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The Life and Death of the American Spectator
The Atlantic Monthly ^ | November, 2001 | Byron York

Posted on 10/23/2001 8:57:10 PM PDT by Luis Gonzalez

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To: Luis Gonzalez
Unfortunatly, anything that goes near Mena gets destroyed. My guess is that these foundations backing TAS backed out when Mena was hit. The Spectator is backed by Republicans, and Mena involved everybody.
81 posted on 10/24/2001 3:43:01 PM PDT by Dan from Michigan
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To: Luis Gonzalez
Thanks for the "funeral" ping Luis.

I enjoyed the The American Spectator for years and will miss it. I knew they were on their last leg when they closed their personal website some months back now.

It's a sad day and a significant blow to the political voice of conservatism in America.

82 posted on 10/24/2001 3:48:00 PM PDT by Reagan Man
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To: Reagan Man
I knew they were on their last leg when they closed their personal website some months back now. I first noticed that when the IMDB links to James Bovard's movie reviews broke. I didn't always agree with Bovard ( I guess I am an "easier" critic than him) but he was always eloquent and thought-provoking.

A lot of bookmarks I had to TAS articles won't work anymore either (including a really dandy one about Gene Lyons).

*Sigh* Don't know why I keep coming back to this thread. It sure is depressing.

Anybody want to form a support group?

83 posted on 10/24/2001 4:00:12 PM PDT by murdoog
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To: LurkerNoMore!
I think what really killed TAS was the internet.....Conservatives own the medium....look at FR....A biweekly, or monthly magazine...is outdated by the time you receive it.....even the three newsweeklies today are irrelevant.......nope, I just think it's a victim of technology
84 posted on 10/24/2001 4:05:32 PM PDT by ken5050
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To: Luis Gonzalez
RIP. I cancelled when I found it to be in the NeoCon camp on most issues. Some of their best writers have been gone for some time. More is the pity. Regards.
85 posted on 10/24/2001 4:15:46 PM PDT by The Irishman
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To: ken5050
I loved American Spectator!!! I will sorely miss it!! I have been wondering what was going on with it...every time I went to Barnes and Noble, they kept moving the mag to different parts of the mag stand...really made me mad....figured they were trying to eliminate conservative opinion....

Hopefully, another great conservative mag will come along...conservatives refuse to stay down!!!

86 posted on 10/24/2001 4:16:44 PM PDT by Alkhin
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To: The Irishman
I'll really, really miss the Ben Stein feature each month. As it turns out, that is why I have continued to subscribe.

Bill

87 posted on 10/24/2001 4:18:09 PM PDT by njmaugbill
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To: Luis Gonzalez
My 4th year on the FR!

What could have been a total nightmare--eight year reign of terror/tyranny--the liberal coup d et flap---turned out to be a lot fun--thrills--sorrows--joys--bump/crashes on the infoage rideway--shoot out. The best was Rush...especially the television show and his newsletter.

Long live the FR!!

88 posted on 10/24/2001 4:45:25 PM PDT by f.Christian
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To: murdoog
It sure is depressing.

I feel your pain. ;^)

Anybody want to form a support group?

You can still visit Emmett Tyrell and friends right here. For as long as it lasts.

89 posted on 10/24/2001 4:45:42 PM PDT by Reagan Man
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To: Luis Gonzalez
I sure hate to see them go. I loved the magazine. I always read it.
90 posted on 10/24/2001 5:01:30 PM PDT by freekitty
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To: LurkerNoMore!; Deb
After further thought, I just had to ventilate my spleen a little more.

I noticed that Byron York is now 'free lancing'(?) for Altantic Monthly. Not exactly a step to the right. But hey Byron, I understand. You gotta pay the bills, man. I mean, if your editor over at AM calls you up and tells you to drive a spike into the head of a former competitor (even if the same used to employ you and praised you to his readership), then you gotta do what you gotta do. Hell, you may even get to unleash a few petty jealousies while you take up the grudge that AM has had against them for years. If that's the case, then congratulaions, Byron, you'll make a fine whore. Forget all that do-goody-good crap about integrity and loyalty---the business of investigative journalism ain't no Sunday School class, pal.

But who knows? Maybe Byron IS undergoing a Brockian transformation. I seem to remeber when David Brick, er, I mean , uh, Brock (sorry for the Freudian slip, but his career has fallen like one) made his reverse metamorphosis from conservative butterfly to sh*t-eating left-wing maggot, he immediately became the darling of the liberal media establishment (as well as of the POTUS himself), suddenly worthy of their attention. Now he's barely a blip on the radar screen; but after they tire of buggering him for their purposes, D.B. will probably slither back into obscurity, or flip-flop back to being a conservative again (*sigh*). I HOPE B.Y. doesn't go that route.

91 posted on 10/24/2001 5:06:49 PM PDT by flushed with pride
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To: Luis Gonzalez
Bump-a-ruunie!!!!!

As most here, I tend to flit around the different threads.......I've lingered here for the last 45 minutes.

Yes, this was a Byron York 'kiss-and-tell'.....but the story needed to be told. My subscription ran out 2 months ago.

I've still got all my old copies which will be wrapped and sealed, then lovingly placed in an attic box with a tear in my eye.

92 posted on 10/24/2001 5:29:19 PM PDT by DoctorMichael
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To: LurkerNoMore!
No, you're not wrong about BY. He was very good at TAS and he does a very fine job at National Review now too.Many of the board members began dropping off after '96, like PJ O'Rourke, Novak, Wolfe, Worsthorne, Paul Johnson...it was very alarming, indicating something was afoot.And then the articles began to get more shrill and one-note.
93 posted on 10/24/2001 5:44:36 PM PDT by habs4ever
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To: flushed with pride
I didn't originally post on this thread to be a Byron York defender, but seriously, besides this detour in the AM, can you point me to any other example of York's 'whoring'?

(I am no fan of the Atlantic Monthly, but I believe Byron York is a huge asset to his full-time gig at the National Review)

94 posted on 10/24/2001 5:57:31 PM PDT by LurkerNoMore!
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To: Luis Gonzalez
Long-time TAS subscriber. What a treat each month..........................that gradually became less and less a treat than "tedium". Tyrell is the "soul" of that pub, and without him at the helm, it's a goner. Damned shame, that. Damned shame.........
95 posted on 10/24/2001 6:02:14 PM PDT by RightOnline
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To: LurkerNoMore!
I know you didn't. Please don't think that I am personally attacking you. Your comments are more than welcome and I'm not being sarcastic about that.

I really feel that any personal animosity existing between RET and BY probably stems from what I observed to be a diminished work output on BY's behalf at TAS in its final 18 months or so. Maybe it was just me, but did anyone else notice that York was being featured less and less in that time period? A far cry from his own 'glory days' at the mag when he was churning out investigative reports with great regularity. Perhaps he and Tyrrell had a parting of ways, so to speak. I could be wrong, but it sure seemed that there was an underlying subtext in BY's article that seemed to say, 'SCREW YOU, BOB!'. Paybacks can be a b*tch, and I think York handed Tyrrell a heaping hepling of it.

96 posted on 10/24/2001 6:29:55 PM PDT by flushed with pride
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To: Luis Gonzalez
"The American Spectator"; November 1996:

David Brock: "Hillary, Health-Care Marxist" (Before Brock gave up whatever self-respect he imagined he had.)

Byron York "White House Druggies" (Yes, Byron was there. . .)

"Hillary, the CIA & the Iraq Cover-up" (Hillary and CIA arms smuggling)

and on Clinton. . .

"FEELING HIS PAIN" (and sickenly, we must still feel his): 'You Won't Believe What He Plans to Do With Your Money Now'

Who will go there?

. . .oh, a small worth noting one-liner - "Tupac's Dead!"

Yes, add my voice to those who say a sad good-by to TAS. . .

"They threw away dozens of bound volumes". . .that really hurts. . .

98 posted on 10/24/2001 6:54:21 PM PDT by cricket
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To: Luis Gonzalez
Thank you for the great comments, I've been reading with interest and find your reactions touching, it is like losing an old friend.

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American Spectator died a hero.

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A fond farewell from another longtime subscriber and fan.What a shame and sad article to read.

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It is the end of an era.

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This is one of the saddest articles I have ever read on FR. I have been reading TAS since the 80's...

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Tyrrell won my heart forever when he was interviewed in another magazine and said that Bill Clinton had the sex drive of a monkey in a zoo. I hope he can resurrect the old Spectator in some form...In the meantime I have my old issues, and my memories.

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The truth is, everything and everybody, good or bad, that came into contact with Bill and Hillary Clinton were destroyed. But the Clintons didn't win this one, Bob, you did. Don't forget that...wherever you are. Because of you people know the truth about the Scum From Hope and forever the first sentence in all the history books will read:

Clinton, William Jefferson Blythe: Impeached 42nd President of the United States.

You rule!!!

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The American Spectator was without a doubt the most entertaining conservative publication of the 90s. It had a great run, and I'm sorry to see the end of an era.

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It's a sad day and a significant blow to the political voice of conservatism in America.

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I've still got all my old copies which will be wrapped and sealed, then lovingly placed in an attic box with a tear in my eye.

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Damned shame, that. Damned shame.........

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"They threw away dozens of bound volumes". . .that really hurts. . .

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99 posted on 10/24/2001 7:27:20 PM PDT by Luis Gonzalez
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To: The Shrew
Here's a special **ping** just for you.
100 posted on 10/24/2001 7:34:57 PM PDT by Luis Gonzalez
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