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Best U.S. Civil War books - FReeper opinions sought
Imagination ^ | 7 Oct 2001 | just me

Posted on 10/07/2001 9:23:37 AM PDT by fnord

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To: kaylar
I never saw a sequel to Guns. I thought Turtledove got back into writing the WWII series with the little lizards. And I read Harrison's books. Didn't like them too much.

The thing I like about Turtledove's series is that for at least the first few books he uses actual quotes from the historical figure. Not to give away too much, but interestingly enough after Lincoln is booted out of office in '64, he starts the American Socialist Party. Now THAT I find not only plausible but quite likely

81 posted on 10/08/2001 5:26:51 PM PDT by billbears
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To: billbears
LL-DD gives Yankees a bad name, if I do say so myself and IMHO of course. Still, I've noticed a bit of a bias in your reading lists, too.

I'm sorry but after all the hoopla about Adams' book I must say that I'm completely underwhelmed by it. I think that he makes too many unsubstantiated claims and backs up his writings with a tiny bibliography of only a dozen or so sources. None of which were government sources - from either the north or south. I cranked out a master's thesis with a longer bibliography than that. All in all, a shoddy work. Again, IMHO.

82 posted on 10/08/2001 5:42:30 PM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: fnord
My 2 cents worth. The best overall history of the Civil War in one book is James McPherson's Battle Cry of Freedom.

Author Burke Davis has a several books on various Civil War personalities and is a good story teller. J.E.B. Stuart, The Last Cavalier, and To Appomatox, Nine Days in April, 1865

The last book mentioned is a great accounting of the flight of the Confederate Army from Richmond to its final surrender at Appomatox. My favorite part of the whole book is when General Wise, the former VA. Governer stops to wash his face in a mud puddle one morning. General Lee rides up and Genl.Wise stands up to talk with him, only his face is covered in mud. General Lee says something to the effect of "General, I appreciate your enthusiasam in putting on your war paint this morning".

84 posted on 10/08/2001 8:52:59 PM PDT by Rebelbase
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To: fnord
Can't give you advice about books, but if you want to see the best collection of Civil War figures ever produced, check out www.sideshowtoys.com. They have a Brother in Arms collection that is incredible.

I have the first set, and trust me, they are truly amazing and a must if you collect action figures or a history buff. They are offering a WWI collection, and famous Gunfighters as well. I've already pre-ordered the whole dang thing.

85 posted on 10/08/2001 8:57:38 PM PDT by bootyist-monk
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To: fnord
I haven't read the thread yet, so does anybody remember a small "coffee-table" sized book that was published maybe 15-20 years ago that had 3D representations of the Civil War battlefields? I didn't buy it then, never saw it again, and have been regretting it ever since . . . .
86 posted on 10/08/2001 9:08:06 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: muleskinner;fnord
Get the audio tape, Foote reads it himself. Excellent series, I listened to them while driving across country.
87 posted on 10/08/2001 9:11:50 PM PDT by csvset
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To: fnord
For an overview of the War in Arkansas, Christ's Rugged and Sublime is a good read.

The Campaigns of General Nathan Bedford Forrest by Jordan and Pryor is a very interesting, albeit biased, read. It provides detailed and insight into this controversial yet magnificent calvaryman.

Joshua Chamberlain's autobiography (I believe titled Passing of the Armies) is excellent, as well.

90 posted on 10/08/2001 9:34:48 PM PDT by Snicker'sMom
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To: kaylar
"Lone Star Preacher" by Col. John Thomason, USMC. Out of print but was was written by Col. John Tomason, USMC of Huntsville, Tex. He was one of the most prolific writers of the 20s and 30s and was raised among WBTS veterans in Huntsville. There is a Col. John Thomason room at Sam Houston State U. library in Huntsville.
91 posted on 10/08/2001 10:13:05 PM PDT by BnBlFlag
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To: fnord
I agree with many that would begin with either Shelby Foote or Bruce Catton's 'The Civil War'. In order to furthur understand the facts behind these popular post-war historians' descriptions, the book that is most often quoted for obscure facts is Pollard's 'Southern History of the War', which has been suggested, and was written as events unfolded.

Charles Adams' recent book which has also been recommended is most valuable in understanding the start of the war. It is interesting, and will stimulate you to furthur research. It uses data, combined with contemporary accounts, to verify Pollard and add understanding to Catton.

Finally, if you read Mary B. Chestnut's diary, then I would recommend 'Confederate Charleston' as a companion read.

92 posted on 10/09/2001 5:11:43 AM PDT by PeaRidge
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To: LLAN-DDEUSANT
So what are the nine major points?
93 posted on 10/09/2001 7:45:30 AM PDT by Aurelius
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To: billbears
Speaking of lizards and the civil war, there's a really weird set of books by William R Forstchen called The Lost Regiment series: Rally Cry , Union Forever,Terrible Swift Sword ,Fateful Lightning,Battle Hymn,, A Band of Brothers ,Men of War and Never Sound Retreat. These are undoubtedly the strangest alternate world books ever written which deal with the civil war. A regiment of union soldiers is swept up into a vortex and taken to another dimension. There they find peoples of all earth's races and cultures : 16th Century Russia, ancient Carthage, Imperial Rome, Elizabeth's England, and many more.(Not the originals , of course...the descendants of those first brought, who simply reproduce their ancestors' mores.) These people were brought there by a race of giant, intelligent lizards (the Bantag), who regard humans as useful slaves and a food source. Unfortunately for them, each time they try to get more humans, the humans' technology and weapons is a little more advanced than the 'shipment' received before...Colonel Andrew Keane, a one armed veteran of many battles, decides to keep his band together, try to overthrow the lizard rulers, and get back home...somehow. Sounds ridiculous, but it's a lot of fun, watching the interaction between the union soldiers and their republican, democratic ideals and the very different ideals and values of the other earth peoples, not to mention the opinions of the Bantag, who are intelligent, cultured beings themselves.


94 posted on 10/09/2001 7:55:04 AM PDT by kaylar
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To: kaylar
The Wild Blue and Gray by William Sanders....South wins the civil war ; WW I starts with US on one side , CSA on other ; Germany invades CSA....
95 posted on 10/09/2001 8:28:29 AM PDT by kaylar
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To: Aurelius
"Seventy 'patriotic free Negroes of Lynchburg' proffered their services to Governor John Letcher 'to act in whatever capacity they may be assigned to them' in defense of Virginia. Even blacks in Vicksburg, Mississippi held a fundraiser for 'de boys in Virginny' which netted one thousand dollars. Norfolk blacks voluntarily erected breastworks while Charles Tinsley, spokesman for a group of black volunteers from Petersburg, vowed they would gladly serve their native state in her hour of trial and stood ready to obey any and all orders. An October of 1861 illustration in Harper's Weekly of a Confederate recruitment parade in Woodstock was led by a public-sprited black man bearing a Virginia state flag.

And how did the Southern papers see the blacks who were fighting and helping the Confederacy?

In paying the negroes at work on the fortifications, we understand that most villainous abuses have been practised. The paymaster requires them to be identified by their overseers, and we are informed that it has been a practice for some of the overseers to charge these poor people ten per cent of their pay as fees for their identification. Who are these overseers, and who is responsible for their conduct? ....In the name of God, is there no justice to be found in the courts of human justice for iniquities like this?---Richmond Examiner, 1862
Both quotes taken from Ervin L. Jordan's, an African-American professor, essay Different Drummers:Black Virginians as Confederate Loyalists

Of course articles like this and the treatment of African Americans were quite different than what we have been taught in schools(government controlled by the winner of the War). Maybe LLAN could explain anecdotal evidence from Union soldiers after the war that witnessed Confederate black and white soldiers together at troop reunions, why the South paid their soldiers of any color the same pay rate(Confederate Congress,1862).

In Charleston, 75 whites rented homes from blacks. By 1860, there were 26 free black residents of Nashville, who with not property in 1850, had managed to accumulate net assets of $1,000. Free blacks prospered as bricklayers, barbers, machinists, carpenters, and in many other professions....About 25% of all free blacks owned slaves. A few of these were men who purchased their family members to protect or free them,but most were people who saw slavery as the best way to economic wealth and independence for themselves. In South Carolina, John Stanley owned 163 and William Ellison owned 97. The Metoyer clan of Louisiana owned nearly 400. By 1860, so many black women in Charleston had inherited or been given slaves and property by white men, and used their property to start successful businesses as caterers, dressmakers, and other small busineses that they owned 70% of the black owned slaves in the city---Black Southerners in Gray, Richard Rollins

Yes there are nine things. Nine things that the north continues to sell as the lie while more and more evidence comes through the cracks from brave African-Americans who are just researching their family history.

96 posted on 10/09/2001 9:07:37 AM PDT by billbears
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To: billbears
Thanks
97 posted on 10/09/2001 9:26:30 AM PDT by Aurelius
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To: billbears
bump for some good info ... got Shelby Foote trilogy on the way to start reading :-)
98 posted on 10/09/2001 3:50:51 PM PDT by fnord
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To: fnord
Lincoln By Carl Sandburg.
99 posted on 10/09/2001 3:58:54 PM PDT by rainingred
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