Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

Possible anthrax match found: Fatal strain may be tied to source from 1950s
Miami Herald Online ^ | Wednesday, October 10, 2001 | BY DAVID KIDWELL, MANNY GARCIA AND LARRY LEBOWITZ

Posted on 10/10/2001 3:00:57 AM PDT by JohnHuang2

click here to read article


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first previous 1-2021-4041-58 last
To: Ada Coddington
Not so. A lot of foreign nationals are in the U.S. on student visas, many to study at Ag schools. If it is a domestic strain, it would mean either it isn't foreign terrorists or the terror network or their state sponsors stole a sample for use biowarfare development.
41 posted on 10/10/2001 7:20:49 AM PDT by The_Reader_David
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 3 | View Replies]

To: Ranger
Thanks for publishing this information. It is amazing.
42 posted on 10/10/2001 7:30:16 AM PDT by FR_addict
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 36 | View Replies]

To: DWSUWF
Perhaps a contaminated tip-in. That way they could control the application of the anthrax at their own facility, and then deliver the insert to the actual printing/binding facility.
43 posted on 10/10/2001 7:39:09 AM PDT by ecomcon
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 14 | View Replies]

To: FR_addict
New Page 4
UHOLY TRINITY IN CHEMICAL WEAPONS PACT - IRAQ, SUDAN & OSAMA BIN LADEN

News/Current Events News Keywords: IRAQ SUDAN OSAMA BIN LADEN NUCLEAR CHEMICAL WEAPONS
Source: The Courier Mail - Brisbane, Australia
Published: 9/24/01 Author: Chris Griffith
Posted on 09/23/2001 23:20:26 PDT by goody2shooz

As intelligence services try to prove who was behind the New York and Washington attacks, the evidence is mounting that a secret pact was forged between Osama bin Laden, Iraq and Sudan to wage a terrorist war against the US.

The pact, forged in 1998, led to Iraqi experts helping to build a chemical weapons factory especially for bin Laden's terrorists in Sudan and bin Laden and Saddam Hussein's Iraq co-operating to build several others.

In a paper for the US Congress's Task Force on Terrorism and Unconventional Warfare, its chairman Yossef Bodansky said the chemical weapons factory, in Soba, south-west of Sudan's capital Khartoum, was built with Iraqi know-how for Islamic terrorists affiliated mainly with bin Laden.

Bodansky's paper shows a growing brashness of Iraqi involvement in developing chemical weapons for terrorism in Sudan away from the prying eyes of US planes patrolling the no-fly zone in Iraq. It cites two other ultra-modern chemical weapons factories built in Sudan with Iraq expertise.

One, at Kafuri, houses laboratories developing chemical weapons, nerve agents and biological weapons, while another in the Mayu area has production lines for warheads, bombs and canisters utilising chemical agents. They were built three years ago.

Iraq and bin Laden both separately forged links with Sudan, in north Africa, a decade ago.

The Iraqi-Sudanese co-operation began during the 1990 Gulf War when Iraq sent guns equipped with chemical shells, SCUD-B launchers and missiles to Sudan to strike Egypt and Saudi Arabia.

The fact these SCUDs originated from Iraq was confirmed in the mid-1990s when the Russians, after being asked to fix them, recognised the serial numbers were from missiles sold to Iraq.

After the Gulf war, Iraq needed to protect its chemical weapons development from US forces patrolling the Gulf.

This escalated in 1997 when Iraq moved weapons it had stored in Yemen to Sudan, and in the same year, weapons of mass destruction.

Bin Laden's involvement with Sudan began in 1991 after he was expelled from Saudi Arabia for his anti-government activities. He spent five years living in Sudan building a complex web of business and financial interests before returning to Afghanistan.

Intelligence reports claim the secret pact between Sudan, Iraq and bin Laden was made in October 1998 and there are numerous reports of meetings between bin Laden and Iraqi officials since.

Some of this evidence emerged in early 1999, when the Paris-based Arab language newspaper Al Watan Al Arabi reported that western diplomatic and security sources had warned in secret reports that Iraq, Sudan and bin Laden were co-operating to build several chemical and germ weapons factories in Sudan financed by bin Laden and supervised by Iraqi experts and technicians.

It said the Baghdad-Khartoum-bin Laden deal was regarded as the biggest act of co-ordination between extremist Islamic organisations and Baghdad "for confronting the US, the common enemy".

Late in 1998, Italian paper Corriere della Sera reported: "Saddam Hussein and Osama bin Laden have sealed a pact."

44 posted on 10/10/2001 7:47:30 AM PDT by Ranger
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 42 | View Replies]

Comment #45 Removed by Moderator

To: JohnHuang2
Might want to check out the homelanddefense.org site for info and links.
46 posted on 10/10/2001 8:25:04 AM PDT by loveliberty
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: JohnHuang2
This strain is 50 years old. Probably not unlike a freeware program, it gets passed, copied, and passed again down the line. A bacterial agent can be passed to a legitimate user and be grown and proliferated to many unauthorized users. 50 years is plenty of time for something like this to trickle down to people like Sadaam Hussein and bin Laden, and from what I read screening of those who request samples is pretty lax. Look at Larry Wayne Harris, he had few problems getting the samples he had.
47 posted on 10/10/2001 8:36:26 AM PDT by Free Vulcan
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: culpeper
"Long time". That's the sole redeeming feature of anthrax as a weapon, the spores can last for months or years. The bacteria encapulate in a hard shell (spores) and lie dormant until they hit a mucous coating.
48 posted on 10/10/2001 8:46:10 AM PDT by Abn1508
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 39 | View Replies]

To: Ada Coddington
Odd, if so, because there should be sufficient natural anthrax in the Iraqi herd.

If you were Saddam, would you want to create your anthrax weapon from an Iraqi source, or a US source? How many microseconds do you think it would take to figure out where the anthrax came from if he used an Iraqi source?

49 posted on 10/10/2001 9:20:27 AM PDT by Stefan Stackhouse
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 10 | View Replies]

To: Lorraine
Where the heck are these 70 people?

If they are single and living alone, some could already be dead or dying.

50 posted on 10/10/2001 9:22:23 AM PDT by Stefan Stackhouse
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 16 | View Replies]

To: Abn1508
Question No. 1: Once an anthrax spore finds a warm, moist spot and germinates, what is its period of effectiveness? For how long is it able to cause an infection?

Question No. 2: Once a germinated anthrax spore has shot its wad (lost its effectiveness), is it done for, dead, kaput? Or can it re-encapsulate, re-germintate, and re-infect?

Question No. 3: Since the spores germinate in warm, moist places, is airborne anthrax more likley in cold OR dry places (New York, Florida?) because the spores would not have germinated until they became lodged in someone's lungs? Conversely, would spores released into the air in Houston or New Orleans in the summer be likely to germinate in the atmosphere and therefore unable to be breathed into the lungs or cause an infection after being inhaled?

If anyone knows the answer to these questions, please respond.
51 posted on 10/10/2001 9:23:00 AM PDT by Iwo Jima
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 48 | View Replies]

To: JohnHuang2
Meanwhile, investigators confirmed that two hijackers who died in the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks had subscriptions to tabloid newspapers published in the Boca Raton headquarters of American Media Inc., where photo editor Robert Stevens is believed to have contracted the fatal disease.

``We're not sure what to make of that yet,'' a source close to the inquiry said. ``It may mean absolutely nothing.''

Interesting. Do those newspapers run classified ads? That might have been how those eventual hijackers got their instructions.

52 posted on 10/10/2001 9:38:35 AM PDT by untenured
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Iwo Jima
Considering that the US backed Iraq in its war with Iran in the 60's and 70's and it seems that US policy towards a less developed country does a complete reversal about 10 years later, why am I not surprised that the terrorists are using our own weapons against us.
53 posted on 10/10/2001 9:38:40 AM PDT by lilylangtree
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 51 | View Replies]

To: ecomcon
"...Perhaps a contaminated tip-in. That way they could control the application of the anthrax at their own facility, and then deliver the insert to the actual printing/binding facility..."

That seems much more likely to me, if using the papers as a delivery system were the goal.

But do either the Sun or National Enquirer ever contain inserts? It's been years since I bought one. (and, even then, it was for my wife, I swear...)

If this was a terrorist action I believe that it was an attack on this paper's staff, rather than a more ambitious attack on its customers.

Maybe in response to some story that offended them, or as an experiment, or just a random jab intended to sow fear and confusion.

Who knows, the delivery system they used may have largely failed to perform. Perhaps the entire staff was intended to be contaminated, but -for some reason- were not.

It's too murky to be able to make much more than a guess.

54 posted on 10/10/2001 10:18:40 AM PDT by DWSUWF
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 43 | View Replies]

To: Ranger
> Bin Laden, always willing to share gives it back to U.S. (couldn't get crop duster so used U.S. mail)?

This is very inefficient though manpower and time wise, as opposed to smallpox, truck bombs, etc.

I will make the point again, Iraq used mustard gas and nerve gas against Iran back in the 1980s. I'll reserve final judgement on what exactly this is until those tests are in, but if it were, I'd say look at Iraq.

55 posted on 10/10/2001 11:51:02 AM PDT by texlok
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 38 | View Replies]

To: Abn1508
That really sucks....all the more reason to use nukes. Thanks for info.
56 posted on 10/10/2001 1:02:53 PM PDT by culpeper
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 48 | View Replies]

To: keri
I don't know if you ever saw this thread.

See post #36!

It goes some way to answering the question as to whether foreign labs were able to get anthrax from the USA.

It would be interesting to know what strains of anthrax they received.

57 posted on 11/19/2001 10:16:09 AM PST by Nogbad
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 36 | View Replies]

To: Nogbad
I haven't seen this. Thank you. FWIW *now, ATCC isn't offering B. anthracis, but B. Cereus -- a class I pathogen.

It would be interesting to know which strains the ATCC sent Iraq, but they would have been coded by letters and numbers. IOW, instead of being labeled Ames, Sterne, or Vollum, the samples sent would be numbered, right?

It would also be interesting to know if any of the destroyed vials in Iowa had the exact same identifying numbers as the ones posted in #36. Remember, Iowa didn't even know from which of their samples "Ames" came from...

I mention this only because Ames was chosen purposefully. Whomever is behind the anthrax attacks, they didn't acquire Ames by luck of the draw, or providence, but by knowing exactly where it was and how to get it.

A final thing, here, and I am totally amazed the Brits caught on before the US. In the middle of the 80's, apparently the UK denied the export of anthrax cultures to Iraq, but we still allowed exports of Class III pathogens. Major fumble, I think.

Just thoughts.

58 posted on 11/19/2001 8:25:19 PM PST by keri
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 57 | View Replies]


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first previous 1-2021-4041-58 last

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson