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Is Islam Violent?
Toogood Reports ^ | October 12-14, 2001 | Charles A. Morse

Posted on 10/14/2001 9:24:49 AM PDT by Starmaker

As Americans we are steeped in republican values such as limited government, individual rights, and a separation of church and state. We traditionally view our neighbor with a live and let live attitude and, while we may not always approve, more often than not we tolerate our differences. This is why, with all our imperfections, and G-d knows we have many, we somehow hold together as the most genuinely diverse society ever known to man.

As a result, we seem to have this almost myopic view of the rest of the world. We assume that all faiths, political as well as religious, are like ours, which tends to involve a personal relationship with a G-d whom we look to as the creator of our natural sovereign rights. We have trouble imagining a nation under the direct rule of clerics, or commissars, who interpret the will of G-d, or science, and use the muscular force of the state to carry out their interpretations.

Our nation was born after a bloody revolution against a tyrannical British monarch, King George III. This experience imbued our founding generation with a respect for the sovereign rights of nations. America has often championed the cause of independence from Latin America in the nineteenth century to Europe during the World Wars, Korea, Vietnam, and Kuwait. We instinctively loathed European colonialism with its attempt to physically dominate the world. Likewise, we as a people rejected the maniacal new world order visions of both Nazism and Communism.

While we´ve certainly had our share of imperialists operating in the inner reaches of our government and amongst a small segment of our most wealthy establishment, the American people have been notoriously opposed to world dominating schemes. It has never been an element of our religious or political faith. Our idea of utopia has always been to live in peace, under our proverbial fig tree, and leave our neighbor alone to peruse the same. Jefferson expressed this best when he noted in the Declaration of Independence that the truths we hold to be self-evident are "life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness."

The vast majority of Muslims who have settled in America have, thank G-d, adopted the same peaceful American faith that most of the rest of us have regardless of individual means of worshiping G-d or not worshiping as the case may be. The same cannot be said of the nations of the world which are presently dominated by religious Muslims. The religious Muslim movement, like Nazism and left-wing Communism before it, has seized the reigns of power in several sovereign states. Like the Nazi´s and Communists, they are using that power to spread terror across the planet.

The citizens of these Islamic states chafe under the same type of brutal authoritarianism and one party religious dictatorship as Europeans suffered under Nazism or that Chinese, Cubans or North Koreans under the brutal jackboot of left-wing Communism. The mobs coursing through the streets of Islamic cities chanting anti-American slogans are the same as the Nazi brown shirts looting Jewish businesses during Kristalnacht or Communists burning and looting American inner cities during the summer of love.

Even though we may be loath to admit it, religious Islam clearly does contain seeds of violence of a type similar to that of its Nazi and Communist counterparts. Like their counterparts, Islam advocates war, or Jihad, as a means of conquering the non-Islamic world. Moderate Muslims have westernized the meaning of Jihad to mean peaceful personal struggle and this is a genuinely progressive development. Like the Nazis and Communists, however, the religious Muslims believe that world peace and happiness will be obtained under what they maintain is the only true faith. Like the Nazis and Communists, they believe that anything is permissible in the pursuit of this glorious goal including total subjugation of peoples and mass murder.

TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial

1 posted on 10/14/2001 9:24:49 AM PDT by Starmaker
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To: Starmaker
2 posted on 10/14/2001 9:40:01 AM PDT by PokeyJoe
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To: Starmaker
Is Islam violent?

Look around the world. From North Africa, across the Near and Middle east, the Balkans, southern Russia, Central Asia, through the Far East all the way to the Phillipines. What do you see?

Muslims killing Jews, Christians, Hindus, and others in the name of Islam.

Does that make Islam violent?

3 posted on 10/14/2001 10:14:01 AM PDT by etcetera
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To: etcetera
I was told that in the Koran it states that if you are not of the Islam faith then you are evil. IS this true?
4 posted on 10/14/2001 10:20:36 AM PDT by Sungirl
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To: Starmaker
Mohammad was a false prophet.

Mohammad would have acknowledged that Jesus was the Son of God if he was a real prophet of the Lord. You cannot believe that Jesus was Son of God and not believe that Mohammad was a false prophet.

Islam teaches hate.

6 posted on 10/14/2001 10:30:16 AM PDT by boycott
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To: Sungirl
Of the Unbelievers: "seize them and slay them wherever you find them: and in any case take no friends or helpers from their ranks." 4:89

"for the Unbelievers are open enemies to you." 4:101

For the Unbelievers, Allah has prepared a humiliating punishment. 4:102

O you who believe! Take not the Jews and the Christians for your friends and protectors: they are but friends and protectors to each other. And he among you that turns to them for friendship is of them. 5:51

Of the Jews:
‘When in their insolence they transgressed all prohibitions, We said to them: "Be you apes, despised and rejected."’ 7:166

"Many are the men We have made for Hell…" 7:179

Remember your Lord inspired the angels with the message: "I am with you: give firmness to the Believers: I will instill terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers: you smite them above their necks and smite all their finger-tips off them." 8:12

Against them make ready your strength to the utmost of your power, including steeds of war, to strike terror into the hearts of the enemies of Allah. Whatever you spend in the cause of Allah shall be repaid to you and you shall not be treated unjustly. 8:60

O Messenger! Rouse the Believers among you to the fight. If there are twenty amongst you, patient and persevering, they will vanquish two hundred: if a hundred, they will vanquish two thousand of the Unbelievers: for these are people without understanding. 8:65

…Then fight and slay the Pagans wherever you find them, seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem of war…9:5

Fight them and Allah will punish them by your hands, cover them with shame, help you to victory over them, heal the breasts of the Believers. 9:14

Fight those who do not believe in Allah … until they pay the Jizya with willing submission and feel themselves subdued. 9:29

Therefore, when you meet the Unbelievers in fight, smite at their necks; at length, when you have thoroughly subdued them, bind a bond firmly on them… He lets you fight in order to test you, some with others. But those who are slain in the way of Allah, - He will never let their deeds be lost. 47:4

It is He Who got out the Unbelievers among the People of the Book from their homes at the first gathering of the forces. Little did you think that they would get out: and they thought that their fortresses would defend them from Allah! But the wrath of Allah came to them from quarters from which they had little expected it, and cast terror into their hearts, so that they destroyed their own dwellings by their own hands and the hands of the Believers. 59:2

They will not fight you even together, except in fortified townships, or from behind walls. Strong is their fighting spirit amongst themselves: you would think they are united, but their hearts are divided: that is because they are a people devoid of wisdom. 59:14

Here are two links to that subject, check it out for yourself and learn here how "nice, tolerant and peaceful" the teachings of islam are!

7 posted on 10/14/2001 12:09:16 PM PDT by knighthawk
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To: Starmaker
"Is Islam Violent?" See how this strikes you...


Jihad Against Jews and Crusaders

World Islamic Front Statement

23 February 1998

Shaykh Usamah Bin-Muhammad Bin-Ladin
Ayman al-Zawahiri, amir of the Jihad Group in Egypt
Abu-Yasir Rifa'i Ahmad Taha, Egyptian Islamic Group
Shaykh Mir Hamzah, secretary of the Jamiat-ul-Ulema-e-Pakistan
Fazlul Rahman, amir of the Jihad Movement in Bangladesh

Praise be to God, who revealed the Book, controls the clouds, defeats factionalism, and says in His Book: "But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the pagans wherever ye find them, seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war)"; and peace be upon our Prophet, Muhammad Bin-'Abdallah, who said: I have been sent with the sword between my hands to ensure that no one but God is worshipped, God who put my livelihood under the shadow of my spear and who inflicts humiliation and scorn on those who disobey my orders.

The Arabian Peninsula has never -- since God made it flat, created its desert, and encircled it with seas -- been stormed by any forces like the crusader armies spreading in it like locusts, eating its riches and wiping out its plantations. All this is happening at a time in which nations are attacking Muslims like people fighting over a plate of food. In the light of the grave situation and the lack of support, we and you are obliged to discuss current events, and we should all agree on how to settle the matter.

No one argues today about three facts that are known to everyone; we will list them, in order to remind everyone:

First, for over seven years the United States has been occupying the lands of Islam in the holiest of places, the Arabian Peninsula, plundering its riches, dictating to its rulers, humiliating its people, terrorizing its neighbors, and turning its bases in the Peninsula into a spearhead through which to fight the neighboring Muslim peoples.

If some people have in the past argued about the fact of the occupation, all the people of the Peninsula have now acknowledged it. The best proof of this is the Americans' continuing aggression against the Iraqi people using the Peninsula as a staging post, even though all its rulers are against their territories being used to that end, but they are helpless.

Second, despite the great devastation inflicted on the Iraqi people by the crusader-Zionist alliance, and despite the huge number of those killed, which has exceeded 1 million... despite all this, the Americans are once against trying to repeat the horrific massacres, as though they are not content with the protracted blockade imposed after the ferocious war or the fragmentation and devastation.

So here they come to annihilate what is left of this people and to humiliate their Muslim neighbors.

Third, if the Americans' aims behind these wars are religious and economic, the aim is also to serve the Jews' petty state and divert attention from its occupation of Jerusalem and murder of Muslims there. The best proof of this is their eagerness to destroy Iraq, the strongest neighboring Arab state, and their endeavor to fragment all the states of the region such as Iraq, Saudi Arabia, Egypt, and Sudan into paper statelets and through their disunion and weakness to guarantee Israel's survival and the continuation of the brutal crusade occupation of the Peninsula.

All these crimes and sins committed by the Americans are a clear declaration of war on God, his messenger, and Muslims. And ulema have throughout Islamic history unanimously agreed that the jihad is an individual duty if the enemy destroys the Muslim countries. This was revealed by Imam Bin-Qadamah in "Al- Mughni," Imam al-Kisa'i in "Al-Bada'i," al-Qurtubi in his interpretation, and the shaykh of al-Islam in his books, where he said: "As for the fighting to repulse [an enemy], it is aimed at defending sanctity and religion, and it is a duty as agreed [by the ulema]. Nothing is more sacred than belief except repulsing an enemy who is attacking religion and life."

On that basis, and in compliance with God's order, we issue the following fatwa to all Muslims:

The ruling to kill the Americans and their allies -- civilians and military -- is an individual duty for every Muslim who can do it in any country in which it is possible to do it [EMPHASIS ADDED], in order to liberate the al-Aqsa Mosque and the holy mosque [Mecca] from their grip, and in order for their armies to move out of all the lands of Islam, defeated and unable to threaten any Muslim. This is in accordance with the words of Almighty God, "and fight the pagans all together as they fight you all together," and "fight them until there is no more tumult or oppression, and there prevail justice and faith in God."

This is in addition to the words of Almighty God: "And why should ye not fight in the cause of God and of those who, being weak, are ill-treated (and oppressed)? -- women and children, whose cry is: 'Our Lord, rescue us from this town, whose people are oppressors; and raise for us from thee one who will help!'"

We -- with God's help -- call on every Muslim who believes in God and wishes to be rewarded to comply with God's order to kill the Americans and plunder their money wherever and whenever they find it. We also call on Muslim ulema, leaders, youths, and soldiers to launch the raid on Satan's U.S. troops and the devil's supporters allying with them, and to displace those who are behind them so that they may learn a lesson.

Almighty God said: "O ye who believe, give your response to God and His Apostle, when He calleth you to that which will give you life. And know that God cometh between a man and his heart, and that it is He to whom ye shall all be gathered."

Almighty God also says: "O ye who believe, what is the matter with you, that when ye are asked to go forth in the cause of God, ye cling so heavily to the earth! Do ye prefer the life of this world to the hereafter? But little is the comfort of this life, as compared with the hereafter. Unless ye go forth, He will punish you with a grievous penalty, and put others in your place; but Him ye would not harm in the least. For God hath power over all things."

Almighty God also says: "So lose no heart, nor fall into despair. For ye must gain mastery if ye are true in faith."

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8 posted on 10/14/2001 12:12:19 PM PDT by Star Traveler
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To: Starmaker
Yes, islam preaches violence against non-muslims. Here are some examples from the koran/surah:

JIHAD (Holy War)
Jihad is one of the most sacred duties Muslims perform. The word "Jihad", is an Arabic word which means "struggle". In this sense Jihad is the struggle for the cause of spreading Islam, using all means available to Muslims, including violence. This kind of Jihad is often referred to as "Holy War".
In resorting to violence, Muslims will not have any problem finding passages in the Quran (believed by Muslims to be Allah’s word), and the Hadith (Mohammed’s sayings as recorded by Al Bukhari), that will not only condone violence, but will also demand it.

Allah orders Muslims in the Quran to terrorize non-Muslims on His behalf.

"Strike terror (into the hearts of) the enemies of God and your enemies." Surah 8:60

Fight (kill) them (non-Muslims), and God will punish, (torment) them by your hands, cover them with shame." Surah 9:14

"I will instill terror into the hearts of the unbelievers, smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger-tips off them. It is not ye who slew them; it was God." Surah 8:13-17.

In the Hadith Mohammed also urges Muslims to practice Jihad.

Mohammed was once asked: what is the best deed for the Muslim next to believing in Allah and His Apostle? His answer was : " To participate in Jihad in Allah’s cause. " Al Bukhari vol 1:25.

Mohammed was quoted as saying: "I have been ordered to fight with the people till they say, none has the right to be worshipped but Allah." Al Bukhari vol 4:196.

Mohammed also said; "The person who participates in (Holy Battles) in Allah’s cause and nothing compels him do so except belief in Allah and His Apostle, will be recompensed by Allah either with a reward, or booty (if he survives) or will be admitted to Paradise (if he is killed). Al Bukhari vol 1:35

9 posted on 10/14/2001 12:18:34 PM PDT by knighthawk
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To: Starmaker
A better question is "Is Islam compatible with Western Civilization?" Islam calls followers not to just a religion but a way of life. It has it's own system of law, that among other things ban's other religions. The only exeption is where they are a distinct minority, then they are advised to be defferential. But only until they can become sufficiently numerous to take over an impose Koranic law.

Sadly, I have concluded the answer to my own question is no. That's why there is not a single Muslim democracy in the world, and everywhere Muslims are a significant portion of the population they are at war with other religions.

10 posted on 10/14/2001 12:30:25 PM PDT by Hugin
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To: knighthawk
GOD....I guess it's true alright! Why do we allow Islam in the US? OH!! I forgot...the liberals are trying to destoy Christianity. I wonder if Hillary knows binLaden.
11 posted on 10/14/2001 2:25:30 PM PDT by Sungirl
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To: Starmaker
Islam's presence as a religion was achieved by the sword. This was the case even in the days of mohommed. Islam conquered the arabian peninsula and the former roman parts of north africa and christendom by the sword. They conquered Byzantium by the sword 800 years later. They marched to the gates of Vienna by the sword 200 years after that. They owe their entire domain to over a thousand years of military conquest. The latest PC tag line, "islam is peace," is pure unadulterated animal excrement.
12 posted on 10/14/2001 10:47:42 PM PDT by GOPcapitalist
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To: Sungirl
"When the Prophet was in Mecca and he was still not powerful enough he called for tolerance. He said "To you be your religion, and to me my religion" (109:6). This famous quote is often misused to prove that the general principle of Qur'an is tolerance. He advised his follower to speak good to their enemies (2: 83), exhorted them to be patient (20:103) and said that "there is no compulsion in religion" (2:256). But that all changed drastically when he came to power. Then killing and slaying unbelievers with harshness and without mercy was justified in innumerable verses. The verses quoted to prove Islam's tolerance ignore many other verses that bear no trace of tolerance or forgiveness. Where is tolerance in this well-known verse "Alarzu Lillah, Walhukmu Lillah." (The Earth belongs to Allah and thus only Allah's rule should prevail all over the earth".).


13 posted on 10/14/2001 11:04:57 PM PDT by jwh_Denver
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To: Sungirl
Hellary you mean?

Guess she doesn't want to be in Afghanistan, because there she couldn't command Bill around all day! She would get shot for that!
But I think she would look better covered with a tent!

Also take a look at for more interesting stuff!

14 posted on 10/15/2001 8:58:18 AM PDT by knighthawk
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