Posted on 10/04/2001 12:16:59 PM PDT by ipaq2000
Yeah. Me too. Off and on at first, off for awhile, and been here quite some time now. This Jihad contingent is rife with disinformation and are at times outrageous, stupid, and/or simply making it up as they go. You would think that after the WTC, they would have developed an appreciation for this country which I still have yet to see from the Muslim community. THESE guys are like worms in apples. Don't bite.
Everyone? You must have a small circle of friends. Or maybe it's just the "kind" you hang around with. And your take on the WTC is about as pathetic a claim I've seen considering the fact the "Palestinians" themselves stated the Intifada was planned long before Sharon's RIGHTFUL walk to the area of the Temple Mount. Unless of course you believe Muslims are your lords and masters and you should do and believe what they say - like a good little dhimmi.
Your entire post is amazing. More regurgitation of the same garbage that appears on every single thread that even mentions Sharon. You are beyond outrageous if you think this will continue to wash. What's the matter? The truth isn't good enough for you to justify your anti-Americanism? That IS what you try to do, you know.
Israel won't make peace so the US should drag it into the 21st century and demand compromise. We are now tired of having our buildings knocked down on behalf of some foreign interests. If not, then a pox on both their houses and get out of that intractable squabbling quagmire. Nothing is going to happen to Israel because they have the BOMB. Which, BTW, shouldn't sanctions have been applied to them for acquiring that? Wonder why it wasn't? Follow the money as Rush would say.
In case you're interested, the full quote from Genghis Khan from my War and Doctrine Army manual [P612, the P is not page, it's the number of the manual] is as follows:
Annihilation: A man's greatest pleasure is to defeat his enemies, to drive them before him, to take from them that which they possessed, to see those whom they cherished in tears, to ride their horses, to hold their wives and daughters in his arms. I forbid you to show mercy to my enemies without an express order from me. Genghis Khan
The Czechs wish they had nuclear capabilities and arguably the best Air Force in the world to defend themselves against the Germans.
Arabs were the ones "seizing" and pillaging land. Get your facts straight.
Arabization and Ethnic Cleansing (the fairy tale of "indigenous Palestinians" exposed (my title))
"At the beginning of the conquest....the conquered populations of the Orient were still using their national languages: Aramaic (Iraq, Mesopotamia, Syria, Palestine), Coptic (Egypt), and Pahlavi (Persia), and the foundations of Arab power were still weak. Consequently, notwithstanding their repugnance, the caliphs and their governors had to resort to the services of local Christian or Jewish administrators, a situation which risked jeopardizing the performance of their power. It therefore became imperative to consolidate Islamic politico-military domination by a demographic increase in Arab numbers and by Muslim legislation to stabilize the situation....These two phases, which roughly corresponded to the period of Arabization under the Umayyads [661-750 A.D.] and of Islamization under the Abbasids [750-1517 A.D.] , definitely ensured the Arab-Muslim hold on the conquered lands and population.
In fact, the postconquest period was a time of intensive Arab colonization dictated by strategic requirements. For whereas pursuit of the ongoing jihad procured considerable booty and cemented Islamic solidarity, these battles in far-off lands weakened the Arab military presence in the conquered countries. To mitigate this danger, Umar, and particularly Uthman, adopted a policy of Arab colonization pursued by their successors.
The continuous migration of whole tribes with their flocks---tribes originating from different regions of Arabia and often hostile to one another---not only created problems of settlement in towns and country areas that were among the most fertile and most highly populated, it also gave rise to difficulties regarding subsidies and cohabitation with the native population, the nomads being adverse to agricultural and urban occupations.
The flow of migration, duly controlled by the Arab military administration, was directed toward specific regions. Certain tribes joined up with military population centers: Basra and Kufa in Iraq, Fustat in Egpt for example: others received the vast domains farmed by the native inhabitants reduced to slavery or bond service (Iraq, Egypt, Spain, the Maghreb). In Palestine and Syria, tribes from Yemen and nomads from Hijaz settled in the towns and countryside where they took over houses and lands...
This Arabization had disastrous effects on the native populations, as the confiscation of lands by the invaders and the appropriation of houses and villages did not take place without plundering and abuse. This emigration had four major consequences. First, the total area of the conquered lands was seized by a tribe originating from Mecca, who exercised their military authority through nomadic Arab tribes. Second, the massive Arab emigration engendered endemic anarchy in countries where hitherto, in comparison with the native population, they had only constituted tiny minorities on the desert fringes.....Moreover, during this period of Arabization in the Near East, the caliph Abd al-Malik (685-705) forbade the use of native languages in the adminsitration, replacing them with Arabic. Thus emigration into countries of settled civilization by nomads, who were strengthened in their bellicose habits by the ideology of jihad and by their victories, increased the instability, while plundering turned cultivated areas into deserts." (Bat Ye'or, The Decline of Eastern Christianity Under Islam (1996)pp.58-60).
Excellent rebuttal. I always enjoy reading your posts, even though I often disagree. Carry on.....
Regards
Which indigenous people, read psychopaths, did you have in mind, there, stinger? The Egyptians, Lebanese, Saudis, Iraqis, Iranians, Jordanians, Syrians, Libyans, Sudanese, Algerians, Tunisians, Taliban, Hamas, Hizbullah, Force 17, Fatah, PLO, Al Quaida, etc. ?????????????????? All of those make up the non-indigenous, fictional, *Palestinians*. Gaza has become the Arab World's Asylum for the Criminally Insane.
Oh gee!!! THERE'S an original one. LOL
LOL, someone noticed! I wore out two VHS's before finally getting it on DVD. And I'm book marking this thread for your "true" quote. Thank you.
Britain was in no position after the war to stop Soviet take over of Poland and Czechoslovakia.
Contrast Britain's smart policy that helped win victory to the very stupid one by America towards Israel which is The Enemy of my friend (Israel) is my Enemy. Since the Palestinians and Arabs and Muslims are not our enemies we have become toads in the disputes of others and our vital interests are not even at stake. It's all about domestic politics and money, power, and influence. American has interests not friends!
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