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McVeigh's Ghost - Top Pentagon Officials Say Iraq Involved in OKC Bombing
US News & World Report/ Fox & Friends ^ | October 23, 2001 | Paul Bedard

Posted on 10/23/2001 12:17:44 PM PDT by OKCSubmariner

Some dismiss it as being akin to Elvis sightings, but a few top Defense officials think Oklahoma City bomber Tim McVeigh was an Iraqi agent. The theory stems from a never-before-reported allegation that McVeigh had allegedly collected Iraqi telephone numbers. Why haven't we heard this before about the case of the executed McVeigh? Conspiracy theorists in the Pentagon think it's part of a coverup.


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The above news item can be found at :

http://www.usnews.com/usnews/issue/011029/whispers/29whisplead.htm

The news item is an excerpt from the US News & World Report column "Washington Whispers" dated 10/29/01 written by the editor PAUL BEDARD. The news excerpt is under the paragraph heading "McVeigh's ghost" in the column whose title is "Pentagon slows Clinton's bid for women in combat".

I spoke directly today by phone with Paul Bedard and he gave me permission to write that the top official at the Pentagon who is making the allegations about McVeigh connections to Iraq is the Assistant Secretary of Defense, Mr. Wolfowitz, the number two man at the Pentagon under the Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld.

Mr. Bedard also broke his information today at 6:20 am EST on the show "Fox and Friends".

Note that the news item refers to a coverup of the Iraqi connection to McVeigh and the OKC bombing suspected by Pentagon officials. The coverup referred to is a coverup by the FBI, DOJ, and Reno and Freeh.

Bedard's information is consistent with evidence uncovered that had McVeigh meeting with an Iraqi recruiter in Las Vegas a few months before the OKC bombing along with a suspected Hamas cell member from OKC. McVeigh was seen with the employee of the Hamas cell member, an Iraqi, Al Hussain Hussaini in OKC before and on the morning of the OKC bombing. Hussaini was seen speeding away in front of the Murrah building with another ME man in a late model brown Chevy truck, the subject of an FBI all points bulletin.

Hussaini served in Sadam Hussein's Republican Guard prior to the Gulf War and was brought to the US by Clinton along with around 4000 Iraqis after the gulf War. Some were relocated in OKC at two churches in OKC. This information was provided by me to KFORTV (Brad Edwards) in OKC in May 1995 when they were investigating Hussaini's role.

Former legal counsel for the impeachment proceedings and prominent DOJ attorney, David Schippers has said several times on Alex Jones and other radio broadcasts that Hussaini was a baggage handler at Boston's Logan airport at the time of the WTC attacks on 9/11/2001. Schippers expressed concern that the FBI should look into whether or not Hussaini could have helped breach security at the airport to help the hijacker pilots get on board or to plant box cutter knives.

Also it is believed Terry Nichols met with Bin Laden operatives of the Abu Sayef terror organization in the Phillipines months before the OKC bombing. Bin Laden and Sadam Hussein have worked closely with each other on terror projects for years. Wolfowitz and Admiral Woolsey (former CIA and FBI director) think Sadam Hussain and Bin Laden also worked together on the Pentagon and WTC attacks on 9/11/2001.

Vincent Cannistraro, former head of the CIA's ME counter terror operations, told the FBI in April 1995 that the OKC bombing was a Sadam Hussein operation where Sadam Hussein had paid seven Pakistanis to assist in the operation. Canistraro's source was the head of Saudi intelligence and the FBI interview with Cannistraro is described in McVeigh defense attorney Stephen Jones' book and David Hoffman's book. Three Pakistani men were arrested in OKC and Dallas in connection to the OKC bombing and then released. One of them Asad Sidiqy was a suspect in the first WTC bombing backed by Sadam Hussein in 1993. The FBI and Reno covered up the FBI 302 interview reports and arrests of these three Pakistanis.

1 posted on 10/23/2001 12:17:44 PM PDT by OKCSubmariner
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To: Michael Rivero
boom...
2 posted on 10/23/2001 12:20:49 PM PDT by Michael Barnes
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To: OKCSubmariner
OK! When are we going in?
3 posted on 10/23/2001 12:21:04 PM PDT by Curly007
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To: OKCSubmariner
More bizzare every day.
4 posted on 10/23/2001 12:21:25 PM PDT by My Favorite Headache
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To: BlueDogDemo; Wallaby; Uncle Bill; golitely; rwz; Betty Jo; Squantos; Nancie Drew; aristeides...
BUMP
5 posted on 10/23/2001 12:21:55 PM PDT by OKCSubmariner
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To: OKCSubmariner
I'll bite!

Whose phone numbers did McViegh have??

6 posted on 10/23/2001 12:22:10 PM PDT by Dog
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To: OKCSubmariner
U.S. News is a highly credible source, however this allegation is breathtaking (not that most people ever thought of McVeigh as anything but a patsy for something bigger than himself, anyway).
7 posted on 10/23/2001 12:22:29 PM PDT by Southack
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To: OKCSubmariner
Not surprised! Surprised it finally came out!
8 posted on 10/23/2001 12:23:08 PM PDT by TXBubba
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To: OKCSubmariner
Conspiracy theorists in the Pentagon think it's part of a coverup.

But they're CONSPIRACY THEORISTS, right? Therefore we should just laugh and ridicule them!! It doesn't matter that they work in the F---KING PENTAGON, for the love of pete, even the PENTAGON can have conspiracy theorists too! Oh, no, I think we should really just pinch our noses and swallow whatever story Reno's JD put out, and ignore the obvious idiocy of the Reno FBI. They would never lie to us...
9 posted on 10/23/2001 12:23:26 PM PDT by Demosthenes
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To: My Favorite Headache
I lived on OKC on that fateful day. I remember the OKC Police stating to be on the lookout for a white male accompanied by a middle-eastern man. I can remember an APB going oit on the scanner. Several people saw them together right before the bombing.
10 posted on 10/23/2001 12:23:53 PM PDT by jbstrick
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To: OKCSubmariner
Evidence of Iraqi involvement would have meant that x42 would have had to take action and be a commander, which is something he is not. And it would have meant he would have had to curtial his obsession with Hollywood, sluts and money grubbing...all things he cannot live without.
11 posted on 10/23/2001 12:24:04 PM PDT by Rebelbase
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To: Southack
This IS breathtaking. Chandra Levy was reportedly working on the McVeigh execution. This just adds another curious element.
12 posted on 10/23/2001 12:24:58 PM PDT by twigs
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To: Southack
I have to ask this ....

DONT FLAME ME!

What purpose would the Clinton Justice Dept have in not making this connection back then...

I repeat dont flame me ......just asking..

13 posted on 10/23/2001 12:25:01 PM PDT by Dog
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To: OKCSubmariner
"Also it is believed Terry Nichols met with Bin Laden operatives of the Abu Sayef terror organization in the Phillipines months before the OKC bombing. Bin Laden and Sadam Hussein have worked closely with each other on terror projects for years."

This is no time to suggest torture.

This is the time to send Terry Nichols to Turkey for a little chat.

15 posted on 10/23/2001 12:25:55 PM PDT by Sabertooth
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To: My Favorite Headache
Agreed.

But in light of the last 8 years, the events of Sept 11 and the continious stream of info about how many suspected terrorist, INS watch listees, et al have wandered into this country with the full blessing of our government.

This, somehow does not suprise me.

16 posted on 10/23/2001 12:25:58 PM PDT by The Magical Mischief Tour
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To: twigs
Are you serious?
17 posted on 10/23/2001 12:26:01 PM PDT by Demosthenes
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To: OKCSubmariner
I believe this was leaked to pressure the doves in the administration to change their minds.
18 posted on 10/23/2001 12:26:18 PM PDT by Senator Pardek
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To: OKCSubmariner
Pentagon Report: Destruction in OKC caused by 5 separate bombs; Bombings had Middle Eastern signature

From the archives

19 posted on 10/23/2001 12:26:34 PM PDT by honway
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To: OKCSubmariner
The coverup referred to is a coverup by the FBI, DOJ, and Reno and Freeh.

The FBI and Reno covered up the FBI 302 interview reports and arrests of these three Pakistanis.

The most important unanswered question is WHY

20 posted on 10/23/2001 12:27:27 PM PDT by Pontiac
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To: OKCSubmariner
"Hussaini served in Sadam Hussein's Republican Guard prior to the Gulf War and was brought to the US by Clinton along with around 4000 Iraqis after the gulf War"

We imported the enemy to our own country? This is outrageous!

Pogo: "We have seen the enemy and he is us". Never more true than after reading this post today.

21 posted on 10/23/2001 12:27:30 PM PDT by Rebelbase
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To: Dog
"What purpose would the Clinton Justice Dept have in not making this connection back then...?"

Then he couldn't blame talk radio after the '94 election drubbing.

It's also very distracting to have to deal with terrorists while receiving "head-ups" from interns.

22 posted on 10/23/2001 12:28:00 PM PDT by Sabertooth
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To: OKCSubmariner
"Washington Whispers" dated 10/29/01 written by the editor PAUL BEDARD.

Is the date for an upcoming issue or is it a typo?? Just curious...

23 posted on 10/23/2001 12:28:30 PM PDT by is_is
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To: OKCSubmariner; CheneyChick; vikingchick; WIMom; one_particular_harbour; kmiller1k...
ping
24 posted on 10/23/2001 12:29:24 PM PDT by Sabertooth
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To: Dog
Perhaps by blaming everything on the American right, and ignoring the escalating attacks on us by the Muslims, he could bring about the big war that would keep him in power and make him king. He could crack down on his internal enemies(anyone with a brain) and drag out the conflict until he had solidified his position permanently. Then just nuke the mid east and live happily ever after.
25 posted on 10/23/2001 12:30:41 PM PDT by Garrisson Lee
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To: Dog
It's a fair question.

The answer seems to be twofold. (1) Pointing out Iraq's involvement would have required him to take leadership and perhaps a military response (such as we are seeing from Bush) which is more than just dropping bombs on aspirin factories. Clinton never displayed any talent or skill at such things.

(2) Blaming it on domestic terrorists, of course, gave him a great political opportunity to demonize things like "right-wing talk radio" and sufficient momentum to counter and neutralize what must have seemed to him a threatening political force at the time which had arisen in opposition to his efforts at socialism and citizen disarmament.

All in all, if there is any truth to the charge it would have been a very rational thing for Clinton to do. Honorable no, but rational yes.

26 posted on 10/23/2001 12:30:48 PM PDT by Dr. Frank fan
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To: OKCSubmariner
If true, then the Clinton Administration hid this evidence in order to target their real enemy -- American conservatives.

If the Bush people have anything on the ball, they'll be digging into Middle Eastern connections with OKC and TWA-800 just as hard as they can.

27 posted on 10/23/2001 12:30:50 PM PDT by Interesting Times
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To: OKCSubmariner
Wolfowitzstein claiming this aye? The one who mysteriously came into the defense office just after the attacks. You think maybe he's trying to gain support for going after right wingers? Watch your back Freepers.
28 posted on 10/23/2001 12:31:28 PM PDT by readyourhistory
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To: twigs
" Chandra Levy was reportedly working on the McVeigh execution."

Can you provide a link?

29 posted on 10/23/2001 12:31:34 PM PDT by Sabertooth
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To: Southack
Its not breathtaking if, like me, you suspected this all along. Now maybe my local talk show host (Pat Barry in Cincinnati) won't cut me off and call me a conspiracy nut.
30 posted on 10/23/2001 12:32:39 PM PDT by smolensk
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To: Dog
"What purpose would the Clinton Justice Dept have in not making this connection back then..."

Domestic purposes.

The BATF assault on the Branch Davidian compound was supposed to be a huge anti-gun commercial such that Clinton was going to be able to ban guns in America just as the English were banning guns in the UK. That raid went wrong, but there was a large motivational factor to pin the OKC bombing (on that anniversary the following year) on right-wing zealots rather than on foreign agents.

By pinning OKC on right wing groups, more support could be gained for gun-grabbing (hint: the anti-terrorism legislation was ALREADY drafted and submitted to Congress when the Murrah building fell).

On the other hand, blaming the OKC on foreign agents would have provided ammunition to pro-gun groups and furthered gun ownership (note: that very thing has now happened after WTC on 9/11).

So Clinton and his anti-gun cronies had a very large motivational factor going for them to point the finger at domestic, right-wing zealots rather than on foreign agents.

31 posted on 10/23/2001 12:32:57 PM PDT by Southack
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To: Rebelbase
I am almost positive that George Bush brought them here after the gulf war. At least that is what has been reported here at FR.
32 posted on 10/23/2001 12:32:59 PM PDT by winodog
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To: Dog
Whose phone numbers did McViegh have??

And who were the “top Defense officials”? Are those the guys who say that Elvis and JFK are still living in a secret rest home on the outskirts of DC? Inquiring minds want to know.

33 posted on 10/23/2001 12:33:31 PM PDT by Fred25
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To: readyourhistory
You signed on today to tell us that?

Disruptor!

34 posted on 10/23/2001 12:34:11 PM PDT by Dog
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To: is_is
10/29/2001 is the correct date given at the web site link I gave that you can check.

I believe that the date may reflect the date on the latest issue of the US News & World Report. I am not sure if the issue is at news stands yet but in the past I have seen magazines come out with a date later than when I have bought them.

35 posted on 10/23/2001 12:34:30 PM PDT by OKCSubmariner
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To: OKCSubmariner
btt
36 posted on 10/23/2001 12:35:23 PM PDT by sendtoscott
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To: Dog
in regards to post 13.... Could it BE that Bubba had a SLUSH FUND that could be TIED DIRECTLY TO OBL IF NOT SADDAM???
37 posted on 10/23/2001 12:35:50 PM PDT by Roger_W_Isom
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To: OKCSubmariner
Question:

If I choose to believe this, will I need to wear the dreaded "tin foil helmet"?

Signed:

Gulf War vet (served in CONUS)

38 posted on 10/23/2001 12:36:01 PM PDT by austinite
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To: OKCSubmariner
King of Ping bump!!
39 posted on 10/23/2001 12:37:04 PM PDT by umbra
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To: Dog
It has been said that Clinton was relieved to find evidence of a right wing connection with Mcveigh because he was under heavy fire from the right and this gave him the ammunition to fire back and discredit his accusers.

No one ever accused Clinton of being slow on the uptake. He immediately gave the orders to his minions to kill any word of a foreign involvement. A homegrown rightwing terrorist was a made to order target for the Clintons. It was not only less threatening to the public, but it made all the Clinton scandals seem irrelevant.

40 posted on 10/23/2001 12:37:13 PM PDT by Eva
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To: OKCSubmariner
Big bump and about time. Looks like that Reynolds wrap investment may be paying off.
41 posted on 10/23/2001 12:37:16 PM PDT by 6ppc
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To: OKCSubmariner
This would be a good time to try to get the OKC security films released -- the ones that David Schippers says hold images of McVey accompanied by a man who appeared to be from the Middle East...
42 posted on 10/23/2001 12:37:20 PM PDT by Interesting Times
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To: OKCSubmariner
A building is bombed, almost 200 Americans die

Our government LIES to us about it, executes a "lone nut"

covers up the lie, and the fact that OUR government relocated 4,000 of our enemies into OUR country???

This is TREASON

And we're supposed to TRUST Washington???

43 posted on 10/23/2001 12:38:06 PM PDT by WhiteGuy
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To: swampfx
Witnesses, Israelis, and Congressional Officials Say Middle Eastern Men Participated in OKC Bombing?
44 posted on 10/23/2001 12:38:16 PM PDT by honway
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To: Dog
Given the nature look for the numbers to be PAY PHONES near Iraqi intelligence HQ around Baghdad.....
45 posted on 10/23/2001 12:39:04 PM PDT by Roger_W_Isom
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To: OKCSubmariner; FallGuy; Snow Bunny
How did I know you would bring the truth out someday? Thank you.
46 posted on 10/23/2001 12:39:13 PM PDT by B4Ranch
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To: OKCSubmariner
If this is true...We just might see Slick in handcuffs yet
47 posted on 10/23/2001 12:39:29 PM PDT by MJY1288
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To: OKCSubmariner
Conspiracy theorists in the Pentagon...

Donald Rumsfeld is gonna love this story.

48 posted on 10/23/2001 12:39:42 PM PDT by Oldeconomybuyer
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To: OKCSubmariner
Congratulations to the FBI. This is a good example of economies of scale - why shouldn't it work more than just one time ?
49 posted on 10/23/2001 12:39:46 PM PDT by Milosevic2
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To: Pontiac
WHY? If no coverup they could not blaim the VRWC.
50 posted on 10/23/2001 12:39:48 PM PDT by W. W. SMITH
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