Posted on 10/25/2001 11:12:01 AM PDT by Fred25
NEW PRODUCT KILLS ANTHRAX
QUOTE FROM SANDIA LAB (US DEPT. OF ENERGY) PRESS RELEASE....
"It has performed superbly for all the agents we have tested it against," Tadros says.
More tests planned for April will pit the foam against real anthrax and other bacterial spores.
"If you can kill spores, you can kill germinating bacteria and you can deactivate viruses," says foam co-developer Mark Tucker of Sandia. "Spores are the most difficult."
The foam -- a cocktail of ordinary substances found in common household products -- neutralizes chemical agents in much the same way a detergent lifts away an oily spot from a stained shirt. Its surfactants (like those in hair conditioner) and mild oxidizing substances (like those in toothpaste) begin to chemically digest the chemical agent, seeking out the phosphate or sulfide bonds holding the molecules together and chopping the molecules into nontoxic pieces.
ANTI-ANTHRAX FOAM – MODEC, INC.
ANTI-ANTHRAX FOAM – MODEC, INC.
ANTI-ANTHRAX FOAM – MODEC, INC.
ENVIRO-FOAM (CLICK ON “DECON”)
ENVIRO-FOAM PERSONAL SPRAY UNIT
PIDS
The PIDS (Personal Incident Decontamination Sprayer) is a ready-to-use decon application sprayer designed for individual use by one or two people in emergency response situations.
The PIDS application sprayer draws EasyDECON 50/50 components from dual 11-oz. polyethylene bottles. Ideal for use in close quarters such as medevac helicopters, ambulances, laboratories, and in any other emergency situation where personal decontamination is needed quickly with minimal disruption of operations.
I just STARTED the gloves today. Somehow the thought of washing anthrax spores down my drain was too unpleasant.
My idea is that if the public complains about this, all of a sudden the commercial price might go down and the product should become more available.
If the main ingredient for anthrax disinfecting is simply hydrogen peroxide 3%, I sure as heck would like to know it. I’m not interested in the mustard-gas foam part of the formula right now.
If people who work at my local post office start getting sick, I want to know what to spray my mail with. If it’s just hydrogen peroxide, the whole country needs to know that information right now. We needed to know it 3 weeks ago.
Olive oil and whipped cream? Makes for one heck of a party - but kill spores? I dunno...
Geez, the next time you throw a party let me know......
I must really lead a boring life!
NeverGore :^)
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After calling around today, talking to a distributor for the Sandia product, and reading some websites, I came up with this.... the main anthrax killing ingredient in the Sandia formula is hydrogen peroxide (mouthwash). The distributor confirmed this in a phone call. A Defense Journal article said that 3% hydrogen peroxide is fine. That’s the strength of regular commercial mouthwash.
Tomorrow I’ll research other websites to confirm the 3% strength. This stuff is available in every drug store and Wal-Mart. I’m going to pick up some empty spray bottles such as the kind that is used to mist house plant leaves.
All the other stuff in the Sandia formula is for other bio-chemical warfare agents, such as mustard gas. The Sandia formula is for many things in addition to anthrax, including smallpox.
The hydrogen peroxide is for cleaning up, spraying mail and stuff around your house and office. It won’t kill the anthrax after you’ve already inhaled it. What I was looking for was something to spray on my mail and other things that might get contaminated around my house and car. I think the oregano oil is probably too expensive per oz.
He's got a plethora of compounds made from everyday household chemicals and compounds that are used to kill various garden and lawn pests - both insect and vegetable ...
(Hint: Do a web search on same!)
The other chemicals in the product are used to kill or suppress other bio-terror agents.
According to this website.......
.....hydrogen peroxide, 3%, (common household mouthwash) will kill anthrax spores, as long as you don’t inhale them first (on that page, see the chemical chart at the bottom of the page).
There seems to be no evidence or even hint that anthrax is going to be a problem for the general population. Even if it _were_ released over a wide area, it doesn't cause the kind of devastation a real enemy would want. Devoting too much attention to anthrax may distract us from more important issues.
For instance.
Bin Laden has made of point of being passionate about Muslim history. After the 911 attack, he said, "Let the whole world know that we shall never accept that the tragedy of Andalusia be repeated in Palestine," referring to the medieval Christian reconquest of Spain from Muslims. Another aspect of Muslim history is:
The most important event in Islam, after the birth of Mohammed, is the defeat of the Infidel armies invading Mecca -- by smallpox!
569/570 One of the earliest recorded epidemics of smallpox struck Arabia and forced the Christian Abyssinian army to retreat, thus ending their rule there. This was known as the Elephant War epidemic, for the white elephant on which the Christian prince Abraha rode into Mecca before his defeat. According to historians, Abraha did not complete his goal of destroying the Kaaba in Mecca because of the smallpox that broke out among his soldiers. He was forced to return to Yemen, where he died of smallpox as well. Islamic tradition holds that Abraha did reach the city of Mecca but his elephant Abraha started to enter the city throu the gate when his elephant, "Mahmoud the Praise worthy," refused to enter the city, when it saw the kabba. In fact the elephant knelt down in reverence to Allah. Soon after Allah sent birds who proceeded to shower the Abyssinians (Ethiopians) with stones. The Abyssinians were driven back as they were pelted to death by the birds and Mecca was saved from the rath of Abraha Habashi. This legend is so imporatant to Islam it is accorded a chapter in the Muslim holy book the Quran and the chapter is named "Sura AlFil" or "the Elephant" after the elephant of Abraha."Do you not know how God treated the conductors of the elephants? Did he not turn their own perfidy against them? He sent myriads of birds soaring over their heads Who threw down upon them stones graven with the celestial vengeance, The infidels were cut down like corn by the reapers."(This legend is flagged on a strange but thoughtful Christian site, Andromeda Strain - Plague of Allah?)
I believe this anthrax business is some kind of distraction or feint. If bin Laden is behind this biological attack (and it's not some kind of domestic civil war camouflaged as a bin Laden response) then I think the real danger is going to be from smallpox or something similar.
Mark W.
LOL! Thanks for your expert opinion. Say, you could get a job for the feds as a spokesman.
Devoting too much attention to anthrax may distract us from more important issues.
Tell that to the family members of the postal workers who have died, and to the ones who are sick now.
The most important event in Islam, after the birth of Mohammed, is the defeat of the Infidel armies invading Mecca -- by smallpox!
Ok, do us a favor, you go out and find us a disinfectant for small pox, Ok? In two days of research, I’ve found a disinfectant for anthrax. You let us know when you’ve found one for small pox.
then I think the real danger is going to be from smallpox or something similar.
The real danger is going to be from everything any terrorist, foreign or domestic, throws at us. What I think we at FR need to do is find ways to stop, disinfect, thwart, defeat, and defend against any and all threats.
I can guess “what if” too..... plague, small pox, radiation, atomic bombs, etc. Any of us can do that. Now go out and find us some cures, disinfectants, defenses, and treatments for all the possibilities.
Ouch!
What the hell, F25, you pinged me for this thread, and then when I take the time to put up a couple of posts, you get snarky.
I know we've all got a short fuse these days, but there's no return in going off on people you ping. If you think my head's up my ass, just don't ping me.
Mark W.
Snarky!? Me, snarky!? I thought it was you who was being snarky. If I was snarky, I apologize.
Ditto -- I'm sorry if I came off sounding weird. No offense meant, none taken.
Mark W.
By the way, hydrogen peroxide acts as a good tranquilizer. I spray it on my mail and I feel more tranquil.
I went out today and bought a little air-pump hand sprayer from Home Depot, and 4 large bottles of 3% hydrogen peroxide from Safeway. I am ready!
Funny, that's what my girlfriend says when she gets mad at me for not reading her mind.
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