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EXAMINE YOUR SOUL': IS [CARDINAL] EGAN BLAMING THE VICTIMS? [LETTERS]
New York Post ^ | 5 October 2001 | Various

Posted on 10/05/2001 8:01:23 AM PDT by aculeus

Edited on 05/26/2004 5:01:07 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

October 5, 2001 -- I am a Roman Catholic who was appalled by the insensitivity of the remarks made by Edward Cardinal Egan ("Examine your soul, America, Egan says," Oct. 2). No sane person wants war, but the actions we are about to undertake are a necessity. This is about the survival of America.


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1 posted on 10/05/2001 8:01:23 AM PDT by aculeus
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To: aculeus
What exactly were his comments?
2 posted on 10/05/2001 8:05:32 AM PDT by DLfromthedesert
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To: aculeus
Egan was screaming for justice against the terrorists from the moment it happened. His comments are being blown way out of proportion. Even President Bush said we need to re-examine our "culture". It's not about blaming the U.S. for the attack, it's about recognizing how precious and short life is, how much evil is in the world, and fixing those areas where we are falling short ourselves. This is usually when those things happen (e.g. Pearl Harbor), when people start re-prioritizing and repenting for their own misdeeds. Cardinal Egan is not blaming Americans, he is calling on us to reflect on how we can refrain from contributing to evil in our country (as people are still getting murdered, mugged, and abused on your block).
3 posted on 10/05/2001 8:12:58 AM PDT by Dirk McQuickly
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To: DLfromthedesert
What exactly were his comments?

What am I, your secretary?

4 posted on 10/05/2001 8:13:53 AM PDT by aculeus
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To: aculeus

Cardinal Egan Tells America: Examine your Soul


5 posted on 10/05/2001 8:23:17 AM PDT by SlickWillard
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To: aculeus
I don't understand what has offended you.
6 posted on 10/05/2001 8:24:28 AM PDT by kassie
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To: Dirk McQuickly
His comments are being blown way out of proportion,

Screw him! You had a**hole Drinan and that a**hole bishop (Gunderson?) joining the backstabbing Blame America crowd and now the Cardinal of NYC the home of the WTC and hundreds of (mostly Catholic) dead fireman and cops with thousands of children and he talks about examing our behavior.

Get with your country, "Cardinal Maher"!

(aculeus is an ex-altar boy.)

7 posted on 10/05/2001 8:24:49 AM PDT by aculeus
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To: aculeus
The press has an obligation to hold Cardinal Egan's feet to the fire and to get some answers as to precisely what he meant by his comments.

His comments were very clear. Maybe what you mean is that we ought to use the press to hound Egan mercilessly and either force him to recant or get him impeached, or defrocked, or whatever it is.

Certainly, someone should rid the president of this meddlesome priest. This is no damn time for people to betray their country by exercising their freedom of religion or free speech. Not even supposedly "godly" men like Cardinal Egan. He needs to be watched.

8 posted on 10/05/2001 8:26:54 AM PDT by Hidy
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To: kassie
I don't understand what has offended you.

Oh, precious you, asking what 'offends' me.

Why did all those people write to the NY Post?

How many other letters did they not print?

When are you going to get with the program?

9 posted on 10/05/2001 8:28:42 AM PDT by aculeus
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To: aculeus
I was reading one of my Hilaire Belloc books last night, I think it was titled "the crisis of civilization." If your unfamiliar with Belloc, hes a catholic writer, lived from about 1890 to 1953. Anyway he has a great chapter related to "Nationalism", when I read the chapter it sure fit todays mood..."country uber alles"

I believe the Cardinals words are very appropriate, and very misunderstood by our pagan society.

10 posted on 10/05/2001 8:32:53 AM PDT by Cap'n Crunch
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To: Hidy
You're just being your usual smart-aleck self.

All these comments coming from clergy asking Americans to "examine their own behavior" comes across, at best, as hideously arrogant.

Not everything that could be said SHOULD be said. And men of the cloth rarely restrain themselves when in role.

11 posted on 10/05/2001 8:33:55 AM PDT by sinkspur
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To: aculeus
About 25,000 unborn babies were butchered in America in the same week that 5,000 people were butchered in the attack on the World Trade Center.

And 25,000 unborn babies have been butchered in every week since.

You can draw your own conclusions.

12 posted on 10/05/2001 8:36:03 AM PDT by Aquinasfan
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To: SlickWillard
Thanks for the link.
13 posted on 10/05/2001 8:43:02 AM PDT by DLfromthedesert
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To: aculeus
What a snot you are!!! SlickWillard posted the link. You could have done that!!
14 posted on 10/05/2001 8:44:33 AM PDT by DLfromthedesert
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To: sinkspur
Arent we a funny lot, we complain when the priest doesnt talk about topics and gives us watered down homilies, yet when something happens and the priest does say something we want him to shut up.
15 posted on 10/05/2001 8:44:44 AM PDT by Cap'n Crunch
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To: aculeus
I was also upset by Cardinal Egan's remarks. I was also brought up as Roman Catholic. I find Cardinal Egan's comments to be no different than Jerry Farwell's comments.
16 posted on 10/05/2001 8:45:07 AM PDT by Patriotic Bostonian
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To: aculeus
Screw him! You had a**hole Drinan and that a**hole bishop (Gunderson?) joining

I don't like these guys either; and there are a few more on my list. But you need to check your hate-meter man. It's way off the scale. God calls all men to repentance. This statement has nothing to do with what happened in the WTC. It has to do with what could happen with unchecked revenge and hate.

17 posted on 10/05/2001 8:45:29 AM PDT by ThomasMore
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To: aculeus
First of all I did not ask you a question. Secondly, I simply stated a fact. And last of all, what program do I need to "get with"? Bashing the Cardinal?
18 posted on 10/05/2001 8:46:18 AM PDT by kassie
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To: Dirk McQuickly
When asked a direct question, his answer was that our foreign policy shared in the responsibility for this attack, and to me, these remarks on foreign soil are traitorous at this juncture.
19 posted on 10/05/2001 8:48:02 AM PDT by DLfromthedesert
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To: DLfromthedesert
his answer was that our foreign policy shared in the responsibility for this attack

In this he definitely overstepped his bounds.

20 posted on 10/05/2001 8:51:12 AM PDT by ThomasMore
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To: DLfromthedesert
I can not read the Cardinals mind, but perhaps he was speaking of the time we bombed the aspirin factory??
21 posted on 10/05/2001 8:53:28 AM PDT by kassie
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To: aculeus
The comments from the Cardinal in the NewsMax article seem to be exactly what a priest should be saying. It seems to me that anyone who disagrees with it has no business in a church.

To put "patriotism" (nationalism) ahead of the quest for spiritual unfoldment is not the job of a priest.

22 posted on 10/05/2001 8:55:55 AM PDT by OK
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To: ThomasMore
BTW, Cardinal Egan IS ruffling his feathers here in front of the world synod. If he made any mistakes it was in passing political judgement on US foreign policy. He should stick to Catholicism or indict at least a dozen other countries on attrocities. He would have served himself better in speaking to the Catholic politicains about the condition of their soul. Straighten them out first.
23 posted on 10/05/2001 9:00:25 AM PDT by ThomasMore
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To: ThomasMore
He would have served himself better in speaking to the Catholic politicains about the condition of their soul. Straighten them out first.

I agree whole heartedly.

24 posted on 10/05/2001 9:08:29 AM PDT by kassie
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To: ThomasMore
Should clarify...it shouldn't just be the Cardinal, but the local priests as well.
25 posted on 10/05/2001 9:13:42 AM PDT by kassie
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To: Cap'n Crunch
Arent we a funny lot, we complain when the priest doesnt talk about topics and gives us watered down homilies, yet when something happens and the priest does say something we want him to shut up.

Egan should have taken his cue from the Pope, who has consoled America and cautioned against rash action.

Instead, Egan waits til he's out of the country and starts slapping us around.

This guy is no Cardinal O'Connor, to be sure.

26 posted on 10/05/2001 9:14:01 AM PDT by sinkspur
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To: sinkspur
This guy is no Cardinal O'Connor, to be sure.

Cardinal O'Connor was a US Navy veteran. This man is playing to the left.

As for you 'priests can do no wrong' fools, try looking up the history of the odious Berrigan brothers, two drunkard anti-American priests who are still laughing at the 'good Catholic' FBI agents who addressed them as "Father".

Or how about Tip O'Neill's aunt, a Maryknoller, who 'advised' little Timmie on Nicaragua? Such people are frauds, using their clerical collars, nun's habits and the 'obedient' sheep who treat them with inappropriate respect to push a political agenda.

27 posted on 10/05/2001 9:48:34 AM PDT by aculeus
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To: aculeus
The Maryknolls are the worst. Commies maquerading as a religious order.
28 posted on 10/05/2001 10:04:55 AM PDT by DLfromthedesert
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To: aculeus
Cardinal Egan is a rock-solid Catholic Churchman, if anything a bit more conservative than Cardinal O'Connor. I got to know him pretty well while he was Bishop of Bridgeport. This is nothing but an underhanded effort by the media to split and divide conservatives--something they do all the time, and there always seem to be people eager to swallow their poisoned bait.

Are you saying that the Cardinal should have said that Americans are totally without sin? That's about all his remark amounted to, that no one is entirely without sin.

But it's pretty obvious that it was a trick question. McCain and his left-wing admirers in the press tried very hard to do the same thing to Bush last year, when he spoke at Bob Jones University. "Divide and conquer" is the old name for it. It's typical slimy behavior on the part of our lying media.

29 posted on 10/05/2001 10:08:20 AM PDT by Cicero
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To: Cicero
Are you saying that the Cardinal should have said that Americans are totally without sin?

No thought required here, just an old-but-true cliche:

There's a time and place for everything.

The Hate America crowd marched in grieving Washington. The time for criticism of America by (of all people) New York's Cardinal is not now.

As for the media trying to 'split' conservatives this is the New York Post. Conservative to the core. Do you think they solicited those letters?

30 posted on 10/05/2001 10:18:52 AM PDT by aculeus
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To: DLfromthedesert
What exactly were his comments?

What a snot you are!!!

Oh, I am so hurt!

Did you request a link? No.

Did you say please? No.

Couldn't you get the gist of what the Cardinal said from reading the letters? No.

You wanted me to drop what ever else I might be doing and tell you 'exactly' what he said. My response to your arrogant demand was appropriate.

31 posted on 10/05/2001 10:26:38 AM PDT by aculeus
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To: aculeus
Of course, I expect every time I ask a question that everyone should drop everything they're doing and answer it. I guess I need to change my name to Queenfrom the desert. :)
32 posted on 10/05/2001 10:47:58 AM PDT by DLfromthedesert
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To: aculeus
AmChurch, the dominant faction of the Catholic Church in America is the shame of traditional conservative Catholics.

AmChurch is dominated by gay-lesbian radical activists that have sheltered child molesters now on trial in every major American city from L.A. to Boston.

New York's Cardinal Egan is at the head of perhaps the most divided region of the Catholic Church in the U.S.

33 posted on 10/05/2001 12:00:45 PM PDT by Havisham
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To: Dirk McQuickly
Egan was screaming for justice against the terrorists from the moment it happened. His comments are being blown way out of proportion. Even President Bush said we need to re-examine our "culture".

The President is wrong too.

34 posted on 10/05/2001 12:03:23 PM PDT by Havisham
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To: aculeus
Always post articles, not just links, presented for discussion. Things have gotten pretty sloppy of late at FR.
35 posted on 10/05/2001 12:04:50 PM PDT by Havisham
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To: Havisham
Always post articles, not just links, presented for discussion. Things have gotten pretty sloppy of late at FR.

Huh? I posted the Letters and the link.

Perhaps you intended to direct your comment to someone else?

36 posted on 10/05/2001 1:49:37 PM PDT by aculeus
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To: aculeus
Directed to you. The headline should be followed by the text to which it refers. By concensus and simple logic that's how it's done here.
37 posted on 10/06/2001 11:55:14 AM PDT by Havisham
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To: aculeus
We can only hope that Cardinal Egan, while in Rome, can get Silvio Berlisconi to explain to him what is going on here.
38 posted on 10/06/2001 12:20:06 PM PDT by Faraday
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