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Preparedness RoundTable: Wise Up, Chicken Little! :-) You too can survive Bin Laden
none ^ | October 11 2001 | all of us

Posted on 10/11/2001 9:16:32 AM PDT by ChemistCat

Obviously we're under attack. Some of the attacks have been much more competent than others. How much risk we face has not yet been determined--how about a calm, rational, and measured personal response to a number of worst-case scenarios? Prepare for the worst and hope for the best! I'm going to post a few brief ideas I have, most of which come from years of being a Mormon and even more years of reading gun and preparedness magazines. If you click on this thread, do so only if you're prepared to accept the basic assumptions that we MAY have more attacks in the near future and that we MAY sensibly prepare for many of the potential threats.

I'm hoping that the people who want to fight over "how much other people should be allowed to discuss preparedness" or "irresponsible sowing of panic" will not bother clicking on this thread--please confine comments to preparedness, start another thread if you only have humor or sarcasm to contribute, and flame me privately if that is what you want to do, okay?


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TIP ONE: ONE WEEK OLD It's my suggestion to anyone with a vulnerable water supply that you save milk jugs, soda bottles, and so forth. Wash them well, fill them, and add a couple of drops of liquid chlorine bleach (not one of the fancy scented kinds) per half gallon. If you prefer to filter your water, you can always filter this normally after it has waited a week. Set up a system where you are rotating through these. Do not DRINK tap water directly out of the faucet--drink water at least ONE WEEK OLD. If the water is going to be sitting for substantially longer than one week, you will need to add 4 or 5 drops per half gallon. Use week old water for brushing teeth and microwaving water for tea, etc. Hard boiling will deal with biocontamination but since the water can be contaminated with other substances, I'd even use week old water for cooking pasta.

This gives time for any potential problem in the water to be detected and you'll know you're safe--without the expense and false security that comes from commercial bottled water and home filtration. The other bonus is that this will mean you have a week's supply of water if for some reason water is cut off--that's something that can happen for everyday reasons, after all--a good hard freeze that bursts your pipes....

A week's supply of water won't take up too much room and you can chill it easily for better taste. I suggest using normal gallon and 2 liter containers because the big 5 gallon containers are so large they discourage regular use. Pass this tip on to other lists you may be on.

TIP TWO: This is a reasonable time to stock up on food that does not require refrigeration or substantial preparation. Don't do what I did at first and buy #10 cans of Veg-all and ketchup from Sam's. You'll end up hunting for a charity that will take them, by and by. Buy canned foods your family already eats as a time of stress is NOT a good time to change the diet. www.waltonfeed.com is one excellent source for bulk food storage items--they've been around for a long, long time; I am going to shamelessly plug my friend Janis's website, www.justincasefoods.com, because she is as honest as they come and you can get many interesting "accessory" food items through her site, such as comfort foods, and she knows more about preparedness than I will ever know! Many of you will have other good resources you can put up here.

TIP THREE: I'm not going out to get a gas mask (even if I could find one) because I don't believe that this type of threat is particularly strong. Chemical weapons with few exceptions are dreadfully expensive OR have to be set off in relatively small areas like inside a train, so they are very unlikely to affect any of us. We have seen that anthrax doesn't spread from person to person. That substantially limits the damage it can do. If you work in a situation that you feel makes you vulnerable to attack that way, you probably ought to take precautions, but otherwise I think it is wiser to confine your attention to the kind of disease that does spread easily from person to person. A SERIOUS FLU SEASON IS PREDICTED THIS YEAR. I've had several emails now from people who say, "NO kidding, I will never say 'just the flu' again, I almost died..."

Contagious diseases are subject to soap and water and isolation. Period. Whether it's flu or smallpox or the common cold, its spread can be STOPPED COLD if we become wise in this matter. Flu IS NOT A JOKE--it has killed MORE PEOPLE than any other contagion caused illness including AIDS and malaria. Epidemics early in the 20th century decimated entire military units and killed children, the aged, and people in their prime of life and health. I don't want to bury my kids because (as Rush says) "you people" won't wash your hands and stay home when sick. Our nation and its economy need a minimal flu season this year!!! Take hygiene seriously!

Those are my three main tips right now. Minor ones: keep the gas tank full, think twice about eating at fast food places, and do your shopping online to avoid going to malls. Sorry, W, but I'm not hanging out in large groups of people right now. I can help my economy right here at my keyboard.
1 posted on 10/11/2001 9:16:33 AM PDT by ChemistCat
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To: ChemistCat
Time for another shopping trip to B.J. Wholesale.
2 posted on 10/11/2001 9:24:35 AM PDT by pray4liberty
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To: ChemistCat
More suggestions from a Floridian -- we go through the disaster drill every year, just about, and the weakest link is usually the electricity:

If you have a gas barbeque, buy an extra propane tank and keep your tanks full. (Don't store or use it in the house, however.)

Keep extra fresh batteries, flashlights and a portable radio easily accessible.

3 posted on 10/11/2001 9:41:13 AM PDT by browardchad
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To: sawsalimb;Illbay;Criminal Number 18F;bannie;B4Ranch;VOA;parsifal
thinking of you
4 posted on 10/11/2001 9:43:57 AM PDT by ChemistCat
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To: Mahonri Moriancumer;UtahGirl;litany-of-lies;nmh;proud2bRC;Goreknowshowtocheat
thinking of you
5 posted on 10/11/2001 9:46:44 AM PDT by ChemistCat
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To: Enough_deceit;PhiKapMom;parsifal;andysandmikesmom;OKSooner;Smart Blonde
thinking of you
6 posted on 10/11/2001 9:48:38 AM PDT by ChemistCat
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To: aruanan;VA Advogado;LS;Ohio Wfan;Harley-hog;Jhenn22499;Ethrane;pepperdog:A Ruckus of Dogs
thinking of you
7 posted on 10/11/2001 9:52:55 AM PDT by ChemistCat
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To: aruanan;VA Advogado;LS;Ohio Wfan;Harley-hog;Jhenn22499;Ethrane;pepperdog:A Ruckus of Dogs
thinking of you I want to post a picture from my hard-drive into this thread; can someone tell me how to do it? I have it in both bmp and jpg formats.
8 posted on 10/11/2001 9:55:34 AM PDT by ChemistCat
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To: CholeraJoe
bump pretty please
9 posted on 10/11/2001 10:04:47 AM PDT by ChemistCat
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To: browardchad
From a Floridian living on an island ... we go through a diasater drill about once a month. Power out, water out, or some such for every big rain storm. But the lightening is sure pretty.

Keeps the bugout bag full and the magazines loaded.

We long ago learned what was needed. After the first storm you learn what 'self reliance' means.

But I will admit to adding several laoded magazines to the bugout bag of late. Four anthrax scares in the last three days is enough for me.

snooker

10 posted on 10/11/2001 10:05:31 AM PDT by snooker
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To: snooker;chemistcat;tracer;native texan
just testing--am I formatting the multiple recipients so that they actually get flagged?
11 posted on 10/11/2001 10:33:52 AM PDT by ChemistCat
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To: white rose;Old Student; Dave S;VW-cat-man;t-shirt;a-federalist
bump
12 posted on 10/11/2001 10:35:43 AM PDT by ChemistCat
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To: ChemistCat
COUNTRYSIDE is a great magazine for those of you who are interested in self-suffiency and have some way to get away from populated areas. Its pre-Y2K (1999 and a little earlier) issues are particularly useful because they had an editor at that time who was heavily into preparing for just these kinds of events. He was pretty convinced that we were going to be attacked in some way and even predicted the same scenarios that are now unfolding--some kind of major attack on the country followed by economic turmoil. He was just a little early in his predictions, but his editorials are chillingly predictive of the post-9/11 world. The articles center around general preparedness, growing & storing food, how to make many, many useful gadgets, and general independence. If you have livestock, you'll find it especially useful as a regular column is written by a vet and is about how to take care of sick animals till you can GET a vet. There's regular information on firearms too.
13 posted on 10/11/2001 10:44:33 AM PDT by Old Student
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To: ChemistCat
You have given good ideas. Also, take a cardboard box and put a weeks worth of food (w/ can opener)and clothing in it. Then keep it separated from everything else so that if you are told to evacute your area you can do it quickly. Keep a county and a state map in the box and another set in your vehicles. Keep a few hundred dollars in small bills at home because if the electricity is shut down, the banks will close.
14 posted on 10/11/2001 10:58:35 AM PDT by B4Ranch
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To: ChemistCat
Milk jugs are not good to save and use as water storage containers. Gallon jugs that water comes in from stores tend to degrade after awhile and spring leaks. I got trash cans and then lined them with food grade plastic liners. You can get food grade plastic barrels but remember to get a pump to get the water out.

Good hint if you are looking for a shower...get a NEW bug spray canister with the pump handle works great as a shower I have a black metal one that can be sat out in the sun so the water can be solar heated.

15 posted on 10/11/2001 11:16:09 AM PDT by CathyRyan
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To: ChemistCat
Thanks for posting these!

I would add a few things to your list:
Candles or kerosene lamps (w/ oil)
Kerosene heaters and fuel (for those in chilly climates)
Dried beans and pasta
Powdered drinks (milk, instant teas, kool-aid, tang, etc.)
Ammunition (you never know...)

16 posted on 10/11/2001 11:18:12 AM PDT by KentuckyWoman
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To: ChemistCat
You can also get plans to build a solar oven off the net. You can make one out of cardboard, glue, foil, and a piece of glass. It does not work on cloudy days or in winter except if near the equator, but for sunny summer days it works. I plain to build a plywood one for next summer.
17 posted on 10/11/2001 11:26:09 AM PDT by CathyRyan
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To: ChemistCat
Nice tips. Remember also that you will ALWAYS need a reliable way to start a fire even if you have no power and are rained on.

Basicly, keep calm. The odds are that nothing will destroy our entire system. Keep prepared. Consider Mazlo's hierarchy of needs: Food, water, shelter, clothes, fire, weapons. Keep in touch. A hand-cranked radio can make all the difference between you knowing what is going on versus letting your "cut off from the world" paranoia build upon itself in your isolation.

By the way, the tips on the bugout bag containing food, maps, and money were very good suggestions. I might add that a police or football whistle makes a good way to communicate over short to mid distances, even in crowds (heaven forbid).

18 posted on 10/11/2001 11:31:44 AM PDT by Southack
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To: ChemistCat
I just when to the vet and had all my pets checked and I got health records and certificates so if I have to do any fast moving they are good to go. My indoor cats are hard to chase down so I have started feeding them in their crates. If they want to eat they have to get in their crates. This way they are always ready and willing to get in their crates. Everytime I walk into the room where their crates are they run and jump in their crates hoping for food. WARNINGWith this method they have started to want me to get up at 4am to feed them and they can be tenacious.
19 posted on 10/11/2001 11:44:44 AM PDT by CathyRyan
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To: ChemistCat
Utah Girl posted a great thread on Emergency Preparedness .
20 posted on 10/11/2001 11:45:54 AM PDT by antidisestablishment
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To: Old Student
Countryside used to be a valuable magazine until the old editor quit and the socialist sympathizers took over. Ive cancelled my subscription and dont even bother to visit their forum any more.

A superior magazine for self-sufficiency interested people is Backwoods Home Magazine.

If you want a good start on self-sufficiency and can put up with a couple nuts then visit Frugal Squirrels place.

21 posted on 10/11/2001 12:21:28 PM PDT by gnarledmaw
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To: ChemistCat
Good info bump. I'd add a first aid kit and sixty days supply of precription meds that anyone might be taking.
22 posted on 10/11/2001 1:10:40 PM PDT by CholeraJoe
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To: ChemistCat
thanks ChemistCat Nice football program near your house.
23 posted on 10/11/2001 1:13:07 PM PDT by Goreknowshowtocheat
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To: ChemistCat
Modern Survival magazine is the Phoenix that arose from the ashes of the American Survival Guide fiasco. Its an excellent online source for all kinds of related information. If you mash the link above then you can take a sample tour of this months issue, if you get a subscription then at the end of the year you get the whole year on cd sent to you.

If this isnt quite your bag you should visit Double Oughts link page and see if you cant find something to your liking there.

24 posted on 10/11/2001 1:46:11 PM PDT by gnarledmaw
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To: Miss American Pie
bump
25 posted on 10/11/2001 1:54:40 PM PDT by gnarledmaw
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To: ChemistCat
Bump for CC!! Thanks for thinking of me. :)
26 posted on 10/11/2001 3:24:27 PM PDT by VA Advogado
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To: ChemistCat
I'm going to post a few brief ideas I have, most of which come from years of being a Mormon
and even more years of reading gun and preparedness magazines.


And holder of the firearms tradition that allowed the Mormons to keep a meddling
expedition by the US Army at bay for a few years.
(I think that was in the years leading up to the Civil War, wasn't it?)

Folks could do worse than to rely on some of the products from that gunsmithing
legend from Utah...John M. Browning.

I beseech Almight Providence that we have no more terrorists acts, whether in the
coming days or years from now.
But if these wicked ones can't resist temptation, it will be interesting to see if they
try to pull any of their tricks in the strongtest concealed-carry states.
27 posted on 10/11/2001 4:31:03 PM PDT by VOA
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To: ChemistCat
Fine suggestions, all of them, but you forgot the first requirement for surviving any emergency:

CHOCOLATE!

28 posted on 10/11/2001 5:10:16 PM PDT by white rose
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To: ChemistCat
Canned foods and bottled water. Flashlights and batteries.
29 posted on 10/11/2001 5:19:15 PM PDT by RaceBannon
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To: B4Ranch
Instead of a cardboard box,you might want to consider an "Action-Packer" plastic container,made by Rubbermaid,and available(of course)at WalMart. It already has handles on it,it's lockable(sort of),and it can stand getting rained on. It's also useful as a seat,or an improvised table.

An item that I would very much advocate is a good Coleman stove,or similar pressurized gas stove. These things are very handy-the single burner models will easily cook enough food for two people,and the two burner ones are almost as good as a rangetop. Not heavy,not expensive,and priceless if you need them. Don't forget some rudimentary stuff to cook with and in-it doesn't have to be fancy(heck-a couple of empty coffee cans are better than nothing,and the price is right),and don't forget the stuff to clean up with-food poisoning isn't a bit of fun-and while I'm on that note,DO NOT forget the toilet paper,or equivalent.

30 posted on 10/11/2001 5:44:39 PM PDT by sawsalimb
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To: ChemistCat
My suggestion is to get a book written by Ted Wright, "Wright's Complete Disaster Survival Manual" available through Amazon.

A few disgruntled customers posted nasty things on Amazon, but the book is still excellent and a bargain for $11.96.

31 posted on 10/12/2001 7:13:53 AM PDT by pray4liberty
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To: CathyRyan
Thanks for the bug-sprayer shower idea!!! How to get REALLY clean using a minimum of water. Brilliant!
32 posted on 10/17/2001 3:58:06 AM PDT by cyberwatcher
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