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McVeigh's Ghost - Top Pentagon Officials Say Iraq Involved in OKC Bombing
US News & World Report/ Fox & Friends ^
| October 23, 2001
| Paul Bedard
Posted on 10/23/2001 12:17:44 PM PDT by OKCSubmariner
Some dismiss it as being akin to Elvis sightings, but a few top Defense officials think Oklahoma City bomber Tim McVeigh was an Iraqi agent. The theory stems from a never-before-reported allegation that McVeigh had allegedly collected Iraqi telephone numbers. Why haven't we heard this before about the case of the executed McVeigh? Conspiracy theorists in the Pentagon think it's part of a coverup.
TOPICS: Breaking News; Crime/Corruption; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: iraqandalqaeda; okcbombing
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And just who removed the license plate on the getaway vehicle?
Clinton couldn't finance a war and have a surplus at the same time. And that was his number one priority....he had all the war funds in Al Gore's lock box.
I am so glad to see this information slowly making its' way into the mainstream press. I'd been wondering if it ever would.
I think Terry Nichols got bomb making knowledge from Abu Sayyef (like an Al-Q) in the Philippines.
Here's a link
to a listing of terrorist orgs.
posted on 10/23/2001 1:01:51 PM PDT
I don't remember, but heard somebody say that we rounded up all the Iranian students that were here on student visas during the hostage crisis, and shipped them home. Why don't we do that now with middle eastern countries students? Lord knows, we have enough students from the good old USA that will be out there beating the drums against anything that we do to protect ourselves and our soldiers..... We don't need the extra security risks on our shores let alone teach them enough about bio chem and chem to kill us later.
There is some thought that Egyptair 900 out of New York was a 'training run' per say and the pilot by himself did not have the skill nor training to do the deed of crashing the vessel into the Capitol, White House etc. and just flew it into the ocean.
This begat the teams of terrorists with only the one true believer/ trained pilot like Mohammad Atta who knew they were going to die, and the other 4 hijackers on the team were none the wiser before it was too late to do anything.
Young men going to die don't smile into airport security cameras in Portland-only Atta had the grim face telling he knew what he was about to do.
posted on 10/23/2001 1:02:30 PM PDT
To: Sabertooth; Demosthenes
I do not have a link. I just remember it was discussed a lot on freeRepublic this summer. Chandra worked for the Bureau of Prisons before she was rather abruptly dismissed due to misunderstanding regarding the timing of her internship. She was doing something regarding the McVeigh execution. I do not remember the details, but I would think someone on this forum would remember. It can probably be found in the archives here. I will try and do some research on it tomorrow.
posted on 10/23/2001 1:04:26 PM PDT
To: Terry Mross
Terrorists may or may not claim responsibility. Notice they're not exactly forthcoming about the anthrax.
Also, Slick could control the media by simply spoon-feeding them what he wanted them to know or not know. Remember, the only people who possibly might have known would have been under Slick's control.
In re: the completely politicized Justice dept., US Attorneys, BATF, CIA, etc.,P. So, journalists didn't have a clue, with the exception of Ambrose Pritchard.
posted on 10/23/2001 1:04:31 PM PDT
Is the date for an upcoming issue or is it a typo??
I'm sure that it is the date of the upcoming issue -- which is probably already out. USNews always dates their issues beyond the actual date of distribution.
To: Terry Mross
Good point. But why couldn't Sad-damn have blackmailed Bubba and certain Congress critters? Bubba could have decided out of political expediency to suddenly go after Hussein. Seems to me the only way Sad-damn could guarantee that no-one would come after him is if he made sure. Blackmail would do it.
She was doing something regarding the McVeigh execution. I do not remember the details,
I think she was arranging press briefings in advance of the execution.
[Levy -> McVeigh]Can you provide a link?
. Do I have to put on a tinfoil hat?
posted on 10/23/2001 1:06:47 PM PDT
posted on 10/23/2001 1:06:48 PM PDT
It was the answers to Clinton politic "prays", OKC being Iraq is Clinton politic hell.
It just occurred to me that his recent lamenting about not being president during a foreign attack (which struck many as an unusually morbid sentiment) may have been more Clinton obfuscation. It may yet turn out that he was!
I mean, Clinton has always used 'leaked, off-the-record' lies in addition to his public whoppers to confuse & mislead.
posted on 10/23/2001 1:07:50 PM PDT
I am realizing, I think, that we have been under terrorist attack for some 8 years now. And they have made some big scores:
WTC (1st time), OKC, TWA-800, possibly Egyptair....
and now, under a real administration with real leadership, it has happened again.
Methinks dubya is going to pronounce the truth to the American people....
and then get on with the business of WW111.
Actually, from where I sit, this goes back to the Gulf War
It was about controlling the world's suplly of oil then,
and it's about controlling the world's supply of oil now.
Operation Desert Storm never ended, what we've seem since have been acts of war, nothing less.
Why have we been lied to? Why has this been kept from us?
Might it have been the unfortunate surprise upset victory by Bill Clinton in 1992 and his re-election in 1996. Could it be that the Bush family has wanted to control the world's oil, was about to do just that (in '92) but has had to wait until now??????
I'm weirding myself out?????
To: twigs; Sabertooth; Demosthenes; dogbyte12
I think dogbyte12 may have the link about Chandra working on the McVeigh case. It was discussed at length last summer.
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Interesting thread here....
posted on 10/23/2001 1:11:13 PM PDT
To: OKCSubmariner; rdavis84; Judge Parker; thinden; golitely; BlueDogDemo
FWIW, another case like those I have mentioned in the past in which Wolfowitz seemingly has spoken "off the script." I don't trust him, but note that he often veers from the official line, meaning he's either used often to float balloons or he's not the ultimate insider.
BDD: Something to keep in mind -- if Wolfowitz is asked the right questions in the right forum by the right person, some interesting answers might occasionally result.
posted on 10/23/2001 1:13:50 PM PDT
That's why I went to the sourced page... Nebulous, but intriguing.
Has anyone seen this discussed on any other shows? I'm not familiar with Fox and Friends. What station carries this show? Seems to me it should be on some other news shows by now....well, then again, we do get the news earlier here on FR.
posted on 10/23/2001 1:14:42 PM PDT
...heard somebody say that we rounded up all the Iranian students that were here on student visas during the hostage crisis, and shipped them home
I read that we could only find a very small percentage of them. We need to beef up the INS and insist that they do their job!
To: OKCSubmariner; CheneyChick; vikingchick; WIMom; one_particular_harbour; kmiller1k...
"Vincent Cannistraro, former head of the CIA's ME counter terror operations, told the FBI in April 1995 that the OKC bombing was a Sadam Hussein operation where Sadam Hussein had paid seven Pakistanis to assist in the operation. Canistraro's source was the head of Saudi intelligence and the FBI interview with Cannistraro is described in McVeigh defense attorney Stephen Jones' book and David Hoffman's book. Three Pakistani men were arrested in OKC and Dallas in connection to the OKC bombing and then released. One of them Asad Sidiqy was a suspect in the first WTC bombing backed by Sadam Hussein in 1993. The FBI and Reno covered up the FBI 302 interview reports and arrests of these three Pakistanis."
Suspected terrorist arrested with bio-suit in Frankfurt
This man is identified in the article as being a Turk.
However, I just heard it reported by Michael Medved
that he is actually of Pakistani origin.
Kenyan Embassy bombers
had false Pakistani Papers
Pakistani linked to anthrax mailbox
Pakistani teen predicts
World Trade Center collapse in Brooklyn.
I don't believe that the current Pakistani government is behind this. But clearly there is a well developed organization within Pakistan (where we know there is a strong al-Qaeda presence) that is very involved with the ongoing terrorist attacks on America.
All of this takes place after Pakistan's detonation of atomic bombs in 1997. You can bet that both bin Laden and Hussein want to get their hands on Pakistan's nuclear arsenal (as many as 40 weapons), the "Islamic Bombs." Methinks that these Pakistan links were will known to President Bush and Co. when we made it our first priority to bring Pakistan into the coalition after the attack of 9/11. The military government there is very shakey.
Now think about this
Remember the weird items showing up at pro- bin Laden demonstrations in Pakistan? The giant pink inflatable crayon? The poster of bin Laden with Bert from Sesame Street?
I wish I had the links (does anyone have them?)
They seemed kinda comical at the time, although there was some speculation that the Bert poster could be some sort of al Qaeda signal to sleeper terrorists. All of this new trail leading back to Pakistan has me rethinking.
I'm about half finished with my full suit of tin foil body armor, just like the kid in a new Halloween commercial. I am confident that we will see many more minor and major clues that link Saddam and Iraq to OKC and WTC. What is curious and interesting was Ritter, former UN weapons inspector in Iraq, on "History Center" on the History Channel last night. The man seems determined to debunk and de-link any possible evidence that Iraq had something to do with 9/11 WTC. I have long been puzzled by the guy's public statements and have wondered what his motivations are. Anyone have more information on Ritter and his, in my opinion, very strange attitudes regarding Saddam and Iraq?
"The spirit of the times may alter, will alter. Our rulers will become corrupt, our people careless. A single zealot may become persecutor, and better men be his victims. It can never be too often repeated, that the time for the fixing every essential right, on a legal basis, is when our rulers are honest, and ourselves united. From the conclusion of this war (of the Revolution) we shall be going down hill. It will not then be necessary to resort to every moment to the people for support. They will be forgotten, therefore, and their rights disregarded. They will forget themselves, but in the sole faculty of making money, and they will never think of uniting to effect a due respect for their rights. The shackles therefore, which will not be knocked off at the conclusion of the war, will remain on us long, will be made heavier and heavier, til our rights shall revive or expire in a convulsion."
posted on 10/23/2001 1:18:40 PM PDT
by CJ Wolf
The guys in the brown truck, were they the guys apprehended in the airport in Texas, after the APB?
These guys were then released as a result word from above?
They were of Middle eastern decent.
The plot thickens!
This kind of speculation is why I didn't want him dead, and would have prefered a statement in public for his motives.
We all need to know exactly what occurred there and what involvement the Clinton administration and undercover agents had, so we can resolve this.
This will not just be allowed to be swept under the carpet!
Evidence of Iraqi involvement would have meant that x42 would have had to take action and be a commander, which is something he is not. And it would have meant he would have had to curtial his obsession with Hollywood, sluts and money grubbing...all things he cannot live without.
Remember that several of the Middle-Eastern types identified from photos and sketches by witnesses in OKC were/are agents/double agents/triple agents "handled" by the FBI. Quite embarrassing to "the foremost law-enforcement agency in the world" don't ya think?
Er, and many "former" Republican Guard members were granted visas and asylum here during the presidency of Bush the Elder, because they really never did like that mean ol' Saddam . . .cough, cough.
posted on 10/23/2001 1:21:09 PM PDT
I spoke directly today by phone with Paul Bedard and he gave me permission to write that the top official at the Pentagon who is making the allegations about McVeigh connections to Iraq is the Assistant Secretary of Defense, Mr. Wolfowitz, the number two man at the Pentagon under the Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld.
Thanks for our work.
Finally, maybe we will bring Justice to the all the terrorists responsible for the OKC bombing.
posted on 10/23/2001 1:21:43 PM PDT
What was the reasoning behind the decision to allow Iraqi military personnel entry into the U.S. What was the purpose or benefit to our national interest to allow these folks entry?
posted on 10/23/2001 1:22:02 PM PDT
"Akal, a company politically connected to the democrats via one attorney and Clinton fundraiser named Earl Potter, and having never been required to answer for its failings in OKC, is still in the private security services business and raking in some of the biggest security services contracts that the US dept. of Justice has to offer - to the point that duties previously performed by the US Marshall Service are privatized and in Akal's hands. "
From: Firm Ran Security at OK Bomb Site - Part 6
To: Dr. Frank
All in all, if there is any truth to the charge it would have been a very rational thing for Clinton to do.
Yes, but that analysis doesn't explain why the FBI would quietly and aggressively go along with it. IMO, FBI had it's own ax to grind or there would have been leaks by the dozens from the inside -- we KNOW a lot of FBI insiders hated Klintoon's guts.
posted on 10/23/2001 1:25:45 PM PDT
A large number of the students were never located and very few of them were shipped home due to them claiming political asylum, marrying USCitizens changing status etc. It was a joke.
I wonder what a Freedom of Information Act Request(FOIA) for details of the "Iranian Project" would bring.
Thanks for the links and your post #123. This is getting curiouser and curiouser.
Hussaini served in Sadam Hussein's Republican Guard prior to the Gulf War and was brought to the US by Clinton along with around 4000 Iraqis after the gulf War
If this is true, Clinton would be very motivated to squash any discussion of this Arab, as the American sheeple would point to Clinton's poor judgement in allowing these guys in. Thus, Reno would be instructed to keep everything quiet. Then, we rush forward to indict McVeigh and toast him at the first opportunity so the truth would never leak out.
In light of this, I wonder why McVeigh kept his trap shut. Must have been some type of payoff, or pressure on someone.
Interesting stuff about the sleeper cells and the Bert picture.
Where is Michael Rivero, he should have been all over this by now.
posted on 10/23/2001 1:31:31 PM PDT
If I choose to believe this, will I need to wear the dreaded "tin foil helmet"?
If you aren't already wearing one you haven't been paying attention. Only the willfully blind eschew today's essential haberdashery.
One doesn't have to subscirbe to every conspiracy theory which fuels the imagination of the the most paranoid among us to recognize that criminal conspiracies involving agents of our government have and do exist.
posted on 10/23/2001 1:31:45 PM PDT
To: Sabertooth; Demosthenes; afraidfortherepublic
afraidfortherepublic is correct. Chandra was involved in making arrangements for journalists covering the execution of Timothy McVeigh. Look at what has been written further in this thread and you will encounter people who know far more than I do. I did find three links that mention the relationship, but really do not go into much detail. IF what we are hearing and McVeigh, Iraq and terrorism is true (and I am not sure that it is), then we should not forget Chandra.
posted on 10/23/2001 1:31:57 PM PDT
It's certainly believable, but who the heck are you, and how do you know Bedard (sp?) and the rest of these people?
posted on 10/23/2001 1:34:36 PM PDT
Which phone numbers did he have? Probably the phone numbers of Republican Guard operatives in Oklahoma City and Kansas City, as well as others in Iraq.
"Chandra Levy was reportedly working on the McVeigh execution."
I'm a gourmet (or Feinschmecker - one of Mencken's favorite words) of conspiracy theories. And this is la creme de la creme. Delicious. Have to go and check out the dates.
Re#62 I never bought the exploding centerline tank theory either.If it was explained away so easily on this premise,why hasnt this happened before?Or afterwards?I honestly believe there is more to the 800 story.And I dont where a tin foil helmet!
To: Victoria Delsoul
" This is getting curiouser and curiouser."
WAY too many sleeper agents for my comfort zone.
Think it's time the FBI paid a little visit to the Springfield Quick-E-Mart
and had a chat with Apu ?
To: Richard Axtell
...Anyone have more information on Ritter
When did Scott Ritter turn into one that defends Iraqi on these charges? I remember him back in 97 going over to Iraq to do inspections for chemical weapons and being turned away. He was pretty angry at it and was eventually pulled off the investigation, I would imagine as to not ruffle Saddam's feathers.
And then Joe Biden said that Scott was making decisions above his pay grade. I could never understand that. This
PBS show might have some info on Ritter and UNSCOM.
posted on 10/23/2001 1:36:57 PM PDT
I didn't mean to be misleading. I just wasn't sure of the details. It seems that Chandra was involved in making arrangements for journalists covering the execution of Timothy McVeigh.
posted on 10/23/2001 1:37:00 PM PDT
Busy day here. Thanks for the bump!
Apu is Indian, NOT Arab or Muslim.
Chief Wiggum already cleared him of any wrong-doing.
(hmmmm... maybe Wiggum is in on it?)
The dude's a Hindoo. Ask him what he thinks of the Muslim.
posted on 10/23/2001 1:40:33 PM PDT
So, does this mean that the alleged explosives inside the Murrah building attached to the main load-bearing support structures were placed by Iraqi sappers, or the Federal government?
Was there a race by BATF and Iraq to blow up the Murrah building?
If it's both, does that mean that Saddam Hussein is really the President of the United States?
I'm confused. Send more tinfoil!
Thank you. Been repeating this one for years. For the record, the truck bomb reached the building with a force of 25 psi. Plenty to blow the windows out for sure. What do you suppose took all those pillars down and blew 4000psi concrete off the I beams inside, hmmmm??? Quick, bulldoze the whole site...
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