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McVeigh's Ghost - Top Pentagon Officials Say Iraq Involved in OKC Bombing
US News & World Report/ Fox & Friends ^ | October 23, 2001 | Paul Bedard

Posted on 10/23/2001 12:17:44 PM PDT by OKCSubmariner

Some dismiss it as being akin to Elvis sightings, but a few top Defense officials think Oklahoma City bomber Tim McVeigh was an Iraqi agent. The theory stems from a never-before-reported allegation that McVeigh had allegedly collected Iraqi telephone numbers. Why haven't we heard this before about the case of the executed McVeigh? Conspiracy theorists in the Pentagon think it's part of a coverup.


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To: OKCSubmariner
I believe;

Clinton knew that Flight 800 was taken out by a missle.
McVeigh and Nichols were NOT acting alone but backed by Muslim terrorists.
That maybe there are more people dying of Anthrax in America than we are being allowed to know.

Label me "Wacko".

51 posted on 10/23/2001 12:39:57 PM PDT by MassExodus
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To: winodog; Rebelbase
Bush Senior initiated (it was his plan) bringing the Iraqis here after the Gulf War. But Clinton gave the finally approval when the original Bush decision was held up by protests from some US Senators and POW/MIA organizations and family members. I have an original story on this from the Salt Lake Tribune in May 1995 that I passed on the KFORTV during their investigation of the Irqai, Hussaini and his membership in the Iraqi Republican Guard and his being brought to OKC.
52 posted on 10/23/2001 12:39:57 PM PDT by OKCSubmariner
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To: Eva
The real question is why did the republicans go along with it. If this is true and I don't doubt it.
53 posted on 10/23/2001 12:40:20 PM PDT by Terry Mross
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To: austinite
In a word.....YES

But ask yourself... Am I Prepared?

Once you put on your FHG (Foil Head Gear)

There's no taking it back off.....

54 posted on 10/23/2001 12:40:31 PM PDT by WhiteGuy
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To: Interesting Times
Govt credibility is wrapped up in McVeigh acting basically alone. Bin Laden could release video of himself french kissing McVeigh and the govt would not change its story or release any new evidence at this point.

Whether this particular allegation is true is a separate question. (And one I don't claim to be able to answer).
55 posted on 10/23/2001 12:40:32 PM PDT by sendtoscott
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To: TXBubba
WOLFOWITZ Obviously has NOT A FEW SCORES to settle with Janet Waco and I PRAY he settles them before the comin' election s in FL!!!!
56 posted on 10/23/2001 12:41:07 PM PDT by Roger_W_Isom
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To: OKCSubmariner
BUMP
57 posted on 10/23/2001 12:41:22 PM PDT by Aurelius
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To: OKCSubmariner
I remember hearing much of this in a news story - 60 Min. or some show like that - in which a female reporter from Oklahoma said she had uncovered information of connections btween McVeigh to Iraq and the Phillipines, but when she tried to present it to the FBI, they ignored it. One of the things I remember is that they thought the Iraqi that McVeigh had befriended portrayed himself as being anti-Hussein, and angry at the U.S. Govt for leaving the Kurds hanging after the war, while he was, in fact, an Iraqi secret service agent. I've never seen any follow-up on that story, which seems odd in itself.
58 posted on 10/23/2001 12:41:27 PM PDT by PsyOp
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To: austinite
David Schippers has evidence to just this effect as reported here in the last month. Has been trying to present it to John Ashcroft who has not been interested in meeting with him.
59 posted on 10/23/2001 12:41:57 PM PDT by spyone
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To: Terry Mross
There is NO difference between the republicans and democrats
60 posted on 10/23/2001 12:42:03 PM PDT by WhiteGuy
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To: MJY1288
We just might see Slick in handcuffs yet

Getta ROPE!

61 posted on 10/23/2001 12:42:30 PM PDT by MamaTexan
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To: Dr. Frank
This is pretty far-out stuff, but it is not impossible. The 1993 WTC bombing had all kinds of funky stuff going on where the FBI knew a bombing was going to happen but failed to stop it. So it would, at least, be hard to prove something along similar lines did not happen in OKC. Also there were reports of neo-Facist groups cheering the 9/11 attacks. I don't know if we will ever know what did happen, but it isn't looney to suspect McVeigh did not do it by himself. Bin Laden-trained terrorists had the embassy bombings under their belt, and they sure seem to know the weaknesses of buildings. Careful planning and expertise are much more likely to be successful than a lone wacko with a truckload of ANFO.

One thing I am pretty sure about is that 747s do not blow themselves up on their own.

62 posted on 10/23/2001 12:42:49 PM PDT by eno_
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To: Dog
Nobody should flame you: you've asked THE germane question. IMO, one possible reason is that they may have had some initial suspicion, but if an Iraqi connection were investigated, it might ultimately be uncovered. At that point you've either got to cover it up (which means curtains if you're caught) or acknowledge it, in which case, President Clinton had no choice but to refight Desert Storm immediately. My read of the Clinton administration was that they ultimately made their tough decisions based on the political outcome. Apparently, it was safer to go with what they "knew" for sure (i.e., Timothy McVeigh and the crazy right wing militias inflamed by the "hate" speech of Newt, Rush and the VRWC). No doubt, OKC was a turning point for Clinton.
63 posted on 10/23/2001 12:43:36 PM PDT by soxfan
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To: american arnie james
BETTER STILL... SPLIT IT into the THREE OTTOMAN EMPIRE PROVINCES THEY ORIGINALLY WERE!!! Then split then FURTHER!!! DESTROY THIS SOCALLED FICITOUS STATE!!!!
64 posted on 10/23/2001 12:43:41 PM PDT by Roger_W_Isom
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To: readyourhistory
Disruptor ahoy!

readyourhistory member since October 21st, 2001

65 posted on 10/23/2001 12:43:57 PM PDT by Xenalyte
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To: PsyOp
Mayber Schippers got US News to listen to him. Maybe he turned them onto it and finally someone in the Pentagon confirmed it. Maybe Schippers finally "blew the lid off", as he said he was about to do.
66 posted on 10/23/2001 12:44:08 PM PDT by Terry Mross
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To: Dog
Why a cover-up?

The OKC bombing was seen initially as a heart-stopping moment to the American people - terrorists in middle America. Remember?

But just as suddenly, we will were all relieved to know that it was a captured, RIGHT-WING male who didn't like the government, and we marvelled at the feel-good news of the nation so seemingly worry-free under Clinton.

It also provided carte blanche to ridicule, humiliate and destroy any anti-government agitators. As a result, the only terrorist threats the FBI/CIA acknowledged and pursued were home-grown, white-skinned ones.

And for years, the media was complicit, warning us of the dangers of extremists on the right who opposed Clinton. Patriotism was a dirty word.

The world of 'fake' ruled our country - Hollywood, celebrities, sports. Bread and circuses.

The media et. al. rallied 'round the president to defend him to his last moments of office, and buried story after story of government corruption in the interim.

Even the story of his public fall from grace was spun by the left (and therefore the media) as a right-wing conspiracy, garnering him sympathy and public poll support even in his shameful acts. Ken Starr was demonized.

The TWA-800 missile attack, similarly, at a critical moment in the presidency (re-election of 1996, just prior to the Olympic games of Atlanta), was re-packaged as an accident. Don't worry, be happy! And you would be lying if you didn't feel relieved when you learned that it was just an 'accident'.

Now we know the truth.

In summary, with all due respect, we all need to

WAKE UP


67 posted on 10/23/2001 12:44:38 PM PDT by Stallone
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To: readyourhistory
Hey newbie, try knowing something about anything before you post crap, OK?
68 posted on 10/23/2001 12:44:47 PM PDT by babble-on
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To: MassExodus
George Snufflalufagous admitted on 'This Week with Sam and Cokie' that he went into the Crisis conference room behind the Oval Office after the TWA Flight 800 'Bombing'-Whoops!!
69 posted on 10/23/2001 12:45:42 PM PDT by umbra
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To: OKCSubmariner; Rebelbase
"Hussaini served in Sadam Hussein's Republican Guard prior to the Gulf War and was brought to the US by Clinton along with around 4000 Iraqis after the gulf War"

We imported the enemy to our own country? This is outrageous!"

That's needs a reference. I've read that the Iraqis were imported by Bush Sr. from their Republican Guard. Only one version is going to be correct, unless it was set up by Bush and completed by Slick.

70 posted on 10/23/2001 12:45:48 PM PDT by rdavis84
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To: Southack
And, if this is actually true; I guess it puts a damper on all of the apologists for Arab terrorism who always point to McVeigh as proof that not all terrorists are Arab.
71 posted on 10/23/2001 12:46:23 PM PDT by LibertarianLiz
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To: WhiteGuy
Sadly, I know that to be the case 98% of the time.
72 posted on 10/23/2001 12:46:30 PM PDT by Terry Mross
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To: WhiteGuy
There's no taking it back off.....

You mean I have to sleep with the "foil" on? Then again, that might be THE MOST important time to wear it...

73 posted on 10/23/2001 12:46:35 PM PDT by austinite
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To: Dog
Same reason Iraq had blame in all on U.S. domestic, Iraq gets no heat,Clinton blames in on everyone to the right of him.

I mean look at it in reverse look how much politic capital OKC made for Clinton in the blame leads to Iraq what gain is there for Clinton he tack a hit for intelligences failer and then has to take a risk and do somthing about Iraq.

The OKC bombing being blamed on McVeigh was the prototype of Clinton's "VRWC" copout. It was the answers to Clinton politic "prays", OKC being Iraq is Clinton politic hell.

74 posted on 10/23/2001 12:46:38 PM PDT by tophat9000
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To: OKCSubmariner
Also it is believed Terry Nichols met with Bin Laden operatives of the Abu Sayef terror organization in the Phillipines months before the OKC bombing.

From an earlier post: Fox just reported that the Pentagon has reported finding telephone numbers connecting Tim McVeigh to the same terrorists who pulled off the 9/11 attack.

< tinfoil >

April 19, 1995.

19 hijackers on September 11, 2001,

"In the background is the Jefferson and Lincoln memorial. Each one of these is 19 feet high. Abraham Lincoln, the 16th president, Thomas Jefferson the 3rd president, and 16 and 3 makes 19 again. What is so deep about this number 19? When you have a 9, you have a womb that is pregnant, and when you have a 1 standing by the 9, it means that there's something secret that has to be unfolded." – Louis Farrakhan, during his Million Man March speech.

We appointed angels to be guardians of Hell, and we assigned their number (19) to disturb the disbelievers, to convince the Christians and Jews (that this is a divine scripture), to strengthen the faith of the faithful, to remove all traces of doubt from the hearts of Christians, Jews, as well as the believers, and to expose those who harbor doubt in their hearts, and the disbelievers; they will say, "What did GOD mean by this allegory?" GOD thus sends astray whomever He wills, and guides whomever He wills. None knows the soldiers of your Lord except He. This is a reminder for the people. - Verse 31, Sura 74

< /tinfoil >

75 posted on 10/23/2001 12:46:38 PM PDT by chinche
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To: shezza
ping...
76 posted on 10/23/2001 12:46:50 PM PDT by N8VTXNinWV
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To: Dog
What purpose would the Clinton Justice Dept have in not making this connection back then...

That is an excellent question. The immediate theory that leaps to my mind is that "official knowledge" by the Reno Justice Dept. of the Iraq connection would have required Clinton to wage war against those responsible. Possibly this would have meant bombings and assassinations of terrorists, and an invasion of Iraq proper with the ousting of Saddam Hussein.

All this would have meant the end of Clinton's peace initiatives in the Middle East, and thus the end of any chance of Bill Clinton being remembered as the Great Peacemaker that brought Arab and Jew together at the table of brotherhood.

All of this sounds laughable to you and me, but remember the arrogance of Clinton knows no bounds. Clinton wanted desperately to be remembered as the man who brought peace in our time. He was willing to go to any lengths necessary to get it. The above is only a theory, but I believe a plausible one.

77 posted on 10/23/2001 12:47:19 PM PDT by Zack Nguyen
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To: Stallone
From Mogadishu to OKC to TWA 800 to Khobar to East Africa to Egyptair 990 to WTC, OBL has been playing us like a violin for almost a decade.

We ignored or covered up many wake up calls in the past.

It's just a shame that 5,000 or so people had to lose their lives for us to realize that we have been at war for a long time already.

78 posted on 10/23/2001 12:49:07 PM PDT by GEC
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To: sendtoscott
"Bin Laden could release video of himself french-kissing McVeigh and the govt would not change its story..."

And they would have plausible deniability. What with the current technology for falsifying images. Of course, bin Laden having access to such high tech stuff in his cave in Afganistan is a bit of a stretch, but such minor details never stopped the government before.

79 posted on 10/23/2001 12:49:14 PM PDT by Aurelius
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To: OKCSubmariner
Also it is believed Terry Nichols met with Bin Laden operatives of the Abu Sayef terror organization in the Phillipines months before the OKC bombing.

Translation: the government may have to make sure that Terry Nichols gets a death penalty conviction real soon.

McVeigh seems to be doing a fine job of keeping quiet with what he knows, lately...

80 posted on 10/23/2001 12:49:39 PM PDT by CubicleGuy
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To: Cool Guy; StoneColdGOP; Illbay; dubyaismypresident; Don Joe; summer
BUMP!

Mrs Kus

81 posted on 10/23/2001 12:50:01 PM PDT by cgk
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To: TXnMA
PING!!!!!!
82 posted on 10/23/2001 12:50:44 PM PDT by Scholastic
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To: Terry Mross; Eva
Some Repub Senators and Congressmen were compromised by the fact they were told in advance in late Feb early March 1995 of a ME attack on a Federal Building in the Heartland ( Murrah building was one of the targets)in an official warning document from the director of the House Task Force on Terrorism and Uncoventional Warfare, Yousef Bodansky. The Task Force was chaired by Republican COngressman James Saxton of New Jersey who also was provided hard evidence of the ME connection to OKC by KFORTV. Saxton did nothing constructive enough with the info except cover it up.

My own Repub Senator, James Inhofe was apprised of this by me in January 1999 and his staff was apprised of it in 1996 by the former Pentagon terror advisor Jesse Clear. Inhofe did nothing constructive about it except cover it up! Inhofe sits on the Armed Services and the Intelligence Committes of the Senate.!

Clear also told the Senate Judiciary legal counsel(Kolan Davis who workes for Senator Grassley) and the Senate Intell Legal Counsel (Joan Grimson) of the ME connection to the OKC bombing and the FBI coverup of the connection. I was privy to these briefings.

Prominent Repubs and Democrats in COngress have known about the OKC ME connection for years and have covered it up.

83 posted on 10/23/2001 12:51:20 PM PDT by OKCSubmariner
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To: Dog
Clinton did not want to have to deal with the terrorist connection. He had enough trouble on his plate. When TWA 800 blew up the first thing he is reported my Stephanopolis as having said,,"God I hope this is not another terrorist situation" as they dealt with it in the WhiteHouse situation room.

He was not anxious to get involved due to the magnitude of the terrorists threats, of which he was well aware. He played footsie with Arafat, took money from Arab countries as DNC donations.

84 posted on 10/23/2001 12:51:20 PM PDT by wingnuts'nbolts
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To: OKCSubmariner
Got it. Was replying to reblebase comment, hadn't gotten to yours yet.

"Bush Senior initiated (it was his plan) bringing the Iraqis here after the Gulf War. But Clinton gave the finally approval when the original Bush decision was held up by protests from some US Senators and POW/MIA organizations and family members. I have an original story on this from the Salt Lake Tribune in May 1995 that I passed on the KFORTV during their investigation of the Irqai, Hussaini and his membership in the Iraqi Republican Guard and his being brought to OKC."

85 posted on 10/23/2001 12:52:05 PM PDT by rdavis84
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To: LSJohn
Remember we talked that McVeigh's behavior after his arrest was not consistent with a government sting operation gone awry? Well, it is consistent with this. He had a family to protect. Feeling his guilt he didn't mind dying, and fingering his Iragi handlers would have jeopardized Jennifer.
86 posted on 10/23/2001 12:52:07 PM PDT by annalex
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To: austinite
Oh you'll get used to it

I know I have

87 posted on 10/23/2001 12:52:59 PM PDT by WhiteGuy
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To: Stallone
I am realizing, I think, that we have been under terrorist attack for some 8 years now. And they have made some big scores:

WTC (1st time), OKC, TWA-800, possibly Egyptair....

and now, under a real administration with real leadership, it has happened again. Methinks dubya is going to pronounce the truth to the American people....and then get on with the business of WW111.

88 posted on 10/23/2001 12:53:30 PM PDT by Victor
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To: OKCSubmariner
Wolfowitz is Deputy Secretary of Defense, not Assistant Secretary. This sort of thing makes me wonder about the other details...like, how can a journalist who was careful about citing his source, tell some guy on the telephone who the source was?
89 posted on 10/23/2001 12:53:32 PM PDT by MLedeen
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To: OKCSubmariner
I remember that when it happened, a middleastern man was first mentioned as a possible suspect, then it seemed it was dropped in a couple of hours......
90 posted on 10/23/2001 12:54:01 PM PDT by b4its2late
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To: annalex
I"ve always thought protecting his family was Tim's reason for not squealing.
91 posted on 10/23/2001 12:55:31 PM PDT by Terry Mross
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To: OKCSubmariner
Thank God we have stubborn SOBs like you BUMP!
92 posted on 10/23/2001 12:55:53 PM PDT by the crow
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To: Zack Nguyen
There could be another reason why Bubba and Congress did nothing. Remeber that remark by Daschle on MTP a while ago, about the blackmailability of Congress critters. Well, maybe Sad-damn (love 41's pronunciation) got smart and figured out if you can't beat'em, blackmail'em. Could also explain why Janet Ashcroft is blowing off David Schippers.
93 posted on 10/23/2001 12:55:53 PM PDT by mewzilla
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To: LibertarianLiz
And, if this is actually true; I guess it puts a damper on all of the apologists for Arab terrorism who always point to McVeigh as proof that not all terrorists are Arab.

Not to mention put a real crimp in the SPLC's income for the fiscal year.

94 posted on 10/23/2001 12:56:16 PM PDT by skeeter
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To: rdavis84
Bush Senior initiated (it was his plan) bringing the Iraqis here after the Gulf War. But Clinton gave the finally approval when the original Bush decision was held up by protests from some US Senators and POW/MIA organizations and family members. I have an original story on this from the Salt Lake Tribune in May 1995 that I passed on the KFORTV during their investigation of the Irqai, Hussaini and his membership in the Iraqi Republican Guard and his being brought to OKC
95 posted on 10/23/2001 12:56:43 PM PDT by OKCSubmariner
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To: OKCSubmariner
And John Doe #2 is????
96 posted on 10/23/2001 12:57:15 PM PDT by afraidfortherepublic
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To: Dog
>>...What purpose would the Clinton Justice Dept have in not making this connection back then.....<<

Herr Klinkton seized upon this to try to blame the Republican Party, specifically the Right Wing of the Party. This done to help him in the polls, etc.

It worked.

What policital gain could be had if the Iraqi connection had been established?

97 posted on 10/23/2001 12:57:46 PM PDT by FReepaholic
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To: OKCSubmariner
Firm Ran Security at OCC Bomb Site: Thread 6
98 posted on 10/23/2001 12:58:02 PM PDT by Harrison Bergeron
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To: Victor
If that's the case and we have been under attack for 8 years, then the press kept it silent at Slick's request. Otherwise, whoever has been attacking us would have claimed responsibility sooner or later. I need to go buy some more tin foil.
99 posted on 10/23/2001 12:58:26 PM PDT by Terry Mross
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To: OKCSubmariner
Firm Ran Security at OKC Bomb Site: Thread 6
100 posted on 10/23/2001 12:59:10 PM PDT by Harrison Bergeron
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