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Bin Laden and Promis Software
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Posted on 10/16/2001 3:13:33 PM PDT by artios

Foxnews, Carl Cameron just reported - Spy Hansen sold software to Russinas who sold it to Bin Laden. Promis allows him to monitor all the opeartions against him including financial. Listed some countries that have stopped using it. May have missed some details - searched and saw no post. Know that Promis is a big deal and also involved with Koresh at WACO. Al-Qeada youths are as aware of cracks in the worlds financial.... as they are of the lines in their hands.. Bin Laden being in a cave is not the issue - others in his network can log in and monitor.


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To: thunderdome
Attorney General Janet Reno initiated a new investigation, this one conducted by the Office of the Associate Attorney General. That investigation also concluded that Inslaw's claims were false.

DOJ link

21 posted on 10/16/2001 3:36:58 PM PDT by PRND21
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To: artios
Give me a break!!!! Promis is a logistics and accounting software package first developed by IP Sharp in the 80's. The only thing it could do for OBL would be to monitor his assets and acquisitions. This would tell him which cave they were burried in. It is also riddled with "back doors" that I am sure the CIA has access to.
22 posted on 10/16/2001 3:37:45 PM PDT by 11bravo
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To: 11bravo
bump.
23 posted on 10/16/2001 3:38:47 PM PDT by vbmoneyspender
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To: longleaf
I misspelled his last name. It's Danny Casolaro. It's pretty obvious to me that this brave young man was murdered.

The Octopus: Secret Government and the Death of Danny Casolaro

24 posted on 10/16/2001 3:40:47 PM PDT by longleaf
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To: PRND21
Fighting over 20 year old software is a bit like fighting over a 20 year old lawn mower.
25 posted on 10/16/2001 3:42:34 PM PDT by eno_
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To: longleaf
Don't forget Vince Foster:

"On July 12, 1993 Inslaw submitted a 90-page rebuttal of the Bua report to Associate Attorney General Webster Hubbell. The rebuttal offered evidence that the Bua report was false. What Inslaw probably did not know at time, however, was that Webster Hubbell's and White House Deputy Counsel Vince Foster apparently were linked to both Iran-Contra and Inslaw through two Arkansas companies called Park-on-Meter and Systematics.

On July 20, 1993 Vince Foster was found dead in Fort Marcy Park. Three days later, attorney Paul Wilcher, allegedly investigating "The Octopus" was found dead."

From here.

And now Bin Laden... other articles point out that there's possibly hooks in this software to reverse spy on those who use it. Kinda a hack the hackers sort of thing. I imagine the Russkies disabled this?

This could be huge - Bin Laden's intellegence network possibly knows WAY too much about what our gov't is doing.

26 posted on 10/16/2001 3:44:12 PM PDT by Ted
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To: eno_
Fighting over 20 year old software is a bit like fighting over a 20 year old lawn mower.

Maybe that lawn mower was 40 years ahead of its time.

27 posted on 10/16/2001 3:44:29 PM PDT by The Real Deal
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To: vbmoneyspender
PROMIS user guide
28 posted on 10/16/2001 3:44:40 PM PDT by PRND21
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To: openotherend; thunderdome
Thanks for the links. It seems that PROMIS's main strength is its ability to integrate disparate Database Systems. Other than that its just another contact Database with good data retrieval/reporting tools. Nothing special. There are a number of data integration systems out there. I've written code for similiar systems (in the oil/gas field).

I guess the key is: The government put a trap door in it and then sold it cheap to foreign governments... so the US could spy on the databases of those entities. Sounds brilliant! Too bad the trap door key got dispersed. Now every hacker in the world can read the same info.

29 posted on 10/16/2001 3:45:56 PM PDT by StolarStorm
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To: The Real Deal
Could it be Promis V20.2 beta?
30 posted on 10/16/2001 3:47:19 PM PDT by openotherend
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To: StolarStorm
Here is a link to another older thread on the SW Promis Software
32 posted on 10/16/2001 3:51:43 PM PDT by artios
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To: openotherend
Fighting over 20 year old software is a bit like fighting over a 20 year old lawn mower.

Lawnmowers don't automatically update...

By May 99, PROMIS will automatically update the software to the most current version. This eliminates the need to have LAN administrators refresh individual computers every time WES improves the software.

PROMIS SITREP

33 posted on 10/16/2001 3:55:16 PM PDT by PRND21
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To: GalFromTheBay
Different SW. Here's another quote from the above links:

"In September 1993, CIA Director R. James Woolsey told INSLAW counsel Elliot L. Richardson that the CIA is using a PROMIS software system that it acquired from the NSA and that is identical to the PROMIS software that NSA uses internally and that is described on page 80 of the Bua Report. The application domain of the NSA's PROMIS is the mission critical application of tracking the intelligence information it produces. The NSA's PROMIS operates on an IBM mainframe computer. This latest CIA disclosure underscores the difficulty the CIA has had in accounting for its PROMIS. The CIA initially told the House Judiciary Committee in writing that it had been unable to locate internally any PROMIS software. Approximately one year later, the CIA wrote again to the House Judiciary Committee, stating that components of the CIA were operating a software system called PROMIS but that it had purchased its PROMIS from a company in Massachusetts. That PROMIS operates on a personal computer with project management as the application domain. In both written reports, the CIA inexplicably failed to mention the PROMIS that operates on an IBM mainframe computer at the CIA and that is critical to the CIA's primary mission of producing intelligence information."

Other than that it's not a terribly important SW package...

34 posted on 10/16/2001 3:55:53 PM PDT by Ted
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To: StolarStorm
Designed as case-management software for federal prosecutors, PROMIS has the ability to combine disparate databases, and to track people by their involvement with the legal system. Hamilton and others now claim that the DOJ has modified PROMIS to monitor intelligence operations, agents and targets, instead of legal cases. (from Wired link above)
35 posted on 10/16/2001 3:56:24 PM PDT by artios
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To: artios
Here is a previous FR thread on the issue.

PROMIS

37 posted on 10/16/2001 3:59:19 PM PDT by manumission
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To: logos
PM Sharon is talking a Palestinian state, Arafat is losing his grip on Hamas & Hezbollah, folks are choosing up sides, and then there is this. Don't you think there is someone out there who might be able to step up to the plate to solve all these problems? He could take controls of information and financial difficulties. He could get all the "kings" together and bring "peace and security." He could co-opt all the major world religious leaders - to preach tolerance and common ground. Why, he could even sign an agreement with all the parties.

Nah, wouldn't happen....

38 posted on 10/16/2001 4:00:13 PM PDT by anniegetyourgun
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To: StolarStorm
actually it is a fairly primative relational database, not a contact database. It is far inferior to SQL.
39 posted on 10/16/2001 4:00:41 PM PDT by 11bravo
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To: GalFromTheBay
Exactly. It was a process driven early MRP system. A more useful system (for OBL) would be a BOM (Bill of Materials) oriented package.
40 posted on 10/16/2001 4:02:38 PM PDT by 11bravo
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