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OUR LADY AND ISLAM: HEAVENíS PEACE PLAN
http://www.ewtn.com/library/MARY/OLISLAM.HTM ^ | September - October 2001 | Fr Ladis J. Cizik, Blue Army National Executive Director

Posted on 10/09/2001 8:21:36 PM PDT by Diago

OUR LADY AND ISLAM: HEAVEN’S PEACE PLAN
Fr Ladis J. Cizik, Blue Army National Executive Director

Islam Islam is an Arabic word that can be defined as "to make peace." Islam is the religion founded by Mohammed, which considers the Koran as its holy book. In addition, Islam accepts the New Testament of the Christians and the Old Testament of the Jews as Divinely inspired works. Followers of Islam are known as Muslims (also: Moors, Turks, and Moslems) and, just as Jews and Christians, believe in only one God. Yet, over the centuries, Muslims have engaged in tremendous wars with Christians and Jews. It would seem that there is little hope for peace. However, Heaven's Peace Plan, involving Our Lady, is evidenced at Fatima, Portugal as well as other places around the world.

Fatima

The Moors once occupied Portugal. The village of Fatima was given the Islamic name of the well-loved Princess of the nearby Castle of Ourem. She died at an early age after marrying the Count of Ourem and converting to Catholicism. Baptized with the Christian name of Oureana, she was named at birth "Fatima," like many other Moslem girls, in honor of the daughter of Mohammed. Of his daughter, Fatima, the founder of Islam, Mohammed, said: "She has the highest place in heaven after the Virgin Mary."

It is a fact that Moslems from various nations, especially from the Middle East, make so many pilgrimages to Our Lady of Fatima's Shrine in Portugal that Portuguese officials have expressed concern. The combination of an Islamic name and Islamic devotion to the Blessed Virgin Mary is a great attraction to Moslems. God is writing straight with crooked lines, as we will see. Fatima is a part of Heaven's Peace Plan. It is hope for the world.

The Koran

In the Koran, the holy name of the Blessed Virgin Mary is mentioned no less than thirty times. No other woman's name is even mentioned, not even that of Mohammed's daughter, Fatima. Among men, only Abraham, Moses, and Noah are mentioned more times than Our Lady. In the Koran, Our Blessed Mother is described as "Virgin, ever Virgin." The Islamic belief in the virginity of Mary puts to shame the heretical beliefs of those who call themselves Christian, while denying the perpetual virginity of Mary. Make no mistake about it, there is a very special relationship between the Blessed Virgin Mary and the Moslems!

The Holy Land

The Holy Land has been a real battleground between the Islamic peoples and Christianity over the centuries. Evidence of this are the numerous churches and basilicas that have been built by the Church, destroyed by, the Moslems, rebuilt by Catholic Crusaders, leveled again by the followers of Islam, and so on over the course of history. However, there is one remarkable exception: the Basilica of Saint Anne in Jerusalem.

The Crusaders built this church and named it in honor of the mother of the Blessed Virgin Mary. In the Crypt of St. Anne's Basilica, a statue of the Infant Mary is venerated on what is believed to be the exact spot where Our Lady was born. Their great reverence for Our Lady precluded the Moslems from destroying her birthplace. The foundation for Heaven's Peace Plan at Fatima, Portugal, can be found in the Land of Our Lord Jesus Christ.

Spain

As the Moslems swept through Spain in the 8th century, a great religious treasure was buried for safe-keeping in the earth, high in the Estremadura Mountains. It was a much venerated statue of Our Lady holding the Divine Child Jesus that was a gift of Pope Gregory the Great to Bishop Leander of Seville. After the overthrow of Moorish occupation, the image was uncovered in the year 1326, subsequent to a vision of Our Lady to a humble shepherd by the name of Gil. Our Lady's very special statue was enshrined in a nearby Franciscan Monastery next to the "Wolf River."

The Moslems, during their Spanish occupation, had actually named the river. The Islamic term for Wolf River is "Guadalupe" (Guada = River; Lupe = Wolf). Hence, the famous Catholic image in Spain has been known, since the 14th century, by the Islamic name of "Our Lady of Guadalupe."

Mexico

In the fullness of time, we can be sure that Almighty God knew that the Islamic religion would pose a serious threat to Christianity. God also knew that the Spanish missionaries would face grave resistance in the "new world" from the mighty Aztec Indians. The Aztecs worshipped an evil stone "serpent god" that demanded human sacrifice. It was extremely difficult to win souls for Christ from these bloodthirsty savages. However, with God all things are possible. Our Lady appeared to a humble Aztec Indian convert by the name of Juan Diego in 1531. When asked her name by Juan Diego, at the request of the local bishop, Our Lady's response, in the Aztec language, included the words "te coatlaxopeuh" (pronounced: "te quatlasupe") and meant "one who crushes the head of the stone serpent."

To Juan Diego and his fellow Aztecs, this revelation had great meaning, coupled with the miraculous image of Our Lady standing on top of a "crescent," the symbol of this evil serpent god. A tidal wave of conversions to Catholicism ensued. However, Bishop Zumarraga, who was from Spain, made what was no doubt a "heavenly mistake" that one day may lead to the mass conversion of Moslems. To the Bishop's Spanish ears, Our Lady's Aztec name of "Te Quatlasupe" sounded just like the name of the revered Madonna from Spain with the Islamic name, "Guadalupe." Hence, the bishop named the Mexican Madonna "Our Lady of Guadalupe." It is interesting that the "crescent" is also the symbol for Islam and that America's Shrine to Our Lady has an Islamic name.

Battle of Lepanto

On October 7, 1571, a great victory over the mighty Turkish fleet was won by Catholic naval forces primarily from Spain, Venice, and Genoa under the command of Don Juan of Austria. It was the last battle at sea between "oared" ships, which featured the most powerful navy in the world, a Moslem force with between 12,000 to 15,000 Christian slaves as rowers. The patchwork team of Catholic ships was powered by the Holy Rosary of the Blessed Virgin Mary. Knowing that the Christian forces were at a distinct material disadvantage, the holy pontiff, St. Pope Pius V called for all of Europe to pray the Rosary for victory.

We know today that the victory was decisive, prevented the Islamic invasion of Europe, and evidenced the Hand of God working through Our Lady. At the hour of victory, St. Pope Pius V, who was hundreds of miles away at the Vatican, is said to have gotten up from a meeting, went over to a window, and exclaimed with supernatural radiance: "The Christian fleet is victorious!" and shed tears of thanksgiving to God.

What you may not know is that one of three admirals commanding the Catholic forces at Lepanto was Andrea Doria. He carried a small copy of Mexico's Our Lady of Guadalupe into battle. This image is now enshrined in the Church of San Stefano in Aveto, Italy. Not many know that at the Monastery of Our Lady of Guadalupe in Spain, one can view a huge warship lantern that was captured from the Moslems in the Battle of Lepanto. In Rome, look up to the ceiling of S. Maria in Aracoeli and behold decorations in gold taken from the Turkish galleys. In the Doges' Palace in Venice, Italy, one can witness a giant Islamic flag that is now a trophy from a vanquished Turkish ship from the Victory. At Saint Mary Major Basilica in Rome, close to the tomb of the great St. Pope Pius V, one was once able to view yet another Islamic flag from the Battle, until 1965, when it was returned to Istanbul in an intended friendly token of concord.

The Rosary

At Lepanto, the Victory over the Moslems was won by the faithful praying the Rosary. Even though they had superior numbers, the Turks really were overmatched. Blessed Padre Pio, the Spiritual Father of the Blue Army, said: "The Rosary is the weapon," and how right he was!

The Battle of Lepanto was at first celebrated liturgically as "Our Lady of Victory." Later, the feast of October 7th was renamed "Our Lady of the Rosary" and extended throughout the Universal Church by Pope Clement XI in 1716 (who canonized Pope Pius V in 1712).

And with that we are back to Fatima, Portugal where Our Lady, when asked her name, said: "I am the Lady of the Rosary." At Fatima, Our Lady taught us to pray the Rosary every day. Heaven presented its peace plan at Fatima and truly gave us hope for the world. Conversions were promised at Fatima: the conversion of sinners; the conversion of Russia; and what also appears to be the conversion of Islam. Our Lady of the Rosary, pray for us!

Taken from:
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© 2001 The Blue Army of Our Lady of Fatima, U.S.A., Inc.
September - October 2001, page 6
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1 posted on 10/09/2001 8:21:36 PM PDT by Diago
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To: gkbelloc; protectrunborn; mother of eight; patent; fatima;
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2 posted on 10/09/2001 8:23:04 PM PDT by Diago
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To: Diago
The scipture says a lot about the queen of heaven.
3 posted on 10/09/2001 8:30:22 PM PDT by OHelix
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To: JMJ333
FYI
4 posted on 10/09/2001 8:44:21 PM PDT by gcruse
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To: patent
time to bump?
5 posted on 10/09/2001 8:54:03 PM PDT by tiki
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To: Diago
If those of Islam do not renounce Mohammad as a false prophet and confess that Christ is the only begotten Son of God they are lost in their sins!

For there is only one way to the Father and that is through Christ the Son.

Phill AKA kansas flatlander

6 posted on 10/09/2001 9:10:51 PM PDT by kansas_flatlander
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To: Diago
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7 posted on 10/09/2001 9:23:24 PM PDT by patent
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To: Diago
Very interesting article.
8 posted on 10/09/2001 9:39:11 PM PDT by FITZ
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To: Diago
Bump for later reading.
9 posted on 10/09/2001 9:52:54 PM PDT by BlueAngel
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To: Diago
Opinions differ about the etymology of "Guadalupe". Wadi lupe (wolf river) seems unintuitive to me. A competing theory is that it means "hidden river" (implying that the river sometimes ran dry.
10 posted on 10/09/2001 10:16:06 PM PDT by Romulus
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To: father_elijah; pyro7480
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11 posted on 10/10/2001 5:51:39 PM PDT by Diago
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To: Diago

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12 posted on 10/11/2001 3:48:36 AM PDT by ppaul
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To: Diago
Thanks for the heads up,I do have that article and spoke about it.This Saturday Oct.13 is the anniversary of the miracle of the sun.All are in our prayers at a special Mass at 10 AM Saturday.
13 posted on 10/11/2001 5:17:45 PM PDT by fatima
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To: HapaxLegamenon
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14 posted on 10/12/2001 5:26:36 PM PDT by Diago
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To: Dominus Vobiscum; smorgle; soccermom; Rum Tum Tugger; Campion
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15 posted on 10/12/2001 5:35:57 PM PDT by Diago
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To: classygreeneyedblonde, I got the rope, TonyInOhio, marie99, Mat_Helm, Squire
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16 posted on 10/12/2001 5:36:47 PM PDT by Diago
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17 posted on 10/12/2001 5:38:02 PM PDT by Diago
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To: Diago
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18 posted on 10/12/2001 5:44:54 PM PDT by independentmind
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To: Diago
Good read.
19 posted on 10/12/2001 5:48:21 PM PDT by Squire
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To: 2sheep, Thinkin' Gal, RnMomof7, xzins, MissAmericanPie, Prodigal Daughter
The Koran

In the Koran, the holy name of the Blessed Virgin Mary is mentioned no less than thirty times. No other woman's name is even mentioned, not even that of Mohammed's daughter, Fatima. Among men, only Abraham, Moses, and Noah are mentioned more times than Our Lady. In the Koran, Our Blessed Mother is described as "Virgin, ever Virgin." The Islamic belief in the virginity of Mary puts to shame the heretical beliefs of those who call themselves Christian, while denying the perpetual virginity of Mary. Make no mistake about it, there is a very special relationship between the Blessed Virgin Mary and the Moslems!

This sure has some people excited on this thread! The Moslems took The Law of YHWY and totally perverted it! How clever of Satan, he knows what buttons to push! If I give you a muffin baked with wholesome ingredients and just a "little arsenic" - it is still posion! If I give you a half truth -- I have given you a whole lie!

20 posted on 10/12/2001 5:59:33 PM PDT by TrueBeliever9
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To: Diago
I thought that Jesus is the Prince of Peace! I have never seen anywhere in the Bible that Mary is heaven's peace plan! Jesus is our only Savior! No other can give entrance into the Throne Room.
21 posted on 10/12/2001 6:04:35 PM PDT by TrueBeliever9
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To: Diago
Thanks for the post
22 posted on 10/12/2001 6:13:52 PM PDT by moodymare
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To: OHelix
When the Israelites were in disobedience to God and rebellion against His Word, they were making sacrifices to the queen of heaven.
23 posted on 10/12/2001 6:16:23 PM PDT by Woodkirk
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To: fatima
My mother was named Fatima after an aunt who was named for Mohammed's daughter. I've read all about Our Lady of Fatima since I used to be a Catholic. I advise you and any other Catholic to research what Moslems tell other Moslems about who Jesus Christ is. Moslems are not going to compromise Islam and accept Jesus Christ just because of the Fatima coincidence.
24 posted on 10/12/2001 6:22:44 PM PDT by Prodigal Daughter
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To: Diago; patent; Askel5; FR Catholics
A Catholic nun in Syria has told me of her special intention for October 13th this year. Because part of the truth about Our Lord and Our Lady is told in Islam, she will be praying for the entire truth of Jesus and Mary to be revealed to the Muslim people around the world. She believes Our Lady and Our Lord will be appearing to Muslims either through dreams or apparitions inviting them to embrace the truth of the Gospel of Jesus Christ.

I believe this is a most worthy intention for all Catholics, and I wanted to share it with you and other Catholics on FR. I will also be praying the Chaplet of Divine Mercy at 3 in the aftermoon on October 13th. I heartily encourage Saint Faustina's devotion to the Divine Mercy at this time of crisis. God bless and keep US safe.

25 posted on 10/12/2001 6:24:58 PM PDT by father_elijah
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To: TrueBeliever9
Moroccan Hand of Fatima Pendant:

Worn by Berber women & bellydancers, this 2" sterling silver filigree pendant protects against the Evil Eye! This is a prevalent symbol in the Middle East named after Fatima, the daughter of Mohammed. One story has it that Fatima was so upset when she saw her husband with his latest beautiful young concubine, that she burned her hand by unwittingly stirring the cooking food with it. Also known in Hebrew as Hamsa, the protective hand of God. 18" sterling silver chain included.

Note the Hand of Fatima jewelry in the 1914 photo of a young girl from Tunisia.

26 posted on 10/12/2001 6:34:50 PM PDT by Prodigal Daughter
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To: Prodigal Daughter
Haha, I almost posted the same image. Notice that the hand of Miriam/Fatima is usually positioned upside down. But wait, that's not really a middle finger. That 'hand' is something else. Some designs are more graphic than others.
27 posted on 10/12/2001 6:59:03 PM PDT by Thinkin' Gal
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To: Thinkin' Gal
I never thought about that. That makes a lot of sense.

(I first hit private reply by mistake, you can disregard)

28 posted on 10/12/2001 7:03:59 PM PDT by Prodigal Daughter
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To: TrueBeliever9
That is how Satan works, he will tell 99% of the truth, to get you to swallow that 1% lie that takes you down.
29 posted on 10/12/2001 10:15:01 PM PDT by MissAmericanPie
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To: father_elijah
Will do. thanks.
30 posted on 10/12/2001 11:20:33 PM PDT by Askel5
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To: father_elijah
Could you tell me what The Chaplet of Divine Mercy is please???
31 posted on 10/13/2001 4:13:19 AM PDT by Ann Archy
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To: Diago
If Muslims REALLY accept the New Testament, then why do they continue to believe Mohammed? Mohammed said there were virgins is heaven. Christ said there is neither male nor female but we would be like angels. Mohammed said to NOT accept it when Chrisitans said that Christ is the WAY to heaven. Christ said, "I am the WAY, the TRUTH, and the LIFE, NO man comes to the Father but by ME."...GOD DOES NOT SPEAK WITH A FORKED TONGUE.
32 posted on 10/13/2001 4:19:40 AM PDT by Moby Grape
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To: kansas_flatlander
Thanks for your post....The New Testament also says that there is only ONE mediator between God and man....JESUS....no one else.
33 posted on 10/13/2001 4:21:21 AM PDT by Moby Grape
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To: Ann Archy
Here is a link to a page on Catholicity.org:

The Chaplet of Divine Mercy

Part of the Chaplet includes these worlds:
For the sake of His sorrowful Passion:
have mercy on us and on the whole world.

34 posted on 10/13/2001 5:39:01 AM PDT by father_elijah
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To: father_elijah
Thank you.
35 posted on 10/13/2001 8:09:26 AM PDT by Ann Archy
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To: TrueBeliever9
Thats interesting true..
36 posted on 10/13/2001 8:18:06 AM PDT by RnMomof7
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To: Uriel1975; Jerry_M; the_doc; CCWoody; spudgin; JenB; oneofhis; Diamond; Matchett-PI...
An interesting connection...
37 posted on 10/13/2001 8:20:11 AM PDT by RnMomof7
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To: RnMomof7
It may be interesting, but Christ is the only way to the Father and the only mediator between God and man.
39 posted on 10/13/2001 11:36:58 AM PDT by sola gracia
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To: Diago; Jerry_M; RnMomof7
In addition, Islam accepts the New Testament of the Christians and the Old Testament of the Jews as Divinely inspired works.

Sentence 3, first misrepresentation/distortion/lie. Followers of Islam can only believe that the Bible is the Inspired Word of God if if they disregard or distort what is written in the Bible. Their belief that Jesus is only a prophet is clearly spoken about in the Bible everywhere:

But unto the Son He saith, "Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever; a scepter of righteousness is the scepter of Thy Kingdom.
The Islamic belief in the virginity of Mary puts to shame the heretical beliefs of those who call themselves Christian, while denying the perpetual virginity of Mary. Make no mistake about it, there is a very special relationship between the Blessed Virgin Mary and the Moslems!

Putting aside our differences concerning the "perptual" virginity of Mary, only a fool would think that even if their is a special relationship between her and the Moslems that it is worth anything. The Bible clearly teaches that there is only One name under heaven which will save:

And it shall come to pass that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved.'

Neither is there salvation in any other, for there is no other name under heaven given among men whereby we must be saved."

For "whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved."

In the Crypt of St. Anne's Basilica, a statue of the Infant Mary is venerated on what is believed to be the exact spot where Our Lady was born.

Not unto Mary, but unto the Lord give glory; for His mercy and His truths sake:

They have mouths, but they speak not; eyes have they, but they see not. They have ears, but they hear not; noses have they, but they smell not. They have hands, but they handle not; feet have they, but they walk not; neither speak they through their throat. They that make them are like unto them; so is everyone that trusteth in them.
Our Lady appeared to a humble Aztec Indian convert by the name of Juan Diego in 1531.

How come it is that the only "conversion" stories I hear about the RC is a vision of Mary? I would think that if one wanted to be saved that a vision of God would be much more comforting.

40 posted on 10/14/2001 6:21:04 PM PDT by CCWoody
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To: Diago
Knowing that the Christian forces were at a distinct material disadvantage, the holy pontiff, St. Pope Pius V called for all of Europe to pray the Rosary for victory.

Not a particularly accurate description of the Battle of Lepanto. The two sides were pretty equal in numbers, but the Christians had greatly superior firepower. They used the newfangled firearms to a much greater extent, while the Turks depended on the old-fashioned composite bow.

41 posted on 10/14/2001 6:27:34 PM PDT by Restorer
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To: sola gracia
But I am sure that even you were Baptised by a third person, and go to Church services preached by a third person. While it is certainly that true Christ is the only way to the Father, it is false in the sense that you use it. If it were true in your sense of the words, why would you or anyone else need a Pastor, or even the bible for that matter
42 posted on 10/14/2001 6:28:03 PM PDT by HapaxLegamenon
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To: HapaxLegamenon; sola gracia
But I am sure that even you were Baptised by a third person, and go to Church services preached by a third person. While it is certainly that true Christ is the only way to the Father, it is false in the sense that you use it. If it were true in your sense of the words, why would you or anyone else need a Pastor, or even the bible for that matter.

What is the role of the "third person" in salvation and Spiritual Baptism?

1 Timothy 2:5 For there is one God and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus,...

43 posted on 10/14/2001 6:41:01 PM PDT by CCWoody
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To: CCWoody
1 Timothy 2:5 For there is one God and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus,...

One of my favorite scriptures..It answers all questions on how one approaches the throne of God....

44 posted on 10/14/2001 8:31:58 PM PDT by RnMomof7
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To: Restorer
Not a particularly accurate description of the Battle of Lepanto.

Don Juan, of course, appreciated that ramming would be less effective than gunfire. Let's not, however, forget a "Christian" shift in the wind at a critical moment.

45 posted on 10/14/2001 8:38:55 PM PDT by RobbyS
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To: CCWoody
But a countless number of mediators between Jesus and us, including my mother and father, or so I believe.
46 posted on 10/14/2001 8:40:56 PM PDT by RobbyS
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To: RobbyS
The Christian fleet's biggest advantage was a number of huge (for the time) Venetian ships that were able to mount heavy artillery. They did a dandy job of smashing up the lightly-built Turkish galleys. There is also some indication that internal Turkish feuds caused at least one Turkish commander to hang back and allow a rival to be defeated.
47 posted on 10/14/2001 8:42:22 PM PDT by Restorer
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To: TrueBeliever9
"In the Koran, the holy name of the Blessed Virgin Mary is mentioned no less than thirty times. No other woman's name is even mentioned, not even that of Mohammed's daughter, Fatima. Among men, only Abraham, Moses, and Noah are mentioned more times than Our Lady. In the Koran, Our Blessed Mother is described as "Virgin, ever Virgin." The Islamic belief in the virginity of Mary puts to shame the heretical beliefs of those who call themselves Christian, while denying the perpetual virginity of Mary. Make no mistake about it, there is a very special relationship between the Blessed Virgin Mary and the Moslems!"

Good grief! So Catholics are all excited about the imaginary ramblings of Mohammed's daughter - Fatima? Geesh. Seem like Catholics have more in common with Muslims that Christians. Especially when you compare how intolerant Catholics were to Christians during the Crusades and the Inquisition.

The Bible makes NO claim that Mary was a "perpetual" virgin. Zilcho. This is another man made claim. Mary was blessed AMONGST many women. She was strictly a vessel for the birth of Jesus. Nothing more. Catholicism is not Christian so the beliefs etc. will not reflect the teachings of God and later Jesus.

Today it is genuine Christians and Jews that will continue to be hated for His names sake.

48 posted on 10/14/2001 8:52:47 PM PDT by nmh
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To: OHelix
#3, indeed the Bible does say alot about the queen of heaven and none of it is good.

Jer.7;18

[18] The children gather wood, and the fathers kindle the fire, and the women knead their dough, to make cakes to the queen of heaven, and to pour out drink offerings unto other gods, that they may provoke me to anger.
Jer.44:17-25

[17] But we will certainly do whatsoever thing goeth forth out of our own mouth, to burn incense unto the queen of heaven, and to pour out drink offerings unto her, as we have done, we, and our fathers, our kings, and our princes, in the cities of Judah, and in the streets of Jerusalem: for then had we plenty of victuals, and were well, and saw no evil.

[18] But since we left off to burn incense to the queen of heaven, and to pour out drink offerings unto her, we have wanted all things, and have been consumed by the sword and by the famine.

[19] And when we burned incense to the queen of heaven, and poured out drink offerings unto her, did we make her cakes to worship her, and pour out drink offerings unto her, without our men?

[25] Thus saith the LORD of hosts, the God of Israel, saying; Ye and your wives have both spoken with your mouths, and fulfilled with your hand, saying, We will surely perform our vows that we have vowed, to burn incense to the queen of heaven, and to pour out drink offerings unto her: ye will surely accomplish your vows, and surely perform your vows.

Read on for the ful extent of the Judeo-Christian God and His anger at this idoltry. Marianoloy, worshipping Mary, praying to ber ... all for naught. God views it as a distraction and another idol. It pisses Him off. Yet, Catholics will continue to disobey Him. What the Bible says doesn't matter to them. It is that of another Gospel that they follow and certainly NOT Christian.

49 posted on 10/14/2001 8:59:12 PM PDT by nmh
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To: nmh
Catholicism is not Christian so the beliefs etc. will not reflect the teachings of God and later Jesus.

What gives you the right to say what is Chistian, ypur whose teachingsr are contrary to the opinion of the great majority of Christians throughout the centuries. Claims that you and you alone rightly read the Scriptures is merely that, a claim. To put it simply: Fellow, that's YOUR opinion! I see it differently.

50 posted on 10/14/2001 9:04:31 PM PDT by RobbyS
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