitality to travelers or banditry, for God's sake, we will see firsthand how He brings judgement upon an immoral and Godless nation.

So it was God who smashed planes into the WTC?

[Kyrie]

I assume of course that everyone on those planes or in the target buildings was Gay, had an abortion, is an adulterer, divorced or was not a born again x-tian or a Mother Angelica approved Catholic.

When God brought judgment on Israel, even one of His own prophets went into exile. The Chaldeans did not spare the children or babies. God often does not do things the way we (you) think He should.

[steve-b]

we should be doing what God demands

We do not bow to "demands" from any source, fool.

[Deep_6]

I always enjoy reading these excerpts of pages ripped from the bible.

It seems like they pick a chapter they feel suits their need in their
effort to harass others, and recite it repeatedly, as if it gives them
some sort of Godly power to judge.

I think it was Jesus, wasn't it, that once said : "beware of those calling
themselves by my name"... or something to that effect?

And right behind Him came the disciples; the witnesses and
the bible writers. All claiming that God and Jesus is speaking
through them. "Jesus has spoken through me" or more simply,
"I am speaking for Jesus".... in effect: "I am Jesus".

Odd isn't it, that no-one seems to see that?

There is a phrase: "Where there is no vision, the people perish"

It's a nice phrase to learn and understand.

Thanks.

 

[uncbob]

The Chaldeans did not spare the children or babies. God often does not do things the way we (you) think He should.

In other words he practices TERRORISM

[What about Bob?]

born again x-tian or a Mother Angelica approved Catholic

I'm curious.. what's your reason for the "x" in place of the word Christ? Do you fear the name of Jesus Christ?

[Kyrie]

The Bible never clearly states exactly what the sins of Sodom & Gomorrah (and three other cities - we keep forgetting it was five cities destroyed at once) were.

Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire. (Jude 1:7 AV)

What's so hard to understand about that?

[MI]

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[What about Bob?]

HAR de HAR HAR! Right on, bro..

Oh look, two morons slapping each other on the back.

[OWK]

So it was God who smashed planes into the WTC?

Of course it was.

And you worship this God?

And call him good?

[OWK]

Damn right he did. I'd do the same thing.

You would throw your daughters to a gang of rapists?

That's pretty sick.

[freeeee]

From the earliest days of our nation, our forebears made it crystal clear that this country was founded for "the advancement of the Christian faith" and for "the glory of God." Study again the writings of America's Founders.

How incredibly bizarre that a nation founded "for the advancement of the Christian faith" forbids any "religious Test (to) ever be required as a Qualification to any Office or public Trust under the United States." - Article. VI, Clause 3

And how counterproductive for them to hinder a nation founded "for the glory of God" with a silly amendment forbidding any "law respecting an establishment of religion" - Amendment I.

Maybe the devil made them do it?

[SLB]

Genesis 19

[What about Bob?]

we should be doing what God demands

We do not bow to "demands" from any source, fool.

Statements like this speak so loud and clear about the state of man. It's astonishing to see, frankly. Too bad steve-b doesn't realize what he is saying to all of those who know God.

[Austin Willard Wright]

So what is he suggesting, that we nuke Las Vegas?

[steve-b]

Indeed, Osama bin Baldwin says a great many unflattering things about the state of man. He even projects his personal inadequacies upon his deities.

[Da_Shrimp]

God didn't tell Lot to sacrifice offer his daughters for rapine, he did it off his own bat.

Hebrew Patriarchs really suck.

[What about Bob?]

Odd isn't it, that no-one seems to see that?

What's odd is how amazingly ignorant you seem to be. Tell me was that verse from the NIV or the KJV? And, would it hold in the aramaic, or hebrew? Also, have you consulted anyone who is a biblical scholar to make certain that your layman's reading of an English Bible and subsequent re-wording is accurate? People like you make me laugh.

[steve-b]

I'd do the same thing.

You'd throw your daughters to a gang of rapists to save your own sorry ass? Child Protective Services ought to be at your door -- and, if necessary, breaking it down.

[OWK]

He even projects his personal inadequacies upon his deities.

A tendency which has pervaded theology since it's inception.

[What about Bob?]

What on earth did that have to do with what I said?

[Da_Shrimp]

Lot didn't even know these geezers were angels.

Basically, then, he offered his daughters up for the sake of two strangers.

Bet he wouldn't have offered his sons...

[steve-b]

"If English wuz good enough fur Mozes and Jesus, it's good enough for me!"

[What about Bob?]

A tendency which has pervaded theology since it's inception.

Really? How so? Can you give me some examples, and quantify it such that you justify your use of the word "pervaded" ? Thanks!

[mombonn]

That means the White House and the church house need to stop normalizing adultery, homosexuality, and other acts of sexual deviancy. We must begin holding our political leaders to the fundamental principles contained in our Declaration of Independence and Bill of Rights. Most of all, our pulpits must become, as DeTocqueville said, "ablaze with righteousness."

Chuck Swindoll said much the same thing this morning as he is preaching his way through Ephesians 6. He was talking about truth, and went off of a rant that was classic.

It was not in relation to 9/ll, just about the state of the country in general.

[steve-b]

And you criticize a man who contemplated sacrificing his daughter's chastity in order to avoid his entire town being destroyed?

If he's not man enough to defend his town against a terrorist assault, let him join a kum-ba-ya protest somewhere.

[freeeee]

When are you going to realize there are some things more important than your children, your wife, your prosperity, and your life? If God told you to sacrifice your son, you better do it.

This, a reading from the Book of Jim Jones.

[Byron_the_Aussie]

..so it was God who smashed planes into the WTC?...

OBJECTION, your honor! OWK's doing his witness-and-prosecutor schtick, AGAIN.