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Possible anthrax match found: Fatal strain may be tied to source from 1950s
Miami Herald Online ^ | Wednesday, October 10, 2001 | BY DAVID KIDWELL, MANNY GARCIA AND LARRY LEBOWITZ

Posted on 10/10/2001 3:00:57 AM PDT by JohnHuang2

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To: crypt2k
>One possible vector begins at the printing presses of newpapers and magazines. Dust trapped between pages could infect the unspecting subscriber or supermarket checkout line browser.

The only problem with that is some FReeprs did some research and found out that their papers are printed regionally, so....if it's terrorists, they are incredibly incompetent, or this isn't some big masterminded plot (which everybody seems to be ignoring the fact that the photo editor and somebody in the mail room would not be working the presses even if there were presses there so wouldn't be exposed).

21 posted on 10/10/2001 5:31:11 AM PDT by texlok
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To: DWSUWF
>Which is not to say that a newspaper can't be used as a delivery vector for anthrax spores, a determined group could do this. But it would almost certainly require the compromise of the print shop, with terrorists hand-sifting the spores into the finished newspapers pages after the printing and folding processes have been completed.

Which rules out a photo editor and mail room guy getting accidently exposed to it. This is sounding more and more like it's incredibly manpower intensive for so few results.

22 posted on 10/10/2001 5:33:22 AM PDT by texlok
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To: Lorraine
Where the heck are these 70 people?

Out sick??

23 posted on 10/10/2001 5:40:08 AM PDT by TheRightGuy
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To: JohnHuang2
Raymond Zilinskas, senior scientist at the Monterey Institute of International Studies, said Northern Arizona University in Flagstaff, Ariz., and Los Alamos National Laboratory in Los Alamos, N.M., have collections of anthrax ``sequences'' from around the world
24 posted on 10/10/2001 5:43:31 AM PDT by Thoreau
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To: Ada Coddington
I doubt the hijackers had access to that supply, or at least direct access.

They have Arabs working in microbiology labs and university research. They do have access to just about everything.

25 posted on 10/10/2001 5:44:25 AM PDT by FITZ
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To: FITZ
Maybe even at Iowa State and Northern Arizona Universities. Check out the graduate students. A lot of them are from the countries so often mentioned in the last few weeks. Student and employment visas seem to be real easy to get, at least if you're from the Middle East or PRC.
26 posted on 10/10/2001 5:49:31 AM PDT by pttttt
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To: JohnHuang2
Yes and I bet it comes from Pine Bluff Arsenal Arsenal Arkansas!
28 posted on 10/10/2001 5:54:10 AM PDT by BellStar
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To: JohnHuang2
check out the article I posted regarding HAZMAT investigations in Detroit area - white powder is showing up in mail packages both in businesses and private homes, and in files at a local bank.

The title of the post is: Hazmat Investigations Keep Crews Busy

29 posted on 10/10/2001 5:58:31 AM PDT by mostlyundecided
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To: Ada Coddington
"About the only places I can think of that might have had a strain on file is the USDA's National Animal Disease Lab in Ames, and perhaps the vet school at Iowa State University...

I doubt the hijackers had access to that supply, or at least direct access."

Both universities, particularly in their scientific and technical departments, are LOADED with foreign students and staff from all over the world.

30 posted on 10/10/2001 6:00:01 AM PDT by Irene Adler
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To: Queen Elizabeth of Iowa
Sorry, I meant both Iowa State, the one named specifically in the quote, and University of Iowa, which actually was NOT referred to in the quote. Both do have many foreign students and staff, but the original reference I was replying to did not include the U. of Iowa.
31 posted on 10/10/2001 6:02:05 AM PDT by Irene Adler
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To: Lorraine
probably hiding in bushes getting those awful shots of celebs we always see on the front page while standing in the checkout line! 70 sleeze prying eyes still missing!
32 posted on 10/10/2001 6:04:12 AM PDT by D. Miles
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To: FITZ
"They have Arabs working in microbiology labs and university research. They do have access to just about everything."

Yes, there are foreign nationals from many countries working in research labs across the country in various disciplines (biology, chemistry, physics, etc.). Not just from Arab countries but also plenty of ChiComs. Most I have known seem to truly loathe their home government, but it would be very easy to plant agents into these labs. Scary stuff.

33 posted on 10/10/2001 6:07:21 AM PDT by Boss_Jim_Gettys
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To: LurkingSince'98
The anthrax could have been disseminated worldwide, just through one researchers request from Bulgaria, Syria, Iraq, etc.

Request signed for approval by Professor Saddam Hussein, Ph.D.

34 posted on 10/10/2001 6:09:22 AM PDT by Nogbad
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To: JohnHuang2
Meanwhile, investigators confirmed that two hijackers who died in the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks had subscriptions to tabloid newspapers published in the Boca Raton headquarters of American Media Inc., where photo editor Robert Stevens is believed to have contracted the fatal disease.

``We're not sure what to make of that yet,'' a source close to the inquiry said. ``It may mean absolutely nothing.''

Maybe they just appreciate good journalism.

35 posted on 10/10/2001 6:15:25 AM PDT by rogers21774
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To: lorraine; john huang2; keith_in_iowa; ada_coddington; john_w; crypt2k; eurofrog; VA_Advogado; pttttt

The Riegle Report

U.S. Chemical and Biological Warfare-Related Dual Use Exports to Iraq and their Possible Impact on the Health Consequences of the Gulf War

A Report of Chairman Donald W. Riegle, Jr. and Ranking Member Alfonse M. D'Amato of the Committee on Banking, Housing and Urban Affairs with Respect to Export Administration

United States Senate, 103d Congress, 2d Session
May 25, 1994

http://www.gulfweb.org/bigdoc/report/riegle1.html

http://www.gulfweb.org/bigdoc/report/r_1_2.html#biotoxins

U.S. Exports of Biological Materials to Iraq

The Senate Committee on Banking, Housing, and Urban Affairs has oversight responsibility for the Export Administration Act. Pursuant to the Act, Committee staff contacted the U.S. Department of Commerce and requested information on the export of biological materials during the years prior to the Gulf War. After receiving this information, we contacted a principal supplier of these materials to determine what, if any, materials were exported to Iraq which might have contributed to an offensive or defensive biological warfare program. Records available from the supplier for the period from 1985 until the present show that during this time, pathogenic (meaning "disease producing"), toxigenic (meaning "poisonous"), and other biological research materials were exported to Iraq pursuant to application and licensing by the U.S. Department of Commerce. Records prior to 1985 were not available, according to the supplier. These exported biological materials were not attenuated or weakened and were capable of reproduction. According to the Department of Defense's own Report to Congress on the Conduct of the Persian Gulf War, released in April 1992: "By the time of the invasion of Kuwait, Iraq had developed biological weapons. It's advanced and aggressive biological warfare program was the most advanced in the Arab world... The program probably began late in the 1970's and concentrated on the development of two agents, botulinum toxin and anthrax bacteria... Large scale production of these agents began in 1989 at four facilities in Baghdad. Delivery means for biological agents ranged from simple aerial bombs and artillery rockets to surface-to-surface missiles."

Included in the approved sales are the following biological materials (which have been considered by various nations for use in war), with their associated disease symptoms:

Bacillus Anthracis: anthrax is a disease producing bacteria identified by the Department of Defense in The Conduct of the Persian Gulf War: Final Report to Contress, as being a major component in the Iraqi biological warfare program.

Anthrax is an often fatal infectious disease due to ingestion of spores. It begins abruptly with high fever, difficulty in breathing, and chest pain. The disease eventually results in septicemia (blood poisoning), and the mortality is high. Once septicemia is advanced, antibiotic therapy may prove useless, probably because the exotoxins remain, despite the death of the bacteria.

.......

[Here is a list of shipments from the U.S. to Iraq of Anthrax.  I'm wondering if a Freeper could determine which of these agents might tag to export from Iowa?]

Date : May 2, 1986 Sent To : Ministry of Higher Education Materials Shipped:

1. Bacillus Anthracis Cohn (ATCC 10) Batch # 08-20-82 (2 each) Class III pathogen

....

12. Bacillus Anthracis (ATCC 14185) Batch #01-14-80 (3 each) G.G. Wright (Fort Detrick) V770-NP1-R. Bovine Anthrax Class III pathogen

13. Bacillus Anthracis (ATCC 14578) Batch #01-06-78 (2 each) Class III pathogen

....

Date : September 29, 1988 Sent To : Ministry of Trade Materials Shipped:

1. Bacillus anthracis (ATCC 240) Batch # 05-14-63 (3 each) Class III pathogen

2. Bacillus anthracis (ATCC 938) Batch # 1963 (3 each) Class III pathogen

.....

5. Bacillus anthracis (ATCC 8705) Batch # 06-27-62 (3 each) Class III pathogen

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8. Bacillus anthracis (ATCC 11966) Batch #05-05-70 (3 each) Class III pathogen

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36 posted on 10/10/2001 7:04:39 AM PDT by Ranger
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To: Ada Coddington
Could have been a friend of a friend in a terrorist cell that stole it from a lab they worked in in the U.S. These people are everywhere.
37 posted on 10/10/2001 7:07:57 AM PDT by culpeper
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To: Ranger; Queen_Elizabeth_of_Iowa; Bellstar; texlok; Thoreau; fitz; nogbad
See post #36. I noticed in a post on this string that ATCC, referenced in shipments listed, might be the Maryland based company. Also Ft. Deterick is I think where the biological warfare stuff is done.

Supposition: U.S. labs shipment to Iraq for research. Iraq mass produces and provides tech or samples to Bin Laden (reports last month said Iraq sold biological tech to Bin Laden's group which hid missiles and warheads with bio/chem materials in Yemen and them manufacturered it in Sudan). Bin Laden, always willing to share gives it back to U.S. (couldn't get crop duster so used U.S. mail)?

38 posted on 10/10/2001 7:13:02 AM PDT by Ranger
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To: texlok
How long could the spore live in a newspaper? Its probably not the ideal environment. The bacteria must need a degree of moisture, correct temperature, and protection from ultra violet light in order to survive. Curious how long this spore survives outside the lab.
39 posted on 10/10/2001 7:14:51 AM PDT by culpeper
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To: Lorraine
Some are tracking down Sasquatch, some the Loch Ness monster, some are interviewing the Bat Boy and some are desperately looking for Billi been Lyin's legacy. Hey, we are talking important stories here don't rush them.
40 posted on 10/10/2001 7:15:39 AM PDT by justshutupandtakeit
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