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The collapsing birthrate in the developed world
Homiletic and Pastoral Review | February 2001 | Fr John F. Kobler

Posted on 10/17/2001 12:06:45 PM PDT by ex-snook

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To: ex-snook
In the old days, having kids was a blessing. They helped with the farm work. Mom stayed home taking care of house, and if the kids bothered her too much, she sent them outside.

Today, child labor laws make kids an economic burden. Mom has a job outside the home and gets squeezed if she has to take care of kids too. And you can't send the kids outside because the streets have become too dangerous.

I'm not advocating something here, I'm just pointing out what's going on.

101 posted on 10/18/2001 1:56:12 PM PDT by 537 Votes
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To: ikanakattara
Since homeschoolers are probably no more than 2% of families, even if homeschoolers all had 5-7 kids (which they mostly don't), it would not make a sizeable dent in the birth dearth.

Actually, homeschoolers have six times the number of large families (over 4 children) than the general population. And, though large families compromise less than 6% of families in the U.S., 25% of children ages 12-18 live in large families. (1998 Census Study)

IMOHO, one quarter of a universe is a pretty large dent.

102 posted on 10/18/2001 2:03:43 PM PDT by antidisestablishment
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To: JMJ333
Are the Christians being slaughtered or not? Or can you be bothered with that information?

Are the Falun Gong members being slaughtered in China? Are they being used as LIVE organ donors for the elite in China? YES.

And again, with the multi-billion dollar a year War on Drugs - 30+ years, the soon-to-be multi-billion dollar a year War on Terrorism - est. 10+ years, who is going to pay for the War on Those Who Murder Christians?

Religion has been the most powerful driving force in the creation of nations and the slaughter of the residents of this planet. Of course, mankind is not limited to using religion as an excuse.

I oppose all of the above plus Fertility clinics.

You oppose all (publicly and privately funded) FSCR, you have divested yourself of each company that does it (private or public), you never buy anything from the companies that do FSCR, you have established a living will for you and your family to refuse all drug treatments that were derived from FSCR? Even if your child's or spouse's life depended on it?

If so, you're only the 2nd FReeper who has made this effort. Or maybe you're the only FReeper ... I can't remember the sign-on of the other pro-lifer who stated that they were committed to this.

103 posted on 10/18/2001 2:58:07 PM PDT by That Poppins Woman
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To: Campion
ugly anti-Catholic bigotry

You stated that this was evident in my post #85. Please post the exact wording of my post that was anti-Catholic.

Personally, being raised Catholic and educated within the Catholic school system, I find it hard to believe that I could break that brainwashing so significantly as to appear to be anti-what-I-am.

104 posted on 10/18/2001 3:00:56 PM PDT by That Poppins Woman
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To: ex-snook
ME: I hope you don't think those guys that landed on Normandy beach were nuts to sacrifice not only their future but their lives for something other than 'me'.

YOU No, I don't think they were nuts.

Is that an agreement that there are things more important than 'me'?

No. I merely don't think its nuts for someone to sacrifice their future and their lives for something other than themselves. Were they all volunteers? Or were some drafted, i.e., no choice?

If I choose to regard something as more important than my life and my future, that is entirely up to me. If I choose to sacrifice ANYTHING, that is up to me. No one else. Not you. Not any silly religion. No dandified bishop. Nobody's little tin god. No government, nor representative of a government. Ayn Rand was right about this. No one else.

105 posted on 10/18/2001 3:11:38 PM PDT by That Poppins Woman
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To: 537 Votes
Now you are sure right about "Mom has a job outside the home and gets squeezed if she has to take care of kids too. And you can't send the kids outside because the streets have become too dangerous. "

Those moms are more than great. No way a collapsing birthrate can be put on them. But there is the 'selfish-me' generation who feel children would impact their life style and opt out.

But government policies are not without blame eitherfor forcing this life on mothers. Good paying jobs for men without college have disappeared or been exported. The 'marriage penalty' tax is around for years. Our social security 'ponzi scheme' requires the young to pay for the old while aborting the young and making the raising of these future taxpayers a current economic burden. Now missing those children aborted over these many years, we rely on importing immigrants to fill the job ranks.

106 posted on 10/18/2001 3:17:30 PM PDT by ex-snook
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To: That Poppins Woman
I notice you always leave out your original words which were: "Are we all saying that a free person in this country must subjugate their goals and dreams for their life, in order to fulfill a duty, one that is not their choice, but instead imposed upon them by a fearful society?" "

and now your follow-up No. I merely don't think its nuts for someone to sacrifice their future and their lives for something other than themselves. Were they all volunteers? Or were some drafted, i.e., no choice? "

You approve that others should sacrifice their lives at Normandy but it is not what you would ever do. It does not matter if those troops on D-Day were draftees or not, when sacrifice was called for they did not hide in a hole. I will not bother to ask you if those firemen who ran into the WTC were nuts also to do their duty 'imposed on them by a fearful society '. Your self-absorption is beyond hope at this time.

107 posted on 10/18/2001 3:38:31 PM PDT by ex-snook
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To: ex-snook
I notice you always leave out your original words which were: "Are we all saying that a free person in this country must subjugate their goals and dreams for their life, in order to fulfill a duty, one that is not their choice, but instead imposed upon them by a fearful society?" "

Yo, stupid! Notice the QUESTION MARK AT THE END OF THE WORDS!!!!!!!! IN ENGLISH, THAT MEANS IT IS A QUESTION.

When you complete your "Beginning English for Osama Butt Kissers", call me.

And I'll ask the question again, since no one here seems to have the cojones or the attention span to answer it. My original question stands:

Are we all saying that a free person in this country must subjugate their goals and dreams for their life, in order to fulfill a duty, one that is not their choice, but instead imposed upon them by a fearful society?

and now your follow-up No. I merely don't think its nuts for someone to sacrifice their future and their lives for something other than themselves. Were they all volunteers? Or were some drafted, i.e., no choice? "

You approve that others should sacrifice their lives at Normandy but it is not what you would ever do.

No. Apparently, you have the reading comprehension of an illiterate. Hezeus Marumba ... what are you, one of the Afghani women who were forbidden to learn how to read or write? Adjust your veil before the Taliban enforcer beats you, honey!

I don't approve of anyone sacrificing ANYTHING when it is not their own choice. PERIOD. Sacrifice is a personal choice. Not something that is forced by the STATE, the CHURCH, or brainless, illiterate swine like yourself.

It does not matter if those troops on D-Day were draftees or not,

Yes it does. Vietnam taught us all that lesson.

when sacrifice was called for they did not hide in a hole.

Ah ... the ambiguous "THEY". Well, thank you very much for the Lincoln Tunnel sized brush stroke through WWII history. But I've worked for historians while in college, and I learned from them that nothing -- I REPEAT -- NOTHING has ever been that simple, that generic, that trite. History is composed of individual actions of humans of all stripes.

Do I honor the men who did fight? Yes. My dad was too young for D-Day, but he did get special permission to enter the Navy at 16 or 17, and was in the last group of guys to get the European Occupation Medal. My cousin's name is on the Wall. He died in Vietnam.

I will not bother to ask you if those firemen who ran into the WTC were nuts also to do their duty 'imposed on them by a fearful society '.

Nope, they were not nuts. They were not drafted, they were not forced, they willingly CHOSE to become firemen; they willingly accepted the risk of losing their lives every single day on the job; they freely CHOSE to put aside their priorities, and place the well-being of others ahead of themselves.

Your self-absorption is beyond hope at this time.

And your Midol obviously ran out days ago.

108 posted on 10/19/2001 6:48:35 AM PDT by That Poppins Woman
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To: ex-snook

No chance of recovery.


109 posted on 02/15/2014 11:33:38 AM PST by MinorityRepublican
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To: MinorityRepublican

Wow! How did you come upon my post a dozen years old? I reread it and your answer is even more appropriate today. The saddest part for this country is that the brightest and most capable women and men are electing to opt out of children. Darwin did not count on the competition from lifestyle to negate the survival of the fittest.


110 posted on 02/15/2014 12:19:51 PM PST by ex-snook (God is Love)
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To: ex-snook

Google is your friend. And America has turned into a nihilist society


111 posted on 02/15/2014 1:02:30 PM PST by MinorityRepublican
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