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WorldNet Daily ^ | OCTOBER 23 | Jon Dougherty

Posted on 10/23/2001 8:43:00 AM PDT by concerned about politics

Home-schoolers
outperform peers Home-schooled children in Canada and the United States are more "academically advanced" than their public and private school-educated peers, according to a noted policy research group.

The Washington, D.C.-based National Center for Policy Analysis, citing a Canadian research group's findings last week, said North American home-schoolers' average test scores were higher "at every grade level."

In the U.S., "home-schooled students' average scores were between the 82nd and the 92nd percentile in reading and reached the 85th percentile in math – with home-schoolers' overall test scores placing them between the 75th and 85th percentiles," the NCPA report said.

By contrast, "public school students scored at the 50th percentile, while private school students' scores ranged from the 65th to the 75th percentile," said the center.

In Canada, the results were similar, said the report, quoting Canada's Frasier Institute, which conducted the study.

"The largest study to date in Canada found that home-schooling students, on average, score at the 80th percentile in reading, at the 76th percentile in language and at the 79th percentile in mathematics," said the center. "The Canadian average for all public and privately educated students is the 50th percentile."

The center said the Canadian experience with home schooling appeared to mirror the success of the United States.

"Home-schooled students also surpass the national averages on both of the major college-entrance tests – the ACT and the SAT," said the Canadian study, as quoted by the center.

Parents who choose to home-school their kids also seem to be, on average, better educated.

"Among American parents who home-school, 81 percent have studied beyond high school compared with 63 percent of parents nationwide. Interestingly, having at least one parent who is a certified teacher has no significant effect on the achievement levels of home-schooled students," the study said.

School choice advocates say the Canadian study's results mirror similar studies in the U.S. that highlight the failure of public schools when compared to home schooling or even a private school alternative, where available.

Also, the NCPA said the cost of educating kids in government schools remains high in comparison to non-government alternatives.

The per-pupil cost of education in a public school is about $7,000 a year, according to Department of Education statistics. That compares with about half that amount for private-school children, and anywhere from $300 to $1,000 a year for a home-schooled student.


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1 posted on 10/23/2001 8:43:00 AM PDT by concerned about politics
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To: concerned about politics
Of course we do! Doesn't matter what country we're in, either.
2 posted on 10/23/2001 8:46:10 AM PDT by JenB
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To: concerned about politics; Artist
No surprise here.
3 posted on 10/23/2001 8:47:47 AM PDT by Aquinasfan
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To: concerned about politics
Well you get different stats every time... I don't always read the same numbers for how well homeschooling parents are educated, for example...
4 posted on 10/23/2001 8:48:40 AM PDT by maxwell
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To: concerned about politics
Interestingly, having at least one parent who is a certified teacher has no significant effect on the achievement levels of home-schooled students," the study said.

gotta admit that got a chuckle out of me

5 posted on 10/23/2001 8:51:22 AM PDT by delapaz
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To: maxwell
Well you get different stats every time... I don't always read the same numbers for how well homeschooling parents are educated, for example...

That is because the studies are based on population samples.

6 posted on 10/23/2001 8:53:17 AM PDT by Pete
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To: concerned about politics
Powder..Patch..Ball FIRE!
Another benefit for homeschool teachers is staying current on math, history and science skills as your children advance through their studies! Be amazed at the things you thought you knew well enough to teach and then realize you are doing the assignments along with the kids!...
7 posted on 10/23/2001 8:58:38 AM PDT by BallandPowder
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To: Pete
You'd think "they" would be able to pinpoint education levels a little better than "bachelor's or above" or "redneck highschool dropouts"... Most studies I've glanced over lean toward the latter characterization... Hmmmm...
8 posted on 10/23/2001 8:59:31 AM PDT by maxwell
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To: maxwell
What are you exactly driving at?
9 posted on 10/23/2001 9:07:53 AM PDT by Sangamon Kid
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To: concerned about politics
. Interestingly, having at least one parent who is a certified teacher has no significant effect on the achievement levels of home-schooled students

That speaks volumes.

10 posted on 10/23/2001 9:09:44 AM PDT by A Ruckus of Dogs
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To: concerned about politics
Alliance for the Separation of School and State

11 posted on 10/23/2001 9:10:41 AM PDT by toenail
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To: concerned about politics
I was a little dubious about the home school education the kid next door was getting. Then he showed me his 1590 SAT score. Well done mom & dad!
12 posted on 10/23/2001 9:16:28 AM PDT by nascarnation
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To: Sangamon Kid
What I'm driving at is, maybe I'm biased-- I was homeschooled from 3rd grade up; I've got my own particular issues with it, but I don't appreciate it when outsiders criticize homeschooling... Perhaps I'm too sensitive about it, but seems as though many mainstream reviews are quick to dredge up the whack-jobs and outlyers in the hs community-- the fourth-grade-educated mother of seventeen with triplets on the way who substitutes rug-weaving for 'rithmatic and scrubbing the can for spelling.

Fact is, when folks yank their kids out of the public school system, there is a loss of control somewhere along the line. The school district loses heads, and loses $$ consequently. And God knows what the hell these kids are being taught. We were inundated with "intolerant right-wing conservative propaganda" from an early age, and I still retain that kneejerk conserv reaction to much of our culture...

So you got loose cannons running around. That scares the sh!t outta your typical greasy-faced journalist media type.

13 posted on 10/23/2001 9:20:17 AM PDT by maxwell
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To: maxwell
You'd think "they" would be able to pinpoint education levels a little better than "bachelor's or above" or "redneck highschool dropouts"... Most studies I've glanced over lean toward the latter characterization... Hmmmm...

Gee, I sure would love to see one of the studies that characterizes parents who homeschool as "redneck highschool dropouts". Am I right to assume that you will not be able to produce one?

Actually, I remember you from a few months ago. You were questioning another study (one in a long list) that showed results consistent with the study referenced above.

The truth hurts but in your case it seems to hurt over and over and over again.

14 posted on 10/23/2001 9:24:41 AM PDT by Pete
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To: Pete
What do you think my agenda is, Pete?
15 posted on 10/23/2001 9:25:39 AM PDT by maxwell
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To: murray500
My wife, who has handled 90% of the teaching load over the years was almost a high school dropout. She couldn't wait to get married and have kids. She has taught all 4 of our children at home. We are beginning to see results. Our oldest daughter pulled a 34 on her ACT and has never seen a B grade in her life, including 2 years at the local JC.

I know it's anecdotal, but it shows that home school works very well despite what the educationalists and other nay-sayers argue.

16 posted on 10/23/2001 9:26:45 AM PDT by Sangamon Kid
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To: concerned about politics
"By contrast, "public school students scored at the 50th percentile, ---"

Except in Lake Woebegone, where every child was above average.

17 posted on 10/23/2001 9:28:03 AM PDT by FairWitness
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To: concerned about politics
The per-pupil cost of education in a public school is about $7,000 a year, according to Department of Education statistics.

Classroom full of 20 students would net "about" $140,000. Pay the teacher $40,000 and you have $100,000 left over. Put in half (a huge number, actually) for building maintenance, meals, ancillary personnel who work with kids like music teachers, recess monitors, hall monitors, etc and you still have $50,000 per class to account for. Does a typical school have 6 classes, one each for first through sixth grades? If so they have $300,000 to account for. What are they doing with this money?

If they figured this out, they will have gone a long way to understanding why the state (re)education camps are failing.

Shalom.

18 posted on 10/23/2001 9:28:58 AM PDT by ArGee
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To: maxwell
Re: Post #13. Whoa. Steady, friend. Just backing away nice and slow. My hands up. No sudden movements. Nice and slooowwww....
19 posted on 10/23/2001 9:30:14 AM PDT by Pete
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To: concerned about politics
First year of "home-school" reporting in ...

Wife is relieved, daughter ( Meghan ) loves it, writing in cursive at age 6.

More convinced than ever that sending our kids to the "Gubment Skool" would be tantamount to child abuse.

20 posted on 10/23/2001 9:35:34 AM PDT by MassExodus
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To: maxwell
Well you get different stats every time... I don't always read the same numbers for how well homeschooling parents are educated, for example

You don't need a mother that is well educated to get great results you need a mother that is dedicated to get them. Kids begin teaching themselves when they realize that you are following instructions they begin to realize that they can follow those same instruction, creating a student that is able to learn on his own. A much desired trait in collage!

21 posted on 10/23/2001 9:36:39 AM PDT by Lady Heron
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To: Pete
1st year homeschooler here bookmarking this article. :-)
22 posted on 10/23/2001 9:39:42 AM PDT by goodform
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To: MassExodus
Welcome to the fold. Bless you and your household!
23 posted on 10/23/2001 9:41:05 AM PDT by Sangamon Kid
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To: Lady Heron; Pete
Well I agree. My mother didn't know anything about calculus and intro physics so she threw the textbooks at my head and here I am now, halfway through physics graduate school. I don't know what Pete picked up from my rabid ramblings, but my suggestion is, that too often the popular press discredits and demonizes the homeschooling movement...

As I said, I do have problems with homeschooling. But I don't want anybody else to criticize it. Particularly outsiders.

/rant

24 posted on 10/23/2001 9:43:09 AM PDT by maxwell
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To: concerned about politics
"The Canadian average for all public and privately educated students is the 50th percentile."

For the benefit of those of you who went to public school.

25 posted on 10/23/2001 9:50:10 AM PDT by Right_Wing_Mole_In_Seattle
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To: concerned about politics

The American Civil Defense Association

"TACDA believes that for a government to hold a population hostage to known dangers, as occurred with policies like Mutual Assured Destruction (MAD), is at best irresponsible and goes against the Constitutional mandate to provide for the common defense."

Locate the civil defense agency in your area...and join today!

26 posted on 10/23/2001 9:50:27 AM PDT by Verax
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To: concerned about politics
SHHHH! You don't want to look at this issue. You are threatening big, big, union business. Shut up or you will be sent to the Minestry of Love, Room #101
27 posted on 10/23/2001 9:52:06 AM PDT by blackdog
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To: Pete
Not every family who homeschools have children who score in the upper 90th percentile. I have met a few (emphasis on few) homeschoolers who were lazy, undisciplined, unorganized and produced rude, socially-inept, unmotivated kids. These families don't last long in homeschooling circles, IMHO. Poor homeschoolers are the exception to what I have discovered since I started homeschooling my son. I saw a lot more loser kids (and parents) in the public schools.

I am very fortunate to have a husband who knows a great deal about science and math. He tutors my son and has done an excellent job. My responsibilities include teaching my son to write properly, sharpen his reasoning skills and history. Japanese, Spanish and fencing lessons are taught by others. Two years ago, my son was enrolled in SEPGY (Stanford Education Program for Gifted Youth.) It was very expensive. After reviewing last years offerings, my husband and I decided to design our own curriculum with college in mind. My son belongs to several social clubs and gets together with his friends who are from public, private and homeschool situations.

Homeschooling works well in our household. I don't think that it is for every family. It takes a lot of effort, research, locating the right materials, time and discipline to be effective. If one family member is at home and has reasonably good computer/internet research skills, they won't need a degree in education to give their child an excellent education. The absence of negative peer pressure, cruel cliques, mindless PC programs devoid of true reasoning and having to purchase the latest fad fashions are a plus in my and my son's book.

28 posted on 10/23/2001 10:49:20 AM PDT by demnomo
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To: Sangamon Kid
Thank you, and credit goes to "Registered" for pushing me off the fence.

God Bless Free Republic.

29 posted on 10/23/2001 11:38:33 AM PDT by MassExodus
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To: ArGee
Where the money goes.... I am not defending the public system and sent my daughters to Catholic schools, but my wife is a special ed teacher in the public system. There are huge amounts spent on special education these days. Some of it little more than high priced day care, but very expensive nonetheless.
30 posted on 10/23/2001 11:45:04 AM PDT by nascarnation
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To: concerned about politics
Homeschool Dad Bump!

More and more research confirms that which should be intuitively obvious.

31 posted on 10/23/2001 11:45:53 AM PDT by TontoKowalski
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To: concerned about politics
I'm looking for a bumper sticker that says something along the lines of

"My home-schooled kid is smarter than your Honor Student!"

How much does it cost to create custom bumper stickers like this?

32 posted on 10/23/2001 11:47:56 AM PDT by ShadowAce
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To: ArGee
Classroom full of 20 students would net "about" $140,000. Pay the teacher $40,000 and you have $100,000 left over.

In the Los Angeles Unified School District, the Christian Broadcast Network did a study about ten years ago, and found that (I think, if memory serves me correctly) there were somewhere in the neighborhood of 100 administrative personnel making over $100,000 per year. This number may be off, but I remember being shocked at the sheer number of administrators raking in huge bucks that had absolutely no student contact.

Bussing students increased costs substantially. The inability of schools to expel dangerous and out of control students has required huge increases in spending for security, building maintenance and alternative classes.

One last side note. We've found that we can usually accomplish well before noon what the schools take all day to do. If you have seven classes, you normally have one home room or study hall. That shoots one hour. Phys ed is normally actually play time for home schoolers, so there's another. It takes at least five minutes to change classes, and usually five minutes to pack and unpack while leaving one class and going to another. When you add that to the fact that in a classroom the instruction must be geared to the lowest level student, you can knock out a whole day of publik eddication in three hours. Of course, your children miss getting to interact with diverse elements of society.

If anybody has any doubts about home schooling, just remember the sign the D.C. Public School System put on the sides of the busses last year. "D. C. Schools is great! Go to class! It a blast!" (yes, this is an exact quote)

33 posted on 10/23/2001 11:55:45 AM PDT by Richard Kimball
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To: Right_Wing_Mole_In_Seattle
"The Canadian average for all public and privately educated students is the 50th percentile."

For the benefit of those of you who went to public school."

On the other hand, If everybody home-schooled the average for all homeschoolers would be the 50th percentile!

34 posted on 10/23/2001 11:56:17 AM PDT by FairWitness
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To: Sangamon Kid
Are you trying to tell me you don't trust these people to educate children?


35 posted on 10/23/2001 12:13:22 PM PDT by Richard Kimball
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To: Richard Kimball
Ebonics... Don't ya know?
36 posted on 10/23/2001 12:28:12 PM PDT by Fishbones
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To: Richard Kimball
LOL. I don't want to know who the local school district blamed for the butcher job on the sign. It is truly, a "sign of the times".
37 posted on 10/23/2001 12:31:40 PM PDT by Sangamon Kid
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To: Aquinasfan; 2Jedismom; lsucat; Born in a Rage; EternalVigilance
Excellent thread, Aquinasfan. Thanks for the ping.
38 posted on 10/23/2001 2:32:09 PM PDT by Artist
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To: FairWitness
On the other hand, If everybody home-schooled the average for all homeschoolers would be the 50th percentile!

This would be an inexcusable drop from the 85th percentile and would therefore justify the state taking over education again! (Can't you just see some politician making this arguement?) :-)

39 posted on 10/23/2001 2:56:11 PM PDT by Right_Wing_Mole_In_Seattle
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To: Right_Wing_Mole_In_Seattle
Oh the joys of statistical analysis! A bureaucrat's dream.
40 posted on 10/23/2001 3:11:15 PM PDT by Sangamon Kid
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To: ~EagleNebula~
More confirmation of what everyone who pays attention has already known for a long time.

BUMP!

41 posted on 10/23/2001 4:38:40 PM PDT by EternalVigilance
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To: Artist
Thanks for the flag, my friend.

BUMP!

42 posted on 10/23/2001 4:40:03 PM PDT by EternalVigilance
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To: ShadowAce
How much does it cost to create custom bumper stickers like this?

Print it out on your computer, laminate it at Staples for $2, and tape it to your bumper or inside your rear window.

I used to drive around with one that said, "I survived public school," decorated with a drawing of barbed wire along the edges.

43 posted on 10/23/2001 6:02:13 PM PDT by Aquinasfan
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To: concerned about politics
I would like to ask everyone to help me. I desperately want to homeschool my children. My husband on the other hand, is being a complete moron about this. He is misconstruing (sp?) my reasoning and fires off at me with things like, "so you want to homeschool so our kids will graduate when they are 12" "so you want to homeschool our kids so they wont rebel against us" "so you want to homeschool our kids so they dont get picked on by bullies" and this one kills me "yes, you could probably give them a better education but the one they will get in public school is good enough". HELP ME!!!!! I need reports with statistics that will show him not only that the public education system is miserably failing but also how well homeschooling really could benifit our children.
44 posted on 10/24/2001 12:36:16 AM PDT by EuroFrog
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