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Posted on 10/16/2001 4:34:35 PM PDT by Admiral_Zeon

Where can I find a study that proves guns reduce crime. It's for a liberal friend. Thanx.


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1 posted on 10/16/2001 4:34:35 PM PDT by Admiral_Zeon
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To: Admiral_Zeon
"More Guns, Less Crime" - John Lott
2 posted on 10/16/2001 4:35:38 PM PDT by TomServo
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To: TomServo
What's the URL?
3 posted on 10/16/2001 4:36:19 PM PDT by Admiral_Zeon
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To: Admiral_Zeon
There are no liberal friends. Only liberal "associates".
4 posted on 10/16/2001 4:36:35 PM PDT by Glenn
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To: Admiral_Zeon
Click here too..
5 posted on 10/16/2001 4:36:44 PM PDT by TomServo
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To: Admiral_Zeon
Look into the crime statistics in Kennesaw, GA in years since they passed pro gun laws.
6 posted on 10/16/2001 4:37:46 PM PDT by TheLurkerX
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To: Admiral_Zeon
If guns don't reduce crime then we should disarm police officers and give them flowers instead...
7 posted on 10/16/2001 4:38:27 PM PDT by go star go
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To: Admiral_Zeon; *bang_list
Fot starters ( Use ALL their links on these sites )--

-Gunowners

-JPFO--Our Jewish Friends

-Keepandbeararms--New & Agressive

-TheFiringLine--Tech info, good forum

-New Home of the TRT!

-The Second Amendment Sisters

-Women Against Gun Control--

-the Second Amendment Foundation

-Gunfacts--Ammo for the War of Words-hosted by one of FreeRepublic's own--

Statistical Facts Gun-haters Run From


And just FYI---

-Empty-Barrel Gun Policies-A legacy of nonsense from Clinton, Blair, and the Left--

-A Problem With Guns (Long... but SOOOO good)--

Shooting More Holes in Gun Control




8 posted on 10/16/2001 4:39:34 PM PDT by backhoe
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To: go star go
If guns don't reduce crime then we should disarm police officers and give them flowers instead...

Don't tell me - you were in Chicago in 1968 for the Dem convention. ;-)

9 posted on 10/16/2001 4:39:36 PM PDT by TomServo
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To: backhoe
Thank You!!!
10 posted on 10/16/2001 4:40:09 PM PDT by Admiral_Zeon
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To: TomServo
Don't tell me drugs do screw up the children. :-)
11 posted on 10/16/2001 4:40:53 PM PDT by go star go
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To: go star go
lol...
12 posted on 10/16/2001 4:41:23 PM PDT by TomServo
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To: Admiral_Zeon
See reply #2: the definitive study on the subject.
13 posted on 10/16/2001 4:41:39 PM PDT by RightOnline
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To: Admiral_Zeon
Buy your "friend" a sign that reads "NO GUNS IN THIS HOUSE. Then ask him to stick it in his ~er~ front yard. It will give him pause, I hope. fsf
14 posted on 10/16/2001 4:41:58 PM PDT by Free State Four
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To: Admiral_Zeon
AZ, "More Guns, Less Crime" - John Lott, is a book. Order it tonight from Amazon.com or some other book.com site.

Every conservative should own a copy! Left Wing extremists hate Dr Lott and his book! He has taken actual crime stats and proven his thesis. Most eye opening are how the crime stats drop like a rock when a state passes a concealed weapon law. A law that allows the good people to carry a concealed weapon! After these laws are passed and a good % of good people start to carry a concealed weapon, the violent crimes against all good people drop!

15 posted on 10/16/2001 4:42:46 PM PDT by Grampa Dave
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To: Admiral_Zeon
Have your lazy liberal "associate" do some research on his own. Tell him to compare crime rates in areas with tight gun control laws with areas in which it is easier to obtain and carry guns.
16 posted on 10/16/2001 4:43:48 PM PDT by SamAdams76
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To: Admiral_Zeon
A google search on "Lott" will turn up more info than you can use.
17 posted on 10/16/2001 4:44:35 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: Free State Four; Admiral_Zeon
Add another sign that says "It takes the cops 15 minutes to get here once I've called them."

That'll really set the friend up nicely.

18 posted on 10/16/2001 4:44:42 PM PDT by HiJinx
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To: Admiral_Zeon
Second Amendment Law Library
19 posted on 10/16/2001 4:46:33 PM PDT by El Sordo
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To: Admiral_Zeon
Dr. John Lott, University of Chicago, I believe.

Check also crime figures from Australia since thier restrictive gun laws were passed about 3 years ago....crime rates UP.

20 posted on 10/16/2001 4:47:33 PM PDT by AuntB
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To: Admiral_Zeon
There is one going on in Afghanistan as we speak. Maybe you've heard about it?
21 posted on 10/16/2001 4:47:46 PM PDT by John Jamieson
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To: zcat
BUMP
22 posted on 10/16/2001 4:49:36 PM PDT by shaggy eel
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To: AuntB
Thier!!! ??? Sorry! Wish my eyeballs could keep up with my fingers!
23 posted on 10/16/2001 4:50:56 PM PDT by AuntB
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To: Admiral_Zeon
Gladly, neighbor- it's a ton of info to wade thru, but it's there!
24 posted on 10/16/2001 4:55:13 PM PDT by backhoe
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To: Admiral_Zeon; backhoe
Don't forget to check out the following!
http://www.armedfemalesofamerica.com/

http://www.liberty-belles.org

http://www.keepandbeararms.com/

Latest self-defense stories that don't get published.

Please give your liberal friend the following message. :)

Then there is the ''standard logic''... the firearm is the great equalizer...a woman CAN defend herself against a rapist, a violent killer etc.. It's the criminal, not the victim who needs to be regulated thank you very much. :)

Would your liberal friend appreicate reading about actual stories...in which a gun was used for self-defense? It's obvious that they prove guns reduce crime. The stopped a crime! :) (see last link above)

25 posted on 10/16/2001 4:59:11 PM PDT by Freedom2specul8
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To: Admiral_Zeon
Concealed Guns Reduce Crime

Q: What does the title mean: More Guns, Less Crime?

A: States with the largest increases in gun ownership also have the largest drops in violent crimes. Thirty-one states now have such laws—called "shall-issue" laws. These laws allow adults the right to carry concealed handguns if they do not have a criminal record or a history of significant mental illness.

Q: It just seems to defy common sense that crimes likely to involve guns would be reduced by allowing more people to carry guns. How do you explain the results?

A: Criminals are deterred by higher penalties. Just as higher arrest and conviction rates deter crime, so does the risk that someone committing a crime will confront someone able to defend him or herself. There is a strong negative relationship between the number of law-abiding citizens with permits and the crime rate—as more people obtain permits there is a greater decline in violent crime rates. For each additional year that a concealed handgun law is in effect the murder rate declines by 3 percent, rape by 2 percent, and robberies by over 2 percent.

Concealed handgun laws reduce violent crime for two reasons. First, they reduce the number of attempted crimes because criminals are uncertain which potential victims can defend themselves. Second, victims who have guns are in a much better position to defend themselves.

Q: What is the basis for these numbers?

A: The analysis is based on data for all 3,054 counties in the United States during 18 years from 1977 to 1994.

Q: Your argument about criminals and deterrence doesn't tell the whole story. Don't statistics show that most people are killed by someone they know?

A: You are referring to the often-cited statistic that 58 percent of murder victims are killed by either relatives or acquaintances. However, what most people don't understand is that this "acquaintance murder" number also includes gang members killing other gang members, drug buyers killing drug pushers, cabdrivers killed by customers they picked up for the first time, prostitutes and their clients, and so on. "Acquaintance" covers a wide range of relationships. The vast majority of murders are not committed by previously law-abiding citizens. Ninety percent of adult murderers have had criminal records as adults.

Q: But how about children? In March of this year four children and a teacher were killed by two school boys in Jonesboro, Arkansas. Won't tragedies like this increase if more people are allowed to carry guns? Shouldn't this be taken into consideration before making gun ownership laws more lenient?

A: The horrific shooting in Arkansas occurred in one of the few places where having guns was already illegal. These laws risk creating situations in which the good guys cannot defend themselves from the bad ones. I have studied multiple victim public shootings in the United States from 1977 to 1995. These were incidents in which at least two or more people were killed and or injured in a public place; in order to focus on the type of shooting seen in Arkansas, shootings that were the byproduct of another crime, such as robbery, were excluded. The effect of "shall-issue" laws on these crimes has been dramatic. When states passed these laws, the number of multiple-victim shootings declined by 84 percent. Deaths from these shootings plummeted on average by 90 percent, and injuries by 82 percent.

For other types of crimes, I find that both children as well as adults are protected when law-abiding adults are allowed to carry concealed handguns.

Finally, after extensively studying the number of accidental shootings, there is no evidence that increasing the number of concealed handguns increases accidental shootings. We know that the type of person who obtains a permit is extremely law-abiding and possibly they are extremely careful in how they take care of their guns. The total number of accidental gun deaths each year is about 1,300 and each year such accidents take the lives of 200 children 14 years of age and under. However, these regrettable numbers of lives lost need to be put into some perspective with the other risks children face. Despite over 200 million guns owned by between 76 to 85 million people, the children killed is much smaller than the number lost through bicycle accidents, drowning, and fires. Children are 14.5 times more likely to die from car accidents than from accidents involving guns.

Q: Wouldn't allowing concealed weapons increase the incidents of citizens attacking each other in tense situations? For instance, sometimes in traffic jams or accidents people become very hostile—screaming and shoving at one another. If armed, might people shoot each other in the heat of the moment?

A: During state legislative hearings on concealed-handgun laws, possibly the most commonly raised concern involved fears that armed citizens would attack each other in the heat of the moment following car accidents. The evidence shows that such fears are unfounded. Despite millions of people licensed to carry concealed handguns and many states having these laws for decades, there has only been one case where a person with a permit used a gun after a traffic accident and even in that one case it was in self-defense.

Q: Violence is often directed at women. Won't more guns put more women at risk?

A: Murder rates decline when either more women or more men carry concealed handguns, but a gun represents a much larger change in a woman's ability to defend herself than it does for a man. An additional woman carrying a concealed handgun reduces the murder rate for women by about 3 to 4 times more than an additional man carrying a concealed handgun reduces the murder rate for men.

Q: Aren't you playing into people's fears and prejudices though? Don't politicians pass these shall-issue laws to mollify middle-class white suburbanites anxious about the encroachment of urban minority crime?

A: I won't speculate about motives, but the results tell a different story. High crime urban areas and neighborhoods with large minority populations have the greatest reductions in violent crime when citizens are legally allowed to carry concealed handguns.

Q: What about other countries? It's often argued that Britain, for instance, has a lower violent crime rate than the USA because guns are much harder to obtain and own.

A: The data analyzed in this book is from the USA. Many countries, such as Switzerland, New Zealand, Finland, and Israel have high gun-ownership rates and low crime rates, while other countries have low gun ownership rates and either low or high crime rates. It is difficult to obtain comparable data on crime rates both over time and across countries, and to control for all the other differences across the legal systems and cultures across countries. Even the cross country polling data on gun ownership is difficult to assess, because ownership is underreported in countries where gun ownership is illegal and the same polls are never used across countries.

Q: This is certainly controversial and there are certain to be counter-arguments from those who disagree with you. How will you respond to them?

A: Some people do use guns in horrible ways, but other people use guns to prevent horrible things from happening to them. The ultimate question that concerns us all is: Will allowing law-abiding citizens to own guns save lives? While there are many anecdotal stories illustrating both good and bad uses of guns, this question can only be answered by looking at data to find out what the net effect is.

Lott's sources are broad and inclusive, and his evidence the most extensive yet assembled, taking full account of the FBI's massive yearly crime figures for all 3,054 U.S. counties over eighteen years, the largest national surveys on gun ownership, as well as state police documents on illegal gun use. His unexpected findings reveal that many of the most commonly held assumptions about gun control and its crime-fighting efficacy are simply wrong. Waiting periods, gun buybacks, and background checks yield virtually no benefits in crime reduction. Instead, Lott argues, "right to carry" laws and legally concealed handguns currently represent the most cost-effective methods available for reducing violent crime.

In what may be his most controversial conclusion, Lott finds that mass public shootings, such as the infamous examples of the Long Island Railroad by Colin Ferguson or the 1996 Empire State Building shooting, are dramatically reduced once law-abiding citizens in a state are allowed to carry concealed handguns.

Lott maintains that criminals generally respond to deterrence: as the risks and potential costs of criminal activity rise, criminals either commit fewer crimes or move on to other areas. The possibility of getting shot by somebody carrying a concealed weapon constitutes a substantial risk, and discourages any sort of physical confrontation. Accordingly, the states now experiencing the largest reductions in crime are also the ones with the fastest-growing rates of gun ownership.

Gun-control laws do not reduce undesirable behaviors.

GUN LICENSING LEADS TO INCREASED CRIME, LOST LIVES

Guns Effective Defense Against Rape

Second Amendment Is Freedom; Don't Compromise

26 posted on 10/16/2001 5:07:19 PM PDT by ATOMIC_PUNK
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To: Admiral_Zeon
Don't argue with him, just shoot him!
27 posted on 10/16/2001 5:20:53 PM PDT by Lonman219
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To: ~Kim4VRWC's~
I'll "lift" those links and put them in my next DUBOB update- thanks! Good info.
28 posted on 10/16/2001 5:31:38 PM PDT by backhoe
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To: Admiral_Zeon
Don't bother. Liberals won't be convinced by anything you show them. They're stupid that way......
29 posted on 10/16/2001 5:41:57 PM PDT by yooper
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To: backhoe
You are quite welcome! I love your links, they are but the best. :)
30 posted on 10/16/2001 6:04:37 PM PDT by Freedom2specul8
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To: Admiral_Zeon
Take your friend for a ride in the worst neighborhood you can find right about the time the bars close. Just before you kick his @ss out of the car, ask him if he would feel better with a gun. LOL. Just kidding.
31 posted on 10/16/2001 7:56:52 PM PDT by Shooter 2.5
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To: Admiral_Zeon
Click on my screen name.

Most of my bookmarks are 2nd Amendment-related.

32 posted on 10/16/2001 8:10:36 PM PDT by George Smiley
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To: Lonman219
Thanks for a good laugh! You really caught me off-guard, there.
33 posted on 10/16/2001 8:12:28 PM PDT by Concentrate
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