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JIHAD IN AMERICA - ONLINE VIDEO - by STEVEN EMERSON [Thread II]
FReeper Thread Continuation - Part II ^ | 1995 | Steven Emerson

Posted on 10/08/2001 1:04:51 PM PDT by Star Traveler

-- THREAD II --

This is a continuation of this previous FReeper Thread.

The video which many Muslim groups in the U.S. did not want to be seen:
JIHAD IN AMERICA - ONLINE VIDEO

THIS IS A MUST SEE for everyone! Send it to everyone that you know.

 

I saw Steven Emerson interviewed this morning on one of the national morning news programs (can't remember which one). I believe people won't be able to ignore him now (as they were trying to previously). And the Islamics were trying put put out "negative PR" on him to silence him. I understand (from what I read here) that PBS (who aired it originally) buried it after the Islamics complained and don't sell it anymore on their site.

There is another program from an Israeli citizen that comes at this from another standpoint. The guys's name is Avi Lipkin. He's a Jew, but I don't know if his religion is Judaism or Messianic Christian. He has a web page for that program here. Chuck Missler put up a web page for "Terrorism in America - A Christian Perspective" after the events of September 11. Avi Lipkin says that the Jews need to know that about their only friends in the world are the Christians who know what God has promised Israel. They have, basically, no other friends in the world.

Avi Lipkin has been featured several times on Chuck Missler's radio program (a Christian program and website -- Koinonia House.

Avi Lipkin has a two hour audio program here, and then some other materials to bring people "up to speed" on what is really going on with Israel and the Islamics (and the Arab world). He sounds pretty darned practical and knows his stuff.

People had better know what is going on if we are going to be in a World War, and this is going to turn into a world war and a "clash of civilizations: and "religious war". Osama bin Ladin has thrown down the gauntlet in the two areas of a "clash of civilizations" and a "religious war".

Since God's name (the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob) is at stake here, we can expect Him to pick up the challenge (as He has already said He is going to do here) and destroy all who are against Him. That's what He says in the last chapter.


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1 posted on 10/08/2001 1:04:51 PM PDT by Star Traveler (aldebaran6640@hotmail.com)
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Get a PDF file of this page here.

Center of Peace and Hope in Christ for Afghanistan
Issues Challenge to Moderate Muslims

Recent threats and acts of hatred against American Muslims, Asian Muslims, and non-Muslim Asian Americans across the United States is wrong. The horrible acts of war committed against the United States on September 11 are a fertile ground for wrong headed Americans to demonstrate their ignorance toward people of various ethnic and religious backgrounds.

The Center of Peace and Hope in Christ for Afghanistan condemns this hatred. The United States Constitution allows all Americans to freely worship in the religion of their own choosing. Also, Americans who choose not to worship or adhere to any religion are free to do so.

It is clear that all genuine seekers of truth would not engage in ethnic hatred, bigotry, or acts of violence. Recent statements of Muslim leaders in America that not all Muslims should be blamed for the September 11 are correct. A small percentage of  people who called themselves Muslims are responsible for their own actions. When one who calls himself a Christian commits a crime, not all Christians are responsible for the crime. So too, all Muslims are not responsible for what happened in New York and Washington.

While the government of the United States takes action against these acts of war, people of faith have a great opportunity to assert tolerance toward one another. Now is the time for Christians to demonstrate the love of Christ to our Muslim friends. Christians should pray for God’s greatest blessing on Muslims living as a minority in America.

And now is the time for moderate Muslims to demonstrate their acceptance of Christians and the ideals of tolerance and freedom in our republic. It is exactly this point which is the great need of the hour for Muslim leaders in America to address.

Moderate Muslim leaders need to clearly make the case that as Americans they support the freedom of all people to choose their own religion. Do these moderates tolerate the idea of individual Muslims deciding for themselves what religion to follow?

There are hundreds, if not thousands, of former Muslims in the United States who live under the threat of death because of their own personal decision to no longer follow the Islamic religion. Freedom of religion is a cornerstone of the American republic. Former Muslims do not always experience this aspect of freedom because of the hatred and intolerance of others.

Moderate American Muslims need to clearly denounce those misguided people who, in the name of Islam, call for the death of those who leave the Muslim religion. To do otherwise is to promote  intolerance toward our fellow Americans who choose to no longer adhere to the Muslim religion. And to do otherwise will demonstrate that even the most moderate form of Islam is incompatible with the United States Constitution.

Now is the time for “moderate” Muslim leaders in America to clearly define the limits of their tolerance.

John Marion, Jr. is the director of the Center of Peace and Hope in Christ for Afghanistan in Fairfax County. His email is: afghanjohn@afghanbibles.com. Additional copies of this can be downloaded at: www.AfghanBibles.com .

2 posted on 10/08/2001 1:10:29 PM PDT by JeepInMazar
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3 posted on 10/08/2001 1:10:35 PM PDT by Star Traveler
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4 posted on 10/08/2001 1:11:06 PM PDT by Star Traveler
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Jihad is a two sided war.

Live in peace with us....or die against us.

Choice is everything.

Fortunatly the fanatics are in the minority.

5 posted on 10/08/2001 1:11:48 PM PDT by YOMO
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6 posted on 10/08/2001 1:12:29 PM PDT by Star Traveler
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7 posted on 10/08/2001 1:13:01 PM PDT by Star Traveler
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8 posted on 10/08/2001 1:14:11 PM PDT by Star Traveler
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9 posted on 10/08/2001 1:14:46 PM PDT by Star Traveler
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10 posted on 10/08/2001 1:14:54 PM PDT by Lent
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11 posted on 10/08/2001 1:15:14 PM PDT by Star Traveler
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12 posted on 10/08/2001 1:15:38 PM PDT by Star Traveler
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13 posted on 10/08/2001 1:16:00 PM PDT by Star Traveler
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14 posted on 10/08/2001 1:16:36 PM PDT by Star Traveler
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15 posted on 10/08/2001 1:17:11 PM PDT by Star Traveler
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Avi Lipkin

Victor Mordecai is his pen name and he has a web page. I've included a link to a very good short talk he does on Jews and Christians and Islam PLUS he has the contact NUMBER for ordering the tape: JIHAD in AMERICA: WHAT JEWS AND CHRISTIANS NEED TO KNOW

USE THE REALPLAYER VERSION

17 posted on 10/08/2001 1:24:01 PM PDT by Lent
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18 posted on 10/08/2001 1:34:49 PM PDT by Star Traveler
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19 posted on 10/08/2001 1:35:13 PM PDT by Star Traveler
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20 posted on 10/08/2001 1:35:44 PM PDT by Star Traveler
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21 posted on 10/08/2001 1:36:18 PM PDT by Star Traveler
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22 posted on 10/08/2001 1:36:52 PM PDT by Star Traveler
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23 posted on 10/08/2001 1:38:11 PM PDT by Star Traveler
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Was this the one shown at the house Intelligence committee hearing on CSPN on Sunday? Terrifying.
24 posted on 10/08/2001 1:40:55 PM PDT by beekeeper
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Victor Mordecai is his pen name and he has a web page.

Ahhh..., cool. That's great to know. I've marked it. Thanks.

25 posted on 10/08/2001 1:41:03 PM PDT by Star Traveler
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Avi Lipkin is regular Jew ...not messianic. You can find him on this here excellent mailing list.This list is conservative oriented Israel news and commentary. You get 5-10 emails per day

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26 posted on 10/08/2001 1:42:29 PM PDT by dennisw
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I believe it is ............99% sure
27 posted on 10/08/2001 1:45:21 PM PDT by dennisw
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Was this the one shown at the house Intelligence committee hearing on CSPN on Sunday? Terrifying.

I saw some other FReepers mention it. They said he was on. So that was probably the guy you saw. I wish I had seen him. But, the video is good. Take a look at it.

I also believe someone said they had a condensed version that they showed on CSPAN (of this video Jihad in America). I believe I read here that it was 13 minutes. Perhaps you saw that.

28 posted on 10/08/2001 1:55:18 PM PDT by Star Traveler
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An Uneasy Tolerance

One American Muslim's view of how forces of hatred find a home in otherwise beneficent mosques and Islamic centers

by Mustafa Saied
special to MSNBC.com

Oct. 3 — Ever since America was attacked Sept. 11 by suspected Muslim extremists, there has been a remarkable emphasis on displaying tolerance and understanding towards Muslims living and practicing their faith in the United States. As Americans are called to show respect towards Arabs and Muslims in their midst, it is only fair that the American Muslim community take an introspective look at their own action.

THOUGH THERE ARE many sincere and observant Muslims in America, it is also a fact that in mosques, Islamic centers and Muslim student associations in this country that are funded by extremist factions in Saudi Arabia, anti-American sentiments are commonly intertwined with religious teaching.

As a longtime member of the American Muslim community, I have a unique perspective on this. Born in India, I came to the United States on a student visa. Though the adjustment was easy because it had always been my dream to live here, during my college years I became involved with some extremist Muslim groups. I must admit that some of my conversations on campus were quite insensitive and hateful towards the United States and western civilization as a whole.

I left those ideas behind years ago, when I was fortunately convinced by some friends that these extremist teachings are alien to Islam. Now, as an American resident, I feel it is time to call attention to what goes on inside some Islamic organizations in the United States that function as enclaves of extremism.

RIDICULE AND SUSPICION
Anti-Americanism takes many forms, from a general suspicion of all things non-Muslim to the ridicule of American values and culture, to, in the most extreme cases, outright statements of hatred couched in the language of religion.

In some Muslim communities, it is not unusual for non-Islamic religious or cultural observances to be ridiculed. I have attended Friday congregational prayers in the week before Christmas, Halloween or Thanksgiving in which the sermons are marked with sarcastic references to American religious and cultural practices. This strikes me as hypocritical, especially considering that greetings on the Muslim Eid holidays from non-Muslims are received with pride, but members of most mosques are forbidden to acknowledge their neighbors’ celebration of Christmas or return a holiday greeting.

Parents are increasingly encouraged to send their children to Islamic schools because of a rising sentiment in the American Muslim community that the nation’s public schools are not safe, that they teach anti-Islamic subject matter and that their children are better off surrounded by Muslims rather than non-Muslims. I have not known any of these Islamic schools to encourage or practice the reciting of the Pledge of Allegiance, so I still fail to see how patriotism is in any way condoned, inculcated or preserved in the minds of our children.

The most extreme manifestation of anti-American sentiment is in the handful of mosques, Islamic centers and student groups that are controlled by forces that display a particularly venomous hatred towards the Western society. The teachings of religious experts — ancient ones, like Ibn Taymiyyah, a Saudi scholar of the 13th and 14th centuries — or recent leaders like Saudi Sheikh Albany or Abdul Wahhab are notable for their harsh rulings and strong words against non-Muslims.

SPORTS IN THE SPOTLIGHT
Much of this anti-American sentiment takes place out of sight, cloaked in language most Americans cannot understand and in communal religious activities that take place outside the mainstream. But sometimes it comes to the surface. A few years ago, for instance, when the media focused on basketball star Mahmoud Abdul Rauf’s refusal to stand during the singing of the national anthem, Rauf, then a player on the Denver Nuggets, received a great deal of public support from the American Muslim community.

It’s hard to say exactly why Rauf’s co-religionists rallied to his cause: was it because a Muslim sports hero caught in a controversy deserved unconditional Muslim support? Or was it that these Muslims — many of whom carry American passports — felt the American national anthem did not deserve respect? In the end, Rauf came to terms with the issue by agreeing to stand, but silently pray, during the playing of the national anthem. In the aftermath of Sept. 11, I wonder how many American Muslims now regret their involvement in this cause.

FLAGS AND PASSPORTS
A prevailing argument among some Muslim critics is that the American flag stands for the various oppressions and injustices of American foreign policy. But if the American flag is problematic for some American Muslims, what does holding an American passport represent? If they feel so strongly about it, shouldn’t these critics be turning in their passports?

Muslims living in this country and enjoying its freedoms should stop tolerating hate-filled speeches against the West in its centers and houses of worship. Now is the time to discourage anti-social elements within the Islamic centers and mosques. It is not enough for people to simply say that they do not agree with extremist rhetoric. Individuals have a responsibility to voice their concerns and put the pressure on the community to stop tolerating it.

And, if it comes to this, Muslims of good will should be ready to report extremists in their midst to the proper authorities, if they do not tone down their rhetoric — no matter how pious these extremists may claim to be. We cannot let the brotherhood of religion outweigh the security of our country and the responsibilities we have as American citizens.

Introspection is never really painless. The time has come to step up.

Mustafa Saied wrote this commentary for MSNBC.com

29 posted on 10/08/2001 1:56:34 PM PDT by Gracey
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Avi Lipkin is regular Jew ...not messianic. You can find him on this here excellent mailing list.This list is conservative oriented Israel news and commentary. You get 5-10 emails per day

Well, that's good to know. I wasn't sure, but I suspected as much. And I'll sign up on the mailing list. I'm getting all sorts of good info here... :-) :-)

30 posted on 10/08/2001 1:58:48 PM PDT by Star Traveler
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S-T, our Country will soon be littered with DEAD ARABS, if the INS doesn't ship them back to their homelands real damned soon!

It is insanity to allow Arabs to remain in this country!

It is also insanity to believe that our DOJ will do a single-damned-thing to stop these terrorists from carrying-out their plans! They depend on our laws, and spit in our faces!

The Original Militia will eventually solve this problem, but at a terrible cost. The Federal Government is responsible for protecting all American Citizens. When the Government fails its' duty, the Citizen-Militia will protect itself.

Now we know what the Second Ammendment means! I need more ammo....FRegards

31 posted on 10/08/2001 1:59:38 PM PDT by gonzo
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32 posted on 10/08/2001 1:59:54 PM PDT by Star Traveler
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33 posted on 10/08/2001 2:01:08 PM PDT by Star Traveler
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34 posted on 10/08/2001 2:01:52 PM PDT by Star Traveler
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35 posted on 10/08/2001 2:02:54 PM PDT by Star Traveler
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Wonder when PBS will show it? Looks like they buried it.
36 posted on 10/08/2001 2:10:29 PM PDT by spycatcher
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BTTT
37 posted on 10/08/2001 2:18:23 PM PDT by borkrules
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Thanks for posting this.
38 posted on 10/08/2001 2:22:23 PM PDT by bloodmeridian
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FBI Website

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Call the FBI Toll Free at 1-866-483-5137
if you see or hear anything that threatens our national security.

39 posted on 10/08/2001 2:31:33 PM PDT by 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub
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40 posted on 10/08/2001 2:46:13 PM PDT by Star Traveler
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41 posted on 10/08/2001 2:46:37 PM PDT by Star Traveler
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42 posted on 10/08/2001 2:47:27 PM PDT by Star Traveler
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43 posted on 10/08/2001 2:47:54 PM PDT by Star Traveler
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44 posted on 10/08/2001 2:48:29 PM PDT by Star Traveler
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Thanks!
45 posted on 10/08/2001 3:02:54 PM PDT by aruanan
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46 posted on 10/08/2001 3:14:56 PM PDT by freedomnews
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I'm watching the downloaded realplayer version of the documentary. It's pretty disturbing stuff. The rm file is about 8 megs and takes about an hour to get over a slow dialup connection but is worth it. I am coming to the conclusion that everyone seen in the videos at these America hate rallies should be placed in sealed cargo containers, towed to sea and dumped. Perhaps put them in places to encourage the growth of coral reefs and sport fishing.
47 posted on 10/08/2001 3:34:00 PM PDT by SpaceBar
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I'm watching the downloaded realplayer version of the documentary. It's pretty disturbing stuff.

Yep, it is. This should give people the information and the determination to do something about it -- and -- to stick with it -- plus get more and correct information about it (and not "PC-type pablum"). It's something that will have to be done long term. This won't go away overnight.

48 posted on 10/08/2001 4:36:57 PM PDT by Star Traveler
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Thanks! Played it a few weeks ago. Keep it up!

Kudos!

49 posted on 10/08/2001 5:03:00 PM PDT by FReethesheeples
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Thanks! Played it a few weeks ago. Keep it up!

Kudos!

50 posted on 10/08/2001 5:03:04 PM PDT by FReethesheeples
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