Bin Laden and Promis Software

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[artios]

Foxnews, Carl Cameron just reported - Spy Hansen sold software to Russinas who sold it to Bin Laden. Promis allows him to monitor all the opeartions against him including financial. Listed some countries that have stopped using it. May have missed some details - searched and saw no post. Know that Promis is a big deal and also involved with Koresh at WACO. Al-Qeada youths are as aware of cracks in the worlds financial.... as they are of the lines in their hands.. Bin Laden being in a cave is not the issue - others in his network can log in and monitor.

[Dog]

I saw it also.....

Hansen should hang .....recind the plea deal and hang the scum!

[StolarStorm]

What and how does Promis work?

[blam]

"I saw it also....."

Ditto.

[That Poppins Woman]

Know that Promis is a big deal and also involved with Koresh at WACO.

One of the original programmers of PROMIS (before DOJ stole it) was a Davidian.

[eureka!]

hmmm

[Ted]

I'm gonna' spuke - what a tangled web we weave (they wove...).

[openotherend]

Do you suppose OBL knows how to access the trap door?

[NTNgod]

I was thinking along the same lines...but couldn't we use the 'trapdoor' AGAINST him?

[Diogenesis]

Missed that. Is there a review paragraph of this link.

Is this why Reno and X42 exterminated those poor people and children?

[Don Joe]

Wow...

[thunderdome]

The INSLAW Octopus - Wired magazine, Mar 1993

The following information has been given to each member of the House Judicary Committee and was placed on the Internet in electronic form by Bill Hamilton of Inslaw Corporation

Anyone else have any other reviews of this? I have not seen this info in many years now...a blast from the past!

[The Real Deal]

Is this why Reno and X42 exterminated those poor people and children?

It makes me think you may be right.

[vbmoneyspender]

could someone out there with programming skills explain to me how software that is 20 years old could be such a big deal?

[longleaf]

There was an investigative reporter named Danny Cassolaro who "suicided" himself because he was getting too close to the truth of Promis/Inslaw. This happened a couple of years before the Davidians "set themselves on fire."

Promis/Inslaw was so devious and crooked a scheme on the part of our government that it is almost poetic justice that bin Laden obtained it, if he did. It was not ever going to be used for the benefit of mankind.

[classygreeneyedblonde]

splain...

[The Real Deal]

I'm not getting it either.

[openotherend]

for starters

Many of the old links from this conspiracy are now unfortunately gone from the web

[Recovering_Democrat]

Big News. My SO just saw it, told me about the news. The bearded p***k needs to have a few curve balls thrown his way in the software front, while our military hardware continuously pounds his hell-bound hide into oblivion.

[PRND21]

Attorney General Janet Reno initiated a new investigation, this one conducted by the Office of the Associate Attorney General. That investigation also concluded that Inslaw's claims were false.

DOJ link

[11bravo]

Give me a break!!!! Promis is a logistics and accounting software package first developed by IP Sharp in the 80's. The only thing it could do for OBL would be to monitor his assets and acquisitions. This would tell him which cave they were burried in. It is also riddled with "back doors" that I am sure the CIA has access to.

[vbmoneyspender]

bump.

[longleaf]

I misspelled his last name. It's Danny Casolaro. It's pretty obvious to me that this brave young man was murdered.

The Octopus: Secret Government and the Death of Danny Casolaro

[eno_]

Fighting over 20 year old software is a bit like fighting over a 20 year old lawn mower.

[Ted]

Don't forget Vince Foster:

"On July 12, 1993 Inslaw submitted a 90-page rebuttal of the Bua report to Associate Attorney General Webster Hubbell. The rebuttal offered evidence that the Bua report was false. What Inslaw probably did not know at time, however, was that Webster Hubbell's and White House Deputy Counsel Vince Foster apparently were linked to both Iran-Contra and Inslaw through two Arkansas companies called Park-on-Meter and Systematics.

On July 20, 1993 Vince Foster was found dead in Fort Marcy Park. Three days later, attorney Paul Wilcher, allegedly investigating "The Octopus" was found dead."

From here.

And now Bin Laden... other articles point out that there's possibly hooks in this software to reverse spy on those who use it. Kinda a hack the hackers sort of thing. I imagine the Russkies disabled this?

This could be huge - Bin Laden's intellegence network possibly knows WAY too much about what our gov't is doing.

[The Real Deal]

Fighting over 20 year old software is a bit like fighting over a 20 year old lawn mower.

Maybe that lawn mower was 40 years ahead of its time.

[PRND21]

PROMIS user guide

[StolarStorm]

Thanks for the links. It seems that PROMIS's main strength is its ability to integrate disparate Database Systems. Other than that its just another contact Database with good data retrieval/reporting tools. Nothing special. There are a number of data integration systems out there. I've written code for similiar systems (in the oil/gas field).

I guess the key is: The government put a trap door in it and then sold it cheap to foreign governments... so the US could spy on the databases of those entities. Sounds brilliant! Too bad the trap door key got dispersed. Now every hacker in the world can read the same info.

[openotherend]

Could it be Promis V20.2 beta?

[artios]

Here is a link to another older thread on the SW Promis Software

[PRND21]

Fighting over 20 year old software is a bit like fighting over a 20 year old lawn mower.

Lawnmowers don't automatically update...

By May 99, PROMIS will automatically update the software to the most current version. This eliminates the need to have LAN administrators refresh individual computers every time WES improves the software.

PROMIS SITREP

[Ted]

Different SW. Here's another quote from the above links:

"In September 1993, CIA Director R. James Woolsey told INSLAW counsel Elliot L. Richardson that the CIA is using a PROMIS software system that it acquired from the NSA and that is identical to the PROMIS software that NSA uses internally and that is described on page 80 of the Bua Report. The application domain of the NSA's PROMIS is the mission critical application of tracking the intelligence information it produces. The NSA's PROMIS operates on an IBM mainframe computer. This latest CIA disclosure underscores the difficulty the CIA has had in accounting for its PROMIS. The CIA initially told the House Judiciary Committee in writing that it had been unable to locate internally any PROMIS software. Approximately one year later, the CIA wrote again to the House Judiciary Committee, stating that components of the CIA were operating a software system called PROMIS but that it had purchased its PROMIS from a company in Massachusetts. That PROMIS operates on a personal computer with project management as the application domain. In both written reports, the CIA inexplicably failed to mention the PROMIS that operates on an IBM mainframe computer at the CIA and that is critical to the CIA's primary mission of producing intelligence information."

Other than that it's not a terribly important SW package...

[artios]

Designed as case-management software for federal prosecutors, PROMIS has the ability to combine disparate databases, and to track people by their involvement with the legal system. Hamilton and others now claim that the DOJ has modified PROMIS to monitor intelligence operations, agents and targets, instead of legal cases. (from Wired link above)

[manumission]

Here is a previous FR thread on the issue.

PROMIS

[anniegetyourgun]

PM Sharon is talking a Palestinian state, Arafat is losing his grip on Hamas & Hezbollah, folks are choosing up sides, and then there is this. Don't you think there is someone out there who might be able to step up to the plate to solve all these problems? He could take controls of information and financial difficulties. He could get all the "kings" together and bring "peace and security." He could co-opt all the major world religious leaders - to preach tolerance and common ground. Why, he could even sign an agreement with all the parties.

Nah, wouldn't happen....

[11bravo]

actually it is a fairly primative relational database, not a contact database. It is far inferior to SQL.

[11bravo]

Exactly. It was a process driven early MRP system. A more useful system (for OBL) would be a BOM (Bill of Materials) oriented package.

[Ted]

Ping

[Book Man]

Ping it..

Regards,

Bookman

[openotherend]

To keep this brief, let me state a conclusion now: PROMIS software is the software that will be used by the antichrist in the final period of this age to track everyone, to see that none buy or sell lest they receive his 'mark'.

I had forgotten about this notion.

[vbmoneyspender]

I okay, I read it. Now, if someone could explain to me how release of this software is damaging. If it is glorified database software, then the importance isn't in the software but in the passwords so that you can extract the information that you want. If that is the case, then it is not the software that is the key, but the passwords. And if that is true, then changing the passwords solves that problem.

[zevonfan]

Promis is a big deal and also involved with Koresh at WACO

Also the reason Kennedy was shot. It is so top secret it was stored at area 51.

[backhoe]

Also:

Real History Archives Inslaw / PROMIS Co...

TALE OF SPIES AND CONSPIRACIES [INSLAW a...

EFF "Cases - INSLAW" Archive

Federal Corruption INSLAW

A Primer on INSLAW

Intelligence on the Web

[Ted]

Ping for truth. Regards.

[Lizzy W]

Can someone explain -- in NON programmer terms -- how this program is used and why it would be a threat to national security? I'm lost.

[Ada Coddington]

Know that Promis is a big deal and also involved with Koresh at WACO.

How definite is that, i.e., do we know for a fact that a Davidian helped develop the software?

[lucyblue]

I nearly fell off my chair when I heard this on Fox!
I didn't catch it all so I did a quick Google search.
There sure wasn't much (nothing current) but I did find this:
(You gotta scroll down a little bit....)

INSLAW INVESTIGATION RE-OPENED BY CANADIAN MOUNTIES

Spy computer `trap' probed.
Rigged software claimed to hack intelligence files
By Valerie Lawton and Allan Thompson © 8/25/00
Toronto Star Ottawa Bureau