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Islam According to Oprah
National Review ^ | October 2001 | Rod Dreher

Posted on 10/21/2001 3:26:38 AM PDT by yoe

Is Oprah Winfrey a threat to national security? No, but now that the war has begun, I worry about her, and here's why.

The nation cannot afford the naive illusions that have given many Americans comfort in peacetime. Chief among them is the notion, repeated ad nauseam by our leaders and the media, that Islam is a religion of peace. This may not be an outright lie, but it is so far from the full truth as to approach falsehood.

Americans have been told that they shouldn't attack the Muslims among us, and only the lowest of the low would disagree. The American people, with very few exceptions, have risen to the challenge to be humane, decent, and loving toward Muslims in this country. Well and good.

Americans by nature want to think the best of those from other cultures. But we run the risk of blinding ourselves to the nature of the threat facing our country and our civilization. In his 1996 book The Clash of Civilizations and the Remaking of World Order, Harvard's Samuel P. Huntington warned us of deluding ourselves about the true nature of the Islamic threat.

"Some Westerners, including President Bill Clinton, have argued that the West does not have problems with Islam but only with violent Islamist extremists," Huntington wrote. "Fourteen hundred years of history demonstrate otherwise."

We can sit around making diversity quilts and thinking happy thoughts, or we can, with charity, commit ourselves to soberly assessing the historical and present-day reality of "peaceful" Islam, and its relations with non-Muslims.

Which brings us to Oprah. Last Friday, she devoted her program to "Islam 101," purportedly a crash course in the Mohammedan faith for her vast television audience of clueless Americans. It was grossly imbalanced and extremely dishonest. In fact, given how many Christians and other non-Muslims are horrifically persecuted today by Muslims in the name of Islam, it amounted to offensive propaganda.

Oprah called Islam "the most misunderstood of the three major religions" — yet did her best to add to the confusion by candy-coating the complicated truth about the Muslim faith. If you were to take Oprah's show as your guide to Islam, you would think Muslims were basically Episcopalians in veils and turbans.

Take her interview with Queen Rania of Jordan, a lovely, modern young woman who looks more at home in the pages of Vogue than in a hijab. The queen said that Islam "doesn't impose anything" on people — an absurd lie. Oprah asked her about the so-called "honor killings" of women in Jordan, murders committed by men against women in their families who are believed to have shamed the clan. For example, some young women who have been raped are in turn murdered by their male relatives for having stained the family's honor.

Progressive forces, supported by the palace and Jordan's Islamic religious establishment, tried to outlaw these killings in 1999, but were thwarted by the conservative Islamist party in Parliament. Queen Rania, reflecting establishment opinion, told Oprah that honor killings were a "cultural" phenomenon.

If that's true, then why have pre-Islamic Arabic tribal customs been taken up and spread throughout the Muslim world? Moreover, many Islamic religious leaders endorse them, or lesser violent punishment of women for the same dubious offenses.

Anyway, if one grants, for the sake of argument, the queen's contention that the Koran doesn't endorse honor killings, so what? Clearly very many Muslims believe honor killings are Islamic doctrine, and act on those beliefs — and we must be aware of that, and let that reality inform our judgment. If one were a Jew in Torquemada's Spain, it would be useless to be told that the Inquisition was a betrayal of Christianity. Theological disputes would be ancillary to the question of survival: what would matter would be how the local Christians interpreted their faith.

Queen Rania's dismissal of Muslim behavior that brings discredit upon Islam as un-Islamic brings to mind the bankrupt apologies leftists made during the Cold War for Communism. When the wickedness of the Soviets, or other Communist forces, could not be denied, it was claimed that these people did not represent "true" Communism. They may have actually believed that, but those who would be victims of real Communists, not theoretical Communists, didn't have that luxury.

Dr. Maleeha Lodhi, the Pakistani ambassador to the United States, turned up to say that "There is nothing in Islam that does not accord women equal rights." Oprah did not ask her to name one Muslim society in which women enjoy equal rights in the Western sense, because the ambassador would have had to remain silent. Or perhaps not: she had no trouble lying when she asserted that it was "absolutely untrue" that some people in her nation had taken to the streets to celebrate the September 11 attack.

Other quotes, from the program (available at www.oprah.com):

— "Muslims do not think that there is a non-Islamic world out there that we have to conquer. That is not the concept in Islam. Our job is to get to know one another, and the more we do that the better off we are."

— "The main thing we would like non-Muslims to know about our religion is that we're not so different from them."

— "I would like to reassure the American public that Islam does not preach violence."

— "Islam and Christianity and Judaism, and all the world's religions share a common heritage. We come from the same root. And our prophets and the characters in our holy books are the same. In Islam, all the religions are permitted to exist in peace with these others until Judgement Day."

That Oprah let these statements be broadcast unchallenged is appalling, an absurd fantasy that ignores the enormous suffering actual Muslims are inflicting on non-Muslim populations worldwide. "Wherever one looks along the perimeter of Islam, Muslims have problems living peaceably with their neighbors," Harvard's Huntington wrote. "Muslims make up about one-fifth of the world's population but in the 1990s they have been far more involved in intergroup violence than the people of any other civilization. The evidence is overwhelming."

In Sudan, the Muslim government in Khartoum imposed Islamic law nationwide in 1993, and has killed 2 million Sudanese Christians and animists, and enslaved countless more, in an attempt to Islamize the country. Coptic Christians in Egypt, whose presence in that country predates the arrival of Islam, have been slaughtered by fundamentalist Muslims, with authorities doing little or nothing to stop them.

In the Philippines and East Timor, Christians are being massacred by Muslims. Churches and Christian homes in Nigeria are being burned, and Christians murdered, by Muslim extremists. Arab Christians are oppressed by Muslims in the Holy Land, too. In Nazareth, Muslims are building a mosque just steps from the Basilica of the Annunciation, and make no secret of their intent to provoke and intimidate Christians. An imam in Gaza earlier this year broadcast a sermon over Palestinian Authority radio calling on Muslims to murder Christians and Jews as their Islamic duty. The ancient Christian presence in many Arab lands — Syria, Lebanon, Iraq, among others — has been decimated in the last century by Muslim persecution.

The list goes on and on. While it is true that there are relatively peaceful Muslims who wish us no harm — the Sufis of Turkey come to mind, but there are others — it is unarguable that very many Muslims and their leaders despise non-Muslims, attack us rhetorically in religious terms, and wish to see us die for our infidelity to Allah. To these Muslims, many of whom are Wahhabi (the Muslim sect that, according to Islam scholar Stephen Schwartz, accounts for 80 percent of the imams in the United States today), there are two worlds: that of Islam, and that of war. No compromise is possible between them.

What can possibly be gained from ignoring this ugly reality? Nothing — and a great deal to be lost. As Andrew Sullivan notes in Sunday's New York Times Magazine, our leaders' "laudable" post-9/11 efforts to discourage seeing the conflict in religious terms "doesn't hold up under inspection."

"The religious dimension of this conflict is central to its meaning," Sullivan writes, adding that it would be "naive to ignore in Islam a deep thread of intolerance toward unbelievers, especially if those unbelievers are believed to be a threat to the Islamic world."

It's naive to ignore it on a macro level, and it's naive to ignore it on a micro level, too. We know that the Muslims who carried out the 9/11 attacks lived for years peacefully among other Americans. We also know that they couldn't have carried out their operations without the support of others. Further, we know that some mosques and Islamic institutions in this country have been helpful to the jihadists. Believing that the threat to America comes simply from foreign Islamic extremists may make Oprah viewers feel better, but it's dangerous — and it lets moderate, patriotic American Muslims evade their responsibility to repudiate and root out fundamentalists among them. In Sunday's New York Times, a reporter wrote of interviews she had with Muslim American students right here in my own Brooklyn neighborhood. One of the male students said, on the record, that he would abandon the United States and give his own life to back an "observant Muslim who is fighting for an Islamic cause." Oprah honey, this is called sedition, and if there is an Islamic fifth column in this country, the American public needs to know about it.

American Muslims understandably feel pressured now to show the non-Muslim majority that they are no threat, and well-meaning dolts like Oprah are key to this effort. Watching Oprah's "Islam 101" program, I thought of the Lebanese Catholics at my church, who stopped me after a prayer service for the World Trade Center dead to talk, on the record, about the anti-Arab persecution they feared coming.

They all said they knew plenty of Muslims here in New York who were peace-loving people, and that it would be wrong to think ill of them. I asked these Arab Christians if these Muslims supported terrorist organizations, monetarily or otherwise. Every one of them said yes, sheepishly. After the interview was over, the group asked me not to use their last names. They were afraid of being physically attacked by Muslims in their neighborhoods — this, for standing up for America in print.

"That's amazing," I said to them. "You are all Christians living in the United States of America, yet you are afraid to have your names attached to patriotic statements, out of fear that your Muslim neighbors, the same people you are defending to me, will attack you. What does that say about the reality of Islam in America?"

They did not answer me, because they had no answer. Think about that next time you're told that Islam is a religion of peace. There's more to the story than what Oprah is telling you.


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..."Islam views the world as divided between the House of Peace (Dar es Salaam), which is Islamic, and the House of War (Dar el-Harb), which is non-Islamic. World peace, according to Islam, is achieved only when the world is subjected to Dar es Salaam."

"In Uganda, Idi Amin slaughtered 300,000 of his own people, mostly Christians. Why did he do this? Hint: the genocide occurred only after Amin embraced Islam."

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1 posted on 10/21/2001 3:26:38 AM PDT by yoe (yoe)
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To: yoe
Zing!!!
2 posted on 10/21/2001 3:40:32 AM PDT by BossLady
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To: yoe
Good article!
I know two well known Christians who have radio shows and speak out on the truth of this so called "religion of peace". One has a full time body guard and the other takes other measures to try and keep safe. They get serious death threats daily from the "peaceful muslims".
I'm serious as a heart attack here, it is a very dangerous thing to speak the truth about Islam.
And yes I'm aware that every religion has it's nut cases not just the Muslims.
3 posted on 10/21/2001 4:00:08 AM PDT by StayoutdaBushesWay
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To: yoe
[Oprah's show] lets moderate, patriotic American Muslims evade their responsibility to repudiate and root out fundamentalists

So who then lets moderate, patriotic American Christians evade their responsibility to repudiate and root out Christian fundamentalists who kill doctors, maim and blind nurses, and bomb abortion clinics?

4 posted on 10/21/2001 4:09:59 AM PDT by Khaleel
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To: candyman34
most of the anti-islam propaganda is from zionists

It's silly factoids like this that make all your other claims so ignorable. That "blame the Jews" stuff doesn't play so well after 5,000 Americans get killed by Islamic terrorists.

6 posted on 10/21/2001 5:13:00 AM PDT by AppyPappy
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To: Khaleel
More women have died from legal abortion than doctors killed by pro-life extremists.
7 posted on 10/21/2001 5:14:33 AM PDT by AppyPappy
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To: AppyPappy
Islam is the world's largest HATE group.
8 posted on 10/21/2001 5:21:47 AM PDT by cayman99
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To: Khaleel
Khaleel member since October 17th, 2001

Give it up, Muslim apologist. Do you actually believe that anyone here will be taken in by your silliness?
9 posted on 10/21/2001 5:22:45 AM PDT by George W. Bush
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To: George W. Bush
bttt
10 posted on 10/21/2001 5:27:18 AM PDT by winslow
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To: AppyPappy
More women have died from legal abortion than doctors killed by pro-life extremists.

How does this statistic let moderate, patriotic American Christians evade their responsibility to repudiate and root out Christian fundamentalists who kill doctors, maim and blind nurses, and bomb abortion clinics?

11 posted on 10/21/2001 5:33:03 AM PDT by Khaleel
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To: Khaleel
I see you are a big time moral relativist--equating a hand full of Christian fundamentalist with about a billion extremist Moslem pigs. Hopefully, you'll be the next target of the goat-humping rag heads. Then you can judge these things from a personal perspective.
12 posted on 10/21/2001 5:37:40 AM PDT by Cautor
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To: yoe
Learning about Islam from Oprah the AirHead is like taking a course in "Balanced Media" led by Peter Jennings.
13 posted on 10/21/2001 5:40:11 AM PDT by JimVT
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To: yoe
Already posted here.
14 posted on 10/21/2001 5:43:19 AM PDT by SMEDLEYBUTLER
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To: Khaleel
In bashing Islam, let's take a look at Christianity as well.

Dr. Maleeha Lodhi, the Pakistani ambassador to the United States, turned up to say that "There is nothing in Islam that does not accord women equal rights." There is also nothing in the Bible that grants women equal rights as well. In fact, the Bible encourages women to keep silent and obey their husbands.

"Muslims do not think that there is a non-Islamic world out there that we have to conquer. That is not the concept in Islam. Our job is to get to know one another, and the more we do that the better off we are." Christians, through witnessing and missionary travels, DO wish to convert everybody to Christianity.

"I would like to reassure the American public that Islam does not preach violence." Yeah, neither does Christianity. The last statement is what really fuels my fire. More people have either died for, or been killed in the name of religion than for any other cause. Yet, each religion claims to be peace-loving and all-accepting. Why must we continue this futile battle? It seems to me, America forgot about God before these things happened. Now, all of a sudden, we have found Him. Truly, may God help us all

15 posted on 10/21/2001 5:48:38 AM PDT by PurVirgo
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To: Khaleel
Doctors are more of a threat than pro-life extremists. Gag on a gnat and swallow a camel.
16 posted on 10/21/2001 5:53:05 AM PDT by AppyPappy
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To: yoe
Oprah honey, this is called sedition, and if there is an Islamic fifth column in this country, the American public needs to know about it.

Here's a happy thought from Middle East expert Daniel Pipes:

    Islamists constitute a small but significant minority of Muslims, perhaps 10 to 15 per cent of the
    population. Many of them are peaceable in appearance, but they all must be considered
    potential killers.

How does 600,000 to 900,000 -- in our country -- potential killers sound?

Article here...

 America's Fifth Column ... watch JIHAD! In America -- here

17 posted on 10/21/2001 5:54:21 AM PDT by JCG
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To: PurVirgo
There is also nothing in the Bible that grants women equal rights as well. In fact, the Bible encourages women to keep silent and obey their husbands.

One major difference. We don't turn it into laws and beat women who don't follow the law.

Christians, through witnessing and missionary travels, DO wish to convert everybody to Christianity.

Christians cannot convert anyone. Only God can do that. Christians spread the Gospel, not convert people.

18 posted on 10/21/2001 5:56:58 AM PDT by AppyPappy
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To: PurVirgo
More people have either died for, or been killed in the name of religion than for any other cause

BBZZZTTT....wrong answer. Hitler, Stalin and Mao killed more people than anyone. Atheists all.

Bumper stickers are a poor source of data. You may want to consider something more meaty.

19 posted on 10/21/2001 5:59:09 AM PDT by AppyPappy
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To: PurVirgo
Your post is full of dishonesty. It is hard to know where to begin. You say, "There is also nothing in the Bible that grants women equal rights as well. In fact, the Bible encourages women to keep silent and obey their husbands."

Look at Jesus, and the way He treated women. He treated them with respect for their personhood. And, yes, Paul believed that women should be subservient to their husbands. But he also taught that the husband should be a gentle leader. His teachings produce far more happy homes than does feminism, and, yet, avoids the barbarism of islam.

You also quote this line, "Muslims do not think that there is a non-Islamic world out there that we have to conquer. That is not the concept in Islam. Our job is to get to know one another, and the more we do that the better off we are." That is a complete lie.

You then say, "Christians, through witnessing and missionary travels, DO wish to convert everybody to Christianity." Christians attempt to convert others peacefully through appealing to both the intellect and the heart. moslems use the sword.

You then say, "More people have either died for, or been killed in the name of religion than for any other cause"

Look at atheistic communism and nazism, both based on darwinism. There have been misguided Christians who have killed, but never at anything remotely approaching those levels.

I'm sorry. You're an uneducated lout.

20 posted on 10/21/2001 6:02:34 AM PDT by Robert-J
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To: candyman34
most of the anti-islam propaganda is from zionists

Are you back again?

Islam doesn't need any help from "zionists" to create negative propaganda against itself.

bin Laden himself said the murder of 5,600 innocent office workers was a noble tribute to Allah.

That's all we need to know. Islam = evil.

21 posted on 10/21/2001 6:02:49 AM PDT by angkor
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To: Khaleel
So who then lets moderate, patriotic American Christians evade their responsibility to repudiate and root out Christian fundamentalists who kill doctors, maim and blind nurses, and bomb abortion clinics?

These incidents are a rarity.......hardly representative of Christian America.

22 posted on 10/21/2001 6:04:32 AM PDT by He Rides A White Horse
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To: AppyPappy
One major difference. We don't turn it into laws and beat women who don't follow the law.

Only now. Rule of thumb anybody? There was a law that said you couldn't beat your wife with a stick rounder than your thumb.

Christians cannot convert anyone. Only God can do that. Christians spread the Gospel, not convert people.

I know this. You know this. But I was raised in the Bible belt, and those who were not Christians (i.e. went to church on Sunday) were badmouthed as unbeleivers.

I guess the point I'm trying to make is that while we look at Islam, we should also take a look at the other side of the coin.

23 posted on 10/21/2001 6:05:05 AM PDT by PurVirgo
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To: Khaleel
I have a question for you, however..........why do Muslims find women so disgusting?
24 posted on 10/21/2001 6:05:40 AM PDT by He Rides A White Horse
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To: JCG
The ten percent rule has applied to all ideological and religious extremists for centuries. The Revolution was started by this number of extremists against British rule. The Bolsheviks started from this number of extremists against the Czar.

The brown shirts supported Hitler when he first made the move for power in this percentage. As any movement gains strength it starts pulling in members from the complacent middle of the population. This does not give much consolation when we realize that there are as many as seven million Muslims in this country.

25 posted on 10/21/2001 6:09:24 AM PDT by meenie
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To: Son of Rooster
Plus who's Oprah. Anyone who listens to her needs to have their headgear flushed out. She's just one of a bunch of plastic people i.e. celebs.
26 posted on 10/21/2001 6:10:13 AM PDT by Son of Rooster
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To: PurVirgo
There was a law that said you couldn't beat your wife with a stick rounder than your thumb.

There was a law that said you couldn't eat a fried pumpkin on your birthday. Your point?

I know this. You know this. But I was raised in the Bible belt, and those who were not Christians (i.e. went to church on Sunday) were badmouthed as unbeleivers.

Yes but it wasn't the law. But Christian suppression IS the law in many Islamic countries.

I guess the point I'm trying to make is that while we look at Islam, we should also take a look at the other side of the coin.

That remimds me of the Mel Brooks skit where he plays Hitler and chastises the interviewer with "You send your kids to camp too"

27 posted on 10/21/2001 6:14:12 AM PDT by AppyPappy
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To: PurVirgo
Uneducated? compared to what?

Beleive me, I am not endorsing Islam at all. But I am not endorsing christianity either.

this is what I am endorsing

Religion complicates everything

28 posted on 10/21/2001 6:15:00 AM PDT by PurVirgo
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To: He Rides A White Horse
So who then lets moderate, patriotic American Christians evade their responsibility to repudiate and root out Christian fundamentalists who kill doctors, maim and blind nurses, and bomb abortion clinics?

These incidents are a rarity.......hardly representative of Christian America.

As rare as say, 11 in 1.5 billion?
And would numbers nullify the author's contention?

29 posted on 10/21/2001 6:15:14 AM PDT by Khaleel
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To: yoe
bump
30 posted on 10/21/2001 6:17:00 AM PDT by foreverfree
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To: foreverfree
So who then lets moderate, patriotic American Christians evade their responsibility to repudiate and root out Christian fundamentalists who kill doctors, maim and blind nurses, and bomb abortion clinics? These incidents are a rarity.......hardly representative of Christian America. As rare as say, 11 in 1.5 billion? And would numbers nullify the author's contention? These incidents are only rarities when the victims are people that you don't know. It strikes a little closer to home when a friend, neighbor, or family gets involved
31 posted on 10/21/2001 6:20:18 AM PDT by PurVirgo
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To: Khaleel
As rare as say, 11 in 1.5 billion?

And would numbers nullify the author's contention?

Be real. Terrorism is a way of life for Muslims in the Middle East and elsewhere. Of course, you'll just call it something else.

32 posted on 10/21/2001 6:24:30 AM PDT by He Rides A White Horse
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To: Khaleel
Your contention is that the WTC is the only case of terrorism ever perpetuated by Muslims?
33 posted on 10/21/2001 6:26:23 AM PDT by He Rides A White Horse
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To: yoe
It is things like this that have brought us to this point in American History.Our schools and Institutions of Higher learning along with mainstream media have been taken over by liberals and we have not seen to it that they be balanced and correct.The things that have been poured out daily to the masses in this country in the name of equal rights is absured.We do not demand truth and honesty any longer and we allow ourselves and our children to be brainwashed daily as we go about our business of making a living and being entertained.
34 posted on 10/21/2001 6:27:24 AM PDT by gunnedah
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To: gunnedah
THing is, the sheeple don't really want to know what goes on. They would rather put blind faith in our leaders and hope for the best. Even now, not 2 months after, people are not demanding all truth be known.

Ant I had thought that this disaster would wake up the sheeple. Now it just seems like they went back to bed.

35 posted on 10/21/2001 6:34:00 AM PDT by PurVirgo
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To: He Rides A White Horse
I was really hoping to get an answer to the question in post #24. It doesn't look like an answer is forthcoming.
36 posted on 10/21/2001 6:39:07 AM PDT by He Rides A White Horse
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To: StayoutdaBushesWay
it is a very dangerous thing to speak the truth about Islam.

Maybe that is why it is the fastest growing religion on Earth.

Once a country has a large Muslim population, it seems to become very dangerous to resist the Borg. Resistance is futile, you will be assimilated.

37 posted on 10/21/2001 6:40:22 AM PDT by OK
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To: PurVirgo
More people have either died for, or been killed in the name of religion than for any other cause. Yet, each religion claims to be peace-loving and all-accepting.

This statement is only true if you count Socialism as a religion

The tens of millions murdered by the "National Socialists"(Nazis) and "International Socialists" (Stalin, Lennin, Mao, Pol-Pot, etc) in this century far outnumber the total killed in "religious wars" in the prior millenium.

38 posted on 10/21/2001 6:58:55 AM PDT by SauronOfMordor
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To: yoe
Hint: the genocide occurred only after Amin embraced Islam."

Funny that this was never mentioned. Not.

39 posted on 10/21/2001 7:06:13 AM PDT by Aquinasfan
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To: PurVirgo
In fact, the Bible encourages women to keep silent and obey their husbands.

And husbands are supposed to love their wives as Jesus loved us. You forgot that part.

Christians, through witnessing and missionary travels, DO wish to convert everybody to Christianity.

Yes. Peacefully. Respecting free will. Unlike Islam.

40 posted on 10/21/2001 7:10:52 AM PDT by Aquinasfan
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To: yoe
Who are they kidding?

— "Muslims do not think that there is a non-Islamic world out there that we have to conquer. That is not the concept in Islam. Our job is to get to know one another, and the more we do that the better off we are."
— "I would like to reassure the American public that Islam does not preach violence."

Are these guys just trying to lie to us? The quran says other thing about these subjects:

"I will instill terror into the hearts of the unbelievers, smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger-tips of them.It is not ye who slew them; it was Allah." Surah 8:13-17 (See also Surah 8:60 & 9:14)

Muslims must fight until their opponents submit to Islam (surah 9:29).

Mohammed said, "I have been ordered to fight with the people till they say, none has the right to be worshipped but Allah." Hadith vol. 4:196

Resisting Islam is punished by death, crucifixion or the cutting off of the hands and feet (surah 5:33).

The quran also says that: one should avoid to lie where ever one can. This means that lying is allowed.
And when muslims are so peaceful, how about thing like blood-revenge, fatwa's and jihad's?

I'm not fooled by this bunch of clown, no one should be!

Our job is to get to know one another

Well, I've see enough of muslims on 9/11!

41 posted on 10/21/2001 7:28:49 AM PDT by knighthawk
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To: yoe
ISLAM = CULT
42 posted on 10/21/2001 7:48:30 AM PDT by isthisnickcool
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To: yoe
If I were a muslim living in the US I'd get the hell out of here while I still could.
43 posted on 10/21/2001 7:55:14 AM PDT by BADJOE
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To: JCG
Thank you so much for the PBS video. Frightening isn't it
44 posted on 10/21/2001 8:29:06 PM PDT by yoe
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To: yoe
Thank you so much for the PBS video. Frightening isn't it

Indeed it is.  When I found out that outposts of the terror network included such places as Lawrence, Kansas and Columbia, Missouri I knew everyone needed to see it.

 America's Fifth Column ... watch JIHAD! In America -- here

45 posted on 10/22/2001 2:07:46 AM PDT by JCG
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To: JCG
Is there anyway outside of taping it myself, that I can obtain a copy of this tape? Like David and the OK bombing, when no one would listen to him or read the woman's (?) papers, I aim to try. Thanks
46 posted on 10/22/2001 7:08:58 AM PDT by yoe
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To: yoe
Is there anyway outside of taping it myself, that I can obtain a copy of this tape?

You can download the file (about 8 Mb) by entering the following into your browser:

     http://www.ou.org/ftprm/jihad.rm

Also, I think videotape copies are for sale on the Web.  You might try www.ou.org as a starting place or a Google search might turn up the link.

 America's Fifth Column ... watch JIHAD! In America -- here

47 posted on 10/22/2001 9:03:46 AM PDT by JCG
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To: George W. Bush
This has been posted before..my guess is they are so short on supportive material they have to keep going back to the spiritually blind "stars" for support
48 posted on 10/22/2001 1:09:35 PM PDT by RnMomof7
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To: Robert-J
This pretty much cuts to the chase concerning Christ's plan for women.

Galations 3:28-29

There is neither Jew nor Greek, slave nor free, male nor female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.
If you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

49 posted on 10/22/2001 1:20:33 PM PDT by Tribune7
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To: PurVirgo
Only now. Rule of thumb anybody? There was a law that said you couldn't beat your wife with a stick rounder than your thumb.

That's not a teaching found in either the Old or New Testaments. It is certainly not a Christian teaching

50 posted on 10/22/2001 1:22:39 PM PDT by Tribune7
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