Posted on 10/06/2001 7:38:53 PM PDT by avg_freeper
I have been trying to get a handle on why the term jingoistic irks me so much.
You see it everywhere now.
After doing some searching I found this little gem:
Dear Paul,
Maybe the nicest thing about seeing "The Patriot" was
standing in the ticket line, hearing my fellow Americans
say that word. "Two for 'The Patriot' please." "One for
'The Patriot' at 5:30." Because no one I know uses the P
word anymore. If they do, it's an adjective—patriotic. But
I seem to move in circles where even that word has
been replaced by "jingoistic." Like the other night at the
Magnolia Bakery after dinner—I was with some friends
and we stopped in for dessert—everyone went for the
cookies or the banana cream pudding with 'Nilla wafers
except for one guy, Andy. I pointed at his cupcake with
the little American flag stuck in the top and asked him,
"What made you get that?"
"I was feeling jingoistic," he said.
I guess the word is being bandied about because some
just can't force their selves to be a patriot.
So in light of all this,
I wrote a little ditty about it, like to here it? here it is...
Liberal Hells by avg_freeper
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Jingoistic, Jingoistic, hegemonist, emperilist till I die!
Oh what fun, it is to hear, whiney liberals cry!
Jingoistic, Jingoistic, lets go invade some land!
Because for all their belly ach'in libs can Go Pound Sand!
I think it's possible for patriotic person to witness unseemly behavior, and to have misgivings about seeming to ride a bandwagon with that type of person. But, more likely, those using the term "jingoism" are the self-flagellating HateAmericaFirst UberLibs who are looking for a way to mask their complete lack of patriotism.
Socialists in Congress? Click on the zeppelin, Grasshopper.
JINGOISM "extreme chauvinism or nationalism marked esp. by a belligerent foreign policy"
Must be a relatively new word...using chauvinism in its definition...
But the whole chauvinistic thing started rolling with this song:
(Kind of cute I think, but I guess that just shows how much of a male chauvinist I am.)
OH BY JINGO
words by Lew Brown, music by Albert Von Tilzer
as sung by Nora Bayes, Frank Crumit, Billy Murray,
Esther Walker, and Margaret Young.
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In the land of San Domingo
Lived a girl called Oh By Jingo
(Ta da, ya da da da da da, um-pa, umpa um-pa um-pa)
From the fields and from the marshes
Came the young and old by goshes.
(Ta da,etc.)
They all spoke with a different lingo
But they all loved Oh By Jingo
And every night
They sang by the pale moon light
Oh By Gee, By Gosh, By Gum, by Jove,
Oh By Jingo, won't you hear our love!
We will build for you a hut
You will be our favorite nut.
We'll have a lot of little Oh By Gollies
Then we'll put them in the Follies.
By Jingo said, By Gosh By Gee-ee,
By Jimminy, please don't bother me.
So they all went away singing
Oh By Gee, by gosh, By Gum, By Jove, By Jingo,
Oh, By Gee, you're the only girl for me.
Oh By Jingo had a lover
He was always under cover.
(Ta da, etc.)
Every night she used to meet him.
Oh how nice she used to treat him.
(Ta da, etc.)
They eloped, but they both were collared,
And the gang stood there and hollered:
"Don't raise a fuss,
You've got to take one of us!"
Oh by Gee, by Gosh, by Gum, by Jove
Oh! By Jingo, won't you take our love?
We will live out in a tent
Cheat the landlord of his rent
We'll have lots of little Jimminy Crickets
We can use them for meal tickets!
By Jingo said, Oh boys, won't you behave
You know I've put five husbands in the grave.
So they all went away singing
Oh by Gee, by Gosh, by Gum, by Jingo,
Oh by Gee! You're the only girl for me.
Oh by Gee by Gosh by Gum by Jove
Oh By Jingo won't you hear our love?
We will build for you a still
We'll make whiskey on the hill
We'll have a lot of little liquor beggars
They'll grow up to be bootleggers!
By Jingo said now boys, don't rave
You know I've put six husbands in the grave.
So they all went away singing
Oh by Gee, by Gosh, by Gum, by Jove, by Jingo;
Oh by Gee, you're not the girl for me.
"Editorial Reviews
Amazon.com
Patriotism, the last refuge of a scoundrel, was also a refuge for at least one country-pop crooner with a fading career: Lee Greenwood. Greenwood segued from Las Vegas lounge lizardry to fleeting Nashville-style country-pop stardom during country music's dismal "Urban Cowboy" crossover-obsessed period of the early 1980s. He enjoyed substantial chart success for most of the following decade with a string of pleasant but evanescent hits like "Somebody's Gonna Love You" and "Dixie Road." But Greenwood's enduring claim to fame proved to be an overwrought patriotic air called none too subtly "God Bless the U.S.A." Though it barely cracked the Top 10 when released as a single in 1984, it's still in heavy rotation today at ballparks and stock car races on the Fourth of July. Thus when Greenwood lost his chart juice in the early 1990s, he traded in his gold chains and jump suits for a modified Uncle Sam outfit and hit the American Legion/VFW circuit. To pave the way, he assembled this tepid 10-cut collection of overly familiar patriotic anthems centered around "God Bless the U.S.A." Suffice to say, Greenwood doesn't steal Kate Smith's, Woody Guthrie's, or Elvis's thunder with his renditions of "God Bless America," "This Land Is Your Land," and "Dixie," respectively, but in his own pedestrian way, he does manage to cover all the jingoistic bases with what passes as sincerity. --Bob Allen"
What crap...I guess we are all scoundrels...grrrrrr
Jingo (Page: 800) Jin"go (?), n.; pl. Jingoes (#). [Said to be a corruption of St. Gingoulph.]
1. A word used as a jocular oath. By the living jingo." Goldsmith.
2. A statesman who pursues, or who favors, aggressive, domineering policy in foreign affairs. [Cant, Eng.] &hand; This sense arose from a doggerel song which was popular during the Turco-Russian war of 1877 and 1878. The first two lines were as follows: --
We don't want to fight, but by Jingo if we do, We 've got the ships, we 've got the men, we 've got the money too.
Do you have the hardbound or paper back copy of "Mien Kampf"? You seem to be a student of that book.
Jingoistic is a term that describes our obvious tendencies to be hegemonists,
making our buildings too high in the attempt to hurt the poor (radical?) islamic
militants who only wish to be understood.
Patriot, on the other hand, is a naughty term that we all need to try and forget.
Actually, I have the paperback ersion.
You would be amazed at the things Hitler said that are now being put forward as "new" ideas today from both the left and the right.
Buy it.. then watch the news or listen to a radio talk show.
You will be amazed.
I have been looking through a great many of your posts from
other threads.
I have concluded you might need to tend to your wounded.
This has been a message from your local Neighborhood Communist Watch ... keeping you informed of subversive activity.
Sadly, I won't be.
Ah, my public. How they love me!
"let me hear your fascinating argument equating a natural and healthy human sense of community solidarity with idolatry of the Inerrant State."
I will try but my only guide will be the dimming memory of similar challenges by the
hoard of rabid barbaric history profs I had to wade through as a lowly engineering
student.
So, here goes.
There is nothing inherently inerrant about my nation.( that ball is in your court oh wordy one.)
And I do not idolize it as I am of it.
In summary:
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natural and healthy human sense of community solidarity ---- good
idolatry of the Inerrant State ---- your fantasy (until proven)
can't equate what don't be
I ask only for information.
And obviously your dictionary school was rather lax in teaching you the finer points of debate.
I have put forth that part of your proposition "idolatry of the Inerrant State" is
false on two accounts. It is now your turn to attempt to rectify that situation the
ball is in your court now.
So please try to finish one argument before starting another.
But,
in an attempt to provide solace for the erratic ramblings of another, here:
"Question: Hitler's foreign policy was uncommonly belligerent. Would you call him a patriot?"
No, I would call him an arrogant delusionary sadist. Germany of the 1930s-1940s
would call him a patriot.
My definition of patriotism lies rooted in the nation for which I hold patriotic feelings.
Hitler's foreign policy was one of offense and subjugation.
(not unlike that of (radical?) Islamic militants, no?)
My great nation's foreign policy is one primarily of trade
engagements and defense.
By your post I can only assume you wish to base your
definition of words on the actions of history's greatest
jerks. Alas, I too would suggest you invest in a dictionary.
You've got the wrong guy, I'd go talk to that chap over there with the
straw poking out of his seams.
It is obvious that at some point in time someone whizzeled in your
Wheaties and hurt your feelings. And somehow as a result any
resurgence in American national pride chaffs your hide.
I can't help that as this thread was not even presented as an argument.
I found a cute sentimental editorial that sums up a lot of my views on
patriot / jingoistic so I posted it.
But, after seeing your first two posts I could plainly see they were
drenched heavily in the syrup of "Yankee Go Home".
So #20 was a deliberate attempt to get you to 'fess up as to what is
really getting your goat. You've obliged oh so well.
Guilty conscience.
Oh. Your mean he was "A statesman who pursues, or who favors, aggressive, domineering policy in foreign affairs"? Now I know you disavow any similarity with Hitler -- but really!
On that I agree. My beef is with those who try to equate the better side
of "patriot" with the horrid aspect of fascist. As you are probably well
aware it is a tool used only to insult and demean.
On the other hand if you still have a place for patriotism in America then
we have no argument for now.
I confess, most of your more unpopular views seem agreeable to me.
--- A call for less of a policy entanglement between the US. and Israel.
Although I admit I fill a love and kinship with Israel I do wish that they
would take a more active roll in diplomacy. They should be leading the
way in eliminating the current hostilities. For their sake as well as the rest
of the region. A hands off American policy would probably help.
--- An acknowledgment that sanctions and "no-fly" zones do little to curtail a
well funded mad man.
--- And the admission that there are evil people in the world that plague the
inhabitants of countries like Iraq and Afghanistan much more than they do us.
The main difference in opinions lie squarely in your defeatist view that
America is incapable of rising to face these challenges.
This view is expressed often in blurbs like the following:
"The poppies are all gone -- the Taliban destroyed them all. These guys love their faith more than money. That's why they're so dangerous. That's why the West -- faithless, alientated, deracinated -- has no clue how to deal with them."
Maybe the DU rats are right and Bill Mahr is a freeper.
Glad that we've found some common ground. That didn't take long, did it? ;-)
I confess, most of your more unpopular views seem agreeable to me.
Very sporting of you. Thanks.
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