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Science Stunned by Virgin of Guadalupe´s Eyes
Zenit News Org ^ | January 14, 2001 | Zenith News Org

Posted on 10/16/2001 10:09:15 PM PDT by topher

Engineer Sees a Reflection, Literally, From a Scene in 1531

ROME, JAN. 14, 2001 (ZENIT.org) .- Digital technology is giving new leads in understanding a phenomenon that continues to puzzle science: the mysterious eyes of the image of Virgin of Guadalupe.

The image, imprinted on the tilma of a 16th-century peasant, led millions of indigenous Indians in Mexico to convert to the Catholic faith. Last week in Rome, results of research into the famed image were discussed by engineer José Aste Tonsmann of the Mexican Center of Guadalupan Studies during a conference at the Pontifical Athenaeum Regina Apostolorum.

For over 20 years, this graduate of environmental systems engineering of Cornell University has studied the image of the Virgin left on the rough maguey fiber fabric of Juan Diego’s tilma. What intrigued Tonsmann the most were the eyes of the Virgin.

Though the dimensions are microscopic, the iris and the pupils of the image’s eyes have imprinted on them a highly detailed picture of at least 13 people, Tonsmann said. The same people are present in both the left and right eyes, in different proportions, as would happen when human eyes reflect the objects before them.

Tonsmann says he believes the reflection transmitted by the eyes of the Virgin of Guadalupe is the scene on Dec. 9, 1531, during which Juan Diego showed his tilma, with the image, to Bishop Juan de Zumárraga and others present in the room.

In his research, Tonsmann used a digital process used by satellites and space probes in transmitting visual information.

He insists that the image "that has not been painted by human hand." As early as the 18th century, scientists showed that it was impossible to paint such an image in a fabric of that texture. The "ayate" fibers used by the Indians, in fact, deteriorated after 20 years. Yet, the image and the fabric it is imprinted on have lasted almost 470 years ago.

Tonsmann pointed out that Richard Kuhn, a Nobel Prize winner in chemistry, has found that the image did not have natural, animal or mineral colorings. Given that there were no synthetic colorings in 1531, the image is inexplicable.

In 1979, Americans Philip Callahan and Jody B. Smith studied the image with infrared rays and discovered to their surprise that there was no trace of paint and that the fabric had not been treated with any kind of technique.

"[How] it is possible to explain this image and its consistency in time without colors, on a fabric that has not been treated?" Tonsmann asked. "[How] is it possible that, despite the fact there is no paint, the colors maintain their luminosity and brilliance?"

Tonsmann, a Peruvian engineer, added, "Callahan and Smith showed how the image changes in color slightly according to the angle of viewing, a phenomenon that is known by the word iridescence, a technique that cannot be reproduced with human hands."

The scientist began his study in 1979. He magnified the iris of the Virgin’s eyes 2,500 times and, through mathematical and optical procedures, was able to identify all the people imprinted in the eyes.

The eyes reflect the witnesses of the Guadalupan miracle, the moment Juan Diego unfurled his tilma before the bishop, according to Tonsmann. In other words, the Virgin’s eyes have the reflection that would have been imprinted in the eyes of any person in her position.

In the eyes, Tonsmann believes, it is possible to discern a seated Indian, who is looking up to the heavens; the profile of a balding, elderly man with a white beard, much like the portrait of Bishop Zumárraga, painted by Miguel Cabrera, to depict the miracle; and a younger man, in all probability interpreter Juan González.

Also present, Tonsmann believes, is an Indian, likely Juan Diego, of striking features, with a beard and mustache, who unfolds his own tilma before the bishop; a woman of dark complexion, possibly a Negro slave who was in the bishop’s service; and a man with Spanish features who looks on pensively, stroking his beard with his hand.

In a word, the Virgin’s eyes bear a kind of instant picture of what occurred at the moment the image was unveiled in front of the bishop, Tonsmann says.

Moreover, in the center of the pupils, on a much more reduced scale, another scene can be perceived, independent of the first, the scientist contends. It is that of an Indian family made up of a woman, a man and several children. In the right eye, other people who are standing appear behind the woman.

Tonsmann ventured to express why he believes the Virgin’s eyes have a "hidden" message for modern times, when technology is able to discover it. "This could be the case of the picture of the family in the center of the Virgin’s eye," he says, "at a time when the family is under serious attack in our modern world."

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To: topher
...a phenomenon that is known by the word iridescence, a technique that cannot be reproduced with human hands.

Although a great fan of Isaac Newton, who replicated and extensively studied the phenomenon of iridescence (Optics, Book II), I must protest this attempt to elevate him to the status of a divinity.

41 posted on 10/17/2001 1:19:56 AM PDT by John Locke
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To: Alberta's Child
Until 1531, Mexico was clearly divided into classes of wealthy Catholic Spaniards and the poor Indians who were often exploited by the ruling class."

You misspelled "2001". Not that there's much chance of it stopping this year, of course.

42 posted on 10/17/2001 2:43:03 AM PDT by Don Joe
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To: Storm Orphan; Senator Pardek
"You're a nutcase. I have reams of files and notes to prove it."

Oh good grief, you're stalking people here? Sheesh!

43 posted on 10/17/2001 2:46:10 AM PDT by Don Joe
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To: Alberta's Child
I may be wrong about this, but I thought the pattern of stars shown on the Lady's cloak also matched the stars in the sky on the day she appeared to Juan Diego. Is this true?

No. The stars were painted onto the original image years later.

44 posted on 10/17/2001 5:59:28 AM PDT by A Ruckus of Dogs
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To: Arthur McGowan
Luke 1:48 "Because he hath regarded the humility of his handmaid; for behold from henceforth all generations shall call me blessed."
45 posted on 10/17/2001 6:30:12 AM PDT by SMEDLEYBUTLER
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To: mercy
Luke 1:48 "Because he hath regarded the humility of his handmaid; for behold from henceforth all generations shall call me blessed."

Don't dis the Mother of God.

46 posted on 10/17/2001 6:34:02 AM PDT by SMEDLEYBUTLER
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To: Senator Pardek
I thought I did have the requisite reputation. Apparently the most blatant sarcasm is lost on some people. How does it feel to be the only one out or six or seven people smart enough to recognize a joke? Pretty good, huh?
47 posted on 10/17/2001 7:07:56 AM PDT by Arthur McGowan
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To: d4now
Obviously, irony is lost on some people.
48 posted on 10/17/2001 7:08:56 AM PDT by Arthur McGowan
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To: classygreeneyedblonde
Obviously, irony is lost on some people.
49 posted on 10/17/2001 7:09:16 AM PDT by Arthur McGowan
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To: topher
Obviously, irony is lost on some people.
50 posted on 10/17/2001 7:09:45 AM PDT by Arthur McGowan
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To: topher
Obviously, irony is lost on some people.
51 posted on 10/17/2001 7:10:10 AM PDT by Arthur McGowan
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To: SMEDLEYBUTLER
Obviously, irony is lost on some people.
52 posted on 10/17/2001 7:10:29 AM PDT by Arthur McGowan
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To: RobbyS
Take your anti-Catholic bigotry elsewhere. Or else you explain how it is that this painting exists, on a piece of cheap hemp cloth that should have disintegrated about 500 years ago.
53 posted on 10/17/2001 7:17:04 AM PDT by Arthur McGowan
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To: Arthur McGowan
"Where ignorance is bliss, 'Tis folly to be wise." Gray
54 posted on 10/17/2001 7:32:48 AM PDT by SMEDLEYBUTLER
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To: allend
When I first started reading this thread, the first thing which came to mind was "time to dig out the tin foil hats!"

After looking at the photos, I realize I was wrong. Wishful thinking is really the worst I can say. People so desperate for something, they find it in nothing. I can only imagine what believers find in the cloud patterns on a daily basis!

57 posted on 10/17/2001 8:17:45 AM PDT by hinj
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To: mercy
And yet you troubled yourself to click the link and then post a reply. Why didn't you just keep scrolling? Loser.
58 posted on 10/17/2001 8:29:52 AM PDT by Straight Vermonter
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To: Arthur McGowan
Or else you explain how it is that this painting exists, on a piece of cheap hemp

Hemp ... when you really want to keep something.

More evidence for ending the War on Hemp/Marijuana!!!!

59 posted on 10/17/2001 8:36:27 AM PDT by That Poppins Woman
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To: allend
Thanks for the link to the pics (#55 above). Are there any others out there that are clearer. The ones on that page, and the accompanying text, present an extremely weak (at best) case for "images" in the eyes. I mean, I could look at the paneling on my wall and see endless images of the Virgin Mary and a pantheon of saints in the woodgrain patterns. But then, is that just my overactive imagination, or what? Or perhaps it helps if we see the miraculous even in the simple things?

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60 posted on 10/17/2001 8:43:25 AM PDT by ppaul
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