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Safire: Bush's Mideast Charade
The New York Times ^
| 10/25/2001
| WILLIAM SAFIRE
Posted on 10/24/2001 9:03:28 PM PDT by Pokey78
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posted on
10/24/2001 9:03:28 PM PDT
by
Pokey78
To: Pokey78; JohnHuang2
bump
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posted on
10/24/2001 9:09:51 PM PDT
by
ambrose
To: Pokey78
I agree 100%, just Global politics at it's best, or worst. Depends how you look at it.
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posted on
10/24/2001 9:12:08 PM PDT
by
MJY1288
To: Pokey78
****All this diplomacy by deflection is too clever by three-quarters. Just as corrupt Arab potentates try to protect themselves from the fury of their downtrodden subjects by fanning hatred of the U.S. and the West, we are trying, through our charade of selective antiterrorism, to deflect that hatred over to Israel exclusively. (Don't blame us, it goes see how we're pressuring the Jews on your behalf?)****
How can so many freepers not wonder at the Bush administration when it acts this way? It is just so gutless.
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posted on
10/24/2001 9:13:34 PM PDT
by
mercy
To: Pokey78
Piss on the Coalition!
The coalition prevented the US from taking out Saddam in '90
The Coalition prevented Israel from retaliation on Iraq when Saddam launched scuds into Israel
The coalition will not feed and protect me an my kids!
Go Israel and help us stop this nonsense! Israel alone could take out Saddam, the Iraqis, Syrians, Iranians and in less than one month!
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posted on
10/24/2001 9:13:57 PM PDT
by
Kay Soze
To: mercy
I wonder all the time.
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posted on
10/24/2001 9:19:52 PM PDT
by
L`enn
To: mercy
Powell/Rummy; good cop/bad cop, depending on the audience
a smart strategy
To: Pokey78
this is simple, everyone can say whatever they want israel doesn't act militarily without our blessing, they are working up one side of the terrorism list and we are working down the other, israel won't withdraw until they are sufficiently satisfied that they have made their statement, and bush is telling these guys behind closed doors to go get them. terrorists as an organized group are finished, the shroud of them being other than special forces funded and trained by foriegn governments has been lifted and countries engaging in terrorist tactics are being singled out one by one. iran has moved out of palestine, syria and egypt will be out before israel withdraws, or they will be killed. it is their right to protect themselves against attacks from foriegn governments
To: Kennard
I don't think it's smart at all. I think it looks weak and equivocal. I think it IS weak and equivocal. I think Bush does not have control of his State Dept. and he needs to kick some ass, long and hard.
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posted on
10/24/2001 9:31:28 PM PDT
by
mercy
To: mercy
bump
To: mercy; Kennard
You really don't understand this President at all. Pres Bush has complete control of the situation. The poster that put up good cop/bad cop is right on the money IMO! Only way to keep everything together and the Israeli's know it! Just the same way Sharon is offering a deal to Arafat -- one he can't refuse but one Arafat won't be able to keep! Then Sharon gets free reign to go in and wipe out the terrorists.
To: mercy
words, lol. actions are the only thing that matters now. we can tell anyone to do anything in public, but we are giving them 2 billion/year in military aid. this is our way of giving the finger to all muslim states that are doing the same to us. looks don't mean sh#t, again action is the key. this is classic, no, no, yes, yes.
To: PhiKapMom
**** Pres Bush has complete control of the situation. ****
I was on one of my last few nerves when the news hit the other day that Syrians were coming into DFW to attend flight school. Though I support President Bush I am in great disagreement with him at this time.
I wholly fail to see the wisdom of not deporting ME visitors, let alone allowing Terrorist states like Syria to send more possible terrs into our country. This to me is madness.
I also don't want to hear any more of this 'Islam is a religion of peace' crap. We are not in Kansas any more Dorothy. President Bush is acting like just another pol in a long long line of pols who have lead us down the garden path. Deport Now!
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posted on
10/24/2001 9:48:52 PM PDT
by
mercy
To: mercy
I don't think it's smart at all. I think it looks weak and equivocal. I think it IS weak and equivocal. I think Bush does not have control of his State Dept. and he needs to kick some ass, long and hard.
I think you are correct in the first part but wrong on the second. Like Safire states, Bush is knee-deep in the deception too. Also like Safire states, it's all for the coalition and image.
All of this is typical government-speak. Like Bush getting up and saying in front of the whole world that the CDC acted promptly and swiftly...yada yada, when two postal workers up and died over the weekend while congress critters were full of Cipro and in their Maine cabins.
Was a time when we all nodded and winked at this sort of thing but the time is not now. Every other week they're putting out serious alerts, lying about Israel, saying one thing and doing another. Goodness knows the Clinton administration made spinning into a major art form.
But the American public is sick of this especially at this time. Everyone ought to take a page from Dick Cheney and tell the truth.
We can handle it.
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posted on
10/24/2001 10:00:18 PM PDT
by
Pat Fish
To: Kennard
I agree with your assessment - 100%. It's a clever little game and only we know it's a game!!
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posted on
10/24/2001 10:19:28 PM PDT
by
Sueann
To: mercy
The truth is we know little of what is really going on. I'm going to give Bush the benefit of the doubt until a significant aspect of the war turns into a major blunder.
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posted on
10/25/2001 1:15:38 AM PDT
by
DB
To: DB
Well, if you trust the ruling elite to tell us the truth, I have some nice lake front property for you to buy in Death Valley. Note: If their lips are moving they are lying.
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posted on
10/25/2001 1:35:02 AM PDT
by
TaZ
To: TaZ
I have some bad news for you...
You don't know the details of what is going on and neither do I... No matter how much either us want to find out we can't. The information is hidden from us. Therefore we have no choice but to accept what they say to a major degree. If as time goes on the truth comes out and is substantially different than what they claimed we have the obligation to hold those who lied to us accountable. We have no other choice.
You can't conduct a war with our intelligence, troop movements and strategies out in the open. Not unless of course you want us to lose and die
Trusting your elected representative with the tough choices is one of the basic foundations of our Republic. If you have a better idea, spill the beans
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posted on
10/25/2001 1:50:40 AM PDT
by
DB
To: mercy
How can so many freepers not wonder at the Bush administration when it acts this way? It is just so gutless.bump
The same goes for conservative pundits (Brit Hume, Fox News, John Podhoretz- I'm looking in your direction).
You know, Safire takes a lot of criticism (to use a nice word) for being too "wishy-washy". Yet he has been FAR more willing to dish out authentic, conservative criticism of the Administration's (Powell in particular) middle-East policy than most other conservative columnists. I especially like when Safire says, "At the same time, columnists of my ilk are sent word that Powell's ostensible tilt toward Arafat to the contrary the president's hawkish heart is still in the right place." In other words, "You guys are a bunch of suck-ups." I wonder which columnists he was referring to specifically.
To: veronica
FYI
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posted on
10/25/2001 4:39:35 AM PDT
by
vrwc54
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